When people do believe in viruses and contagion, countless criminals get away with promoting and administering fraudulent tests, terrorizing and surveilling the public over imaginary health threats, culling countless millions of animals, turning the world upside over fake-covid, making false statements to 'public officials', misappropriating vast sums of money, countless pseudoscientists and analysis around the world - not just the gain-of-fiction pseudoscientists - continue studying imaginary particles and misinterpreting data based on logical fallacies (Meryl's specialty), people continue fearing imaginary health threats (including other people!) instead of addressing the real causes of illness, they get duped into taking toxic substances to prevent or kill imaginary particles inside of themselves, people continue shunning/shaming/excluding the unquackcinated re school attendance etc, people want to avoid instead of care for sick people... on and on it goes. There are far more criminals to be held accountable when one sees that the entire 'germ' model was never proven and that there is tons of evidence against it. And there is a great freedom and relief in no longer fearing invisible replicating health threats and realizing that our health is more in our own hands than we had realized.
Do you see how going along with pseudoscