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Warrior Mom's avatar

excellent run-down, Dr Nass, thank you. I will be able to read it in more detail tomorrow but wanted to make a comment now.

as someone who has been on & off the SNAP benefits for the past 20 yrs (3 kids, one w/ autism; 1st husband disabled, 2nd a 'deadbeat' dad), I have often remarked that I could spend it all on junk but not buy a bag of cough drops or protein powder (& certainly not vitamins!) Soda, candy, chips and frozen pizza are technically 'food'; nutritional supplements are not. okay, I get it. I totally agree with putting restrictions on what the benefits can purchase but will it 'solve' the problem? not really. not entirely. its a start in a 'blunt instrument' sort of way.

here are issues that need addressed: Access and Education. low income people can also be undereducated as well (not always, but a majority I assume). many simply don't know how to prepare food and eat healthy. hard to believe but it IS true. (and sorry, the bullshit 'food pyramid' and other outdated advice, is NOT helpful.) then there's access. true you can buy produce at any grocery store but is it quality? how far was it shipped? what condition is it in? for many people, organic is out of their budget (even with SNAP, I do manage to buy some organic but have to prioritize; certainly can't buy ALL organic). I would LOVE to use SNAP at markets that sell locally grown produce however most are too small scale to jump through the hoops & expense to get the electronic card readers etc.

(have more to say tomorrow)

SomeDude's avatar

certain stores (looking at you, Kroger) block purchase of dried teas under SNAP though they're more than happy to accept it for soda.

insult to injury, they code dry chai tea as ineligible in their register system, but the sweetened flavored liquid chai tea concentrate is eligible for SNAP.

just one other example of the stupidity

Warrior Mom's avatar

that's interesting. never run across that one; have seen a few other 'head scratchers'. I'm not sure that the store itself is in control of the coding but I could be wrong. I know that Amazon will accept SNAP for certain things; if you've ever entered a SNAP card as a payment options, it will come up 'eligible'. gourmet instant coffees, yes. coconut oil-based coffee creamer, no. (I only did that once to find some organic canned pumpkin during the Convid times but now the 'eligible' thing comes up on the rare occasion I look at foodstuffs on there.)

SomeDude's avatar

Here in this town, kroger-owned Gerbes is the only store that denies dried teas on SNAP. I asked them why and they said it was coded into their billing system somewhere upstream.

Warrior Mom's avatar

how annoying :( I know I have purchased plain black tea, in tea bags, for my father. and organic green tea (for my son with autism; I'm not a tea drinker). at Walmart, I believe (which actually carries lots of organic/clean options these days).

SomeDude's avatar

it's been years since I used SNAP. but there are several other megacorporate "food" retailers in town where I was able to get tea without spending regular fiat currency instead of the electronic fiat SNAP.

Wally world is my absolute last choice for buying anything, especially food, though. watched them screw up the economies of several small towns in southern Missouri as a youngster in the 1980s and I prefer to avoid supporting the larger corporate monster they've become since. I also do not trust their food content to match the labels, and USDA "organic" is a rather pathetic certification which allows certain pesticides, herbicides, and even limited percentages per volume of GMOs without any labeling.

the list of products I can tolerate purchasing at corporate "food" repositories gets smaller every year, with the increase in GMO content and synthetic sweeteners.

Warrior Mom's avatar

I certainly don't disagree. I go there once every couple of months, for certain things and am surprised by some of the things they carry, like Primal Kitchen mayo ($$$ its a splurge)

the organic label is certainly not perfect, I'm sure its been co-opted. but its better than 'you know for sure its conventional' choices. I shop/cook for 5, including my son with autism and my elderly parents so its all about prioritizing for me.

ABIGAIL REPORTS's avatar

Important things like Laundry Soap, Body Soap, hand sanitizer, TP, or Kleenex are needed but excluded. We didn't have them when I was raising 3 boys. I worked, waited tables, finally found a factory job at $3.50 a hr. Took 7 years to make it to $5. I learned to cook in HS. And from my mom. You can buy ingredients to make cookies and there are more than 12 in a pack. 4 ingredient Peanut Butter Cookies https://kirbiecravings.com/4-ingredient-peanut-butter-cloud-cookies/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJsk5VleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHvRGkH60iPNtAEwQAvlE_1GiOB0kWbPHLEFOQDyvf_sU7FYC4PmzYYTs8GIf_aem_Fwu4iNfr5xGvqdIvhwxZMg

Warrior Mom's avatar

I LOVE to bake! that way I know what's in it! thanks for the recipe! I will definitely check it out! PB cookies are my mom's favs. ;)

Bryan donahue's avatar

We should make certain foods available cheaply, or free, to certain people in need. Fresh produce. Government cheese. You get the idea. Healthful foods.

Dave Scrimshaw's avatar

Wondering if you ever tried gov. cheese before? And of course the fruit that has been sprayed with Apeel, Organipeel and Edipeel.

SomeDude's avatar

I remember the generic government CHEESE, black block letter print on white packages. way back before the Man switched from providing the desperation commodities to having private industry paid by food stamps.

I actually kinda miss the black and white packaging for some reason.

the generic cheez slab was basically Velveeta. hard to even call it cheese.

ABIGAIL REPORTS's avatar

There is a Mountian of Cheese in America, so why not use it?

Cheese Caves and Food Surpluses: Why the U.S. Government currently stores 1.4 billion lbs of cheese

“Cheese Cave” in Springfield, Missouri Photo Credit:

Brown Political Review

Hundreds of feet below the ground in Missouri, there are hundreds of thousands of pounds of American cheese. Deep in converted limestone mines, caves kept...

https://www.farmlinkproject.org/stories-and-features/cheese-caves-and-food-surpluses-why-the-u-s-government-currently-stores-1-4-billion-lbs-of-cheese

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We had Peanut Butter, 20 qt dry milk, canned fruits/veggies. A voucher for hygiene stuff at a mom/pop store.

Bryan donahue's avatar

As my mother would say, “beggars can’t be choosers,”

Steve  Mitzner's avatar

Democrats' "Free Stuff" was the fall of this nation! Evil LBJ said it will promote [sic] "Ni&#s voting Democrat for 200 years! Besides breaking up the once strong black, church & home life style, for "welfair" style sluming!

Dave's avatar

I've always found that including garbage consumables as part of any food support program ridiculous. Why is it that all the dumb-ass programs originate in the Fed? DEI hires before there was a DEI? May as well add cigarettes and Meth to the list of acceptable SNAP items.

They need to take all the crap food and pharma ads completely off TV then off the shelves.

Dave Scrimshaw's avatar

It's not the stupidity of the programs but rather their evil intent.

Steve  Mitzner's avatar

Before evil government started playing god, [around the world] people's churches helped the needy, as part of the Christian religion!

Dave Scrimshaw's avatar

Up until the mid 1980's, the churches I pastored, although small, did help people as best we could. BUT - attendance began to wane and the churches could not do much of anything. Since COVID, the small churches are closing. In addition the young pastors today don't want to sacrifice anything (in my years of service I was usually bi-vocational or served without pay). Many Bible Schools are closing and seminary enrollments are WAY down. Luke 18:8 I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find the faith on the earth?"

SomeDude's avatar

my first year of college, fall '91, the school's cafeteria didn't serve food on sunday after breakfast.

I was running on nothing but financial aid, no vehicle either. stuck in the dorms.

the Newman Club actively sought me out (irreligious, non participatory me) and let me know that /they/ served sandwiches on Sunday evenings. took me about three weeks to get really tired of not eating on Sunday unless I got up early enough for the breakfast meal the school did actually serve.

I figured it was polite to sit through their meetings and church service if I was going to leech off their food supply. The other club members also provided me a well-regulated source of alcohol during the two times I braved their party outings. I eventually helped them with building a parade float out of a feeling of obligation.

their priest, when I asked how it was paid for, said he had community connections which donated lunchmeat, bread, and condiments.

one of my two best experiences with a religious group. the other was the Hari Krishnas at the '91 national rainbow gathering the summer before school. they also gave out free food (some of the tastiest at the gathering.) there my obligation had me washing some of the greasiest industrial-sized cooking dishes I've ever seen.

it definitely doesn't have to be government helping with feeding people, and I agree that religious groups pick up a lot of that slack.

Steve  Mitzner's avatar

@Some: Did you know the Krishna’s worship the devil? If you do not worship Jesus Christ, who is truly real, then whom do you worship? An idol? Inter peace? There is only one way to God’s eternal peace, and it's only through Jesus Christ our lord! [Fact!] Don’t default to Satan’s Hell! Jesus died for you; what did Satan do for you?

SomeDude's avatar

your mistaken assumption that I worship any religious figures or deities is far off the mark.

do I care what happens to the Hari Krishnas once they shuffle off this mortal coil? not at all, no more than I care for what happens post-mortem to Baptists/Protestants/Presbyterians/Catholics/Mormons/Jehovah's Witnesses/Scientologists/The$cience™ believers...

I'll worry about how they comport themselves during this physical manifestation instead of their religious beliefs.

and as far as religious threats of post-mortem punishment for disbelief in their particular theocratic structures, y'all don't scare me, so you'd best spend your time proselytizing someone else more susceptible to Fear Porn.

Steve  Mitzner's avatar

What's weird TV ads have to tell the snake oil can harm & kill you, where as media & your quack MD will pimp you, "It's all Safe & effective." I.e., one of them is wrong!

Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

I don't understand why they can't address the root causes of obesity and explain it to the American

public. After WWII Americans per capita consumed on average about 55 pounds of cane sugar per year. Few adults were obese! Fast forward to today and it is above 150 pounds per year of sweetener and a great portion of the additional sweetener is LIQUID CORN SYRUP which is in all the non-diet pop that is consumed in the USA. The consumption rate is about 200 Liters per year per capita. That is the basic issue. I don't drink a six pack per year! I know better! Coca Cola and all the other pop companies are surely lining up to stop the effort to reduce the obesity rate which is about 40% of the population.

Steve  Mitzner's avatar

High Fructose... equals High Death Count! So live with it!

Dave Scrimshaw's avatar

Live...with death - an oxymoron.

Freedomisnotfree's avatar

This is all a BS distraction for the real murder going on!!! And murderers getting away with it.

Everyone pls stop falling for it. They are laughing their asses off.

🙏 for the children and stop poisoning them on schedules

Steve  Mitzner's avatar

Understand that Godless Pharma's iatrogenic "medicine" is the leading cause of Death, killing more than 2191 a day, or 800,000 a year, or 40 million in the last 50 years! If you can believe Dr. Null's well-cited book, Death by Medicine. but who wants to think that?

Freedomisnotfree's avatar

So good you are all taking a bit of candy from the children while 9 million of them have been injected with a lethal deadly poison. Read below for the specific poisons being forcibly, abusively and illegally injected into the poor innocent children. Give them a Lollypop afterwards please! It makes everyone feel better! 🤮🤑$$$

https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/p/all-vaccines-will-kill-you-and-fda?r=bo73h&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false

Rob D's avatar

Good point. I've been screaming this as well. People aren't mandated to eat certain foods to participate in society, but our children are mandated to have poisons shot into their bodies. It's backwards and upside down. Parents (and the government) should be much more concerned with taking away 72 shots from their children. Sugar is a nightmare, but we can reverse the effects of that... the crap that is shot into our bodies stays with us until we die.

Freedomisnotfree's avatar

Remember " mandate " means nothing. It is not Law. There are ALWAYS Exemptions at every Health Department and there are ALWAYS CHOICES NOT TO DO IT. It is Federal Law not to participate Neuremberg Code. If anyone thinks they dont have a choice, they have the inability to think. Remember this is Culling of the heard. Always look for solutions/escapes from Tyranny. Yes, they love to make it uncomfortable and inconvenient for people. Just smile and know that you are chosing a longer healther life and choosing NOT to play Russian Roulette with Satan and his lieutenants.

Steve  Mitzner's avatar

Just look how much that jab-induced immune damage will promote Dr. visits & drug sales profits! Remember, it's ALL about the money, not health, Satan forbid!

Freedomisnotfree's avatar

Thanks Steve. I’d like to meet you. It appears we are an anomaly and the minority on this.

Steve  Mitzner's avatar

Are you considering Meryl,s CHAOS?

Dave Scrimshaw's avatar

I'm sure that Hershey & Coca-Cola will back this up 1000%.

Hazel's avatar

It used to be vouchers that listed specific items.

Hazel's avatar

I am thinking back to early-mid 70’s Detroit suburb area. I remember people using some type of food stamp at the grocery store register that listed specific items. Dozen eggs, bread, peanut butter etc. could it be WIC?

Meryl Nass's avatar

Yes, WIC has different rules

Warrior Mom's avatar

SNAP (formally food stamps) never was a voucher system. (at least not in the 40 yrs that I have been familiar with it). WIC is a voucher-based system with specific foods allowed. and it actually has greatly improved over the years. locally, we used to have a voucher system for seniors to buy produce at farm markets; that was nice but only the bigger markets were authorized to accept them.

ABIGAIL REPORTS's avatar

Why This Pineapple Loaf Cake Works So Well

This isn’t your average quick bread. It’s more tender than banana bread, brighter than a traditional pound cake, and the kind of dessert that tastes like a vacation in every bite. Here’s what makes it so good:

Crushed pineapple keeps it moist: No dry crumb here—just soft, fluffy texture that stays fresh for days.

One bowl = minimal mess: Mix it up, pour it in, and bake.

Naturally sweet and vibrant: The pineapple shines without being too sugary.

Perfect for glazing or eating plain: It’s a chameleon of a cake.

Great for gifting or slicing and freezing: Because once people try it, they’ll want the recipe.

Ingredients You’ll Need

(Serves 8–10 | Prep Time: 10 minutes | Bake Time: 55–60 minutes)

1½ cups all-purpose flour

1 teaspoon baking soda

¼ teaspoon salt

2 large eggs

½ cup vegetable oil

¾ cup granulated sugar

1 teaspoon vanilla extract

1 cup crushed pineapple (with juice, not drained)

Optional glaze: ½ cup powdered sugar + 1 tablespoon pineapple juice

preheat the oven to 350°F and grease a 9x5-inch loaf pan, then line it with parchment paper for easy removal. A quick spritz of nonstick spray over the parchment helps the cake slide right out later.

2. Mix the Wet Ingredients

In a large bowl, I whisk together the eggs, oil, sugar, and vanilla until smooth. Then I stir in the crushed pineapple with its juice. That juice is where all the magic (and moisture) happens.

3. Add the Dry Ingredients

I sprinkle the flour, baking soda, and salt right into the bowl and stir gently until just combined. The batter will be thick but pourable, with visible pineapple bits throughout.

4. Pour and Bake

I pour the batter into the prepared pan and smooth the top. Then into the oven it goes for 55–60 minutes, or until a toothpick inserted in the center comes out clean. If the top starts to brown too quickly, I loosely tent it with foil around the 45-minute mark.

5. Cool and Glaze (If You Want)

▢2 cups powdered sugar

▢3-4 tablespoons whole milk

▢1 teaspoon clear vanilla extract, or almond extract

Sherri's avatar

Yes there's been lots of bashing these days, and things to make us question what Kennedy is doing, which is all more than likely funded by those that are threatened. I believe there's a game plan, and they're just getting everybody in place so they can really enforce what they need to when it's time❤️🙏❤️ thanks Meryl as always

Jeanette Johnson's avatar

I’ve been in lines where the people ahead of me had 3 carts, 1 was all sodas, the 2nd all TV dinners and readymade food, the 3rd paper products, laundry detergent, and fruit, no vegetables in sight. She Paid with snap card. The woman said oh you sure eat healthy when she looked in my 1 cart with vegetables, fruits, and meats, I said yes we try to stay healthy. It’s a choice what you eat, and they will still get the other junk even if they spend their rent money on it. I expect many will be homeless rather than give up their bad choices.

Rob D's avatar

It's heartbreaking to be behind a SNAP "beneficiary" at the grocery store and see their cart piled with 2 cases of soda pop, 5 bags of chips, 10 different kinds of candy, "convenience" "meals", and every other kind of garbage product available. If our tax dollars are going to be stolen and given away to other people, at a minimum, those tax dollars should be used for real food. I don't understand why this is such a difficult topic for many. This is OUR money. To be fair, if someone is paying attention to prices at the grocery store, *sadly* many of these junk products are less expensive than real food. It's all upside down. It should be less expensive to buy a bunch of broccoli, a steak, and a potato than it is to buy a bag of chips, a bottle of soda pop, and a "microwaveable" sandwich, but in many cases it's not. Look at the "groceries" available in a Dollar Store (where many who struggle financially shop)... nothing but products *loaded* with seed oils, sugar (high fructose corn syrup), the wrong kind of salt, and chemicals.

David 1260's avatar

Looks like a huge amount of research! Thank you.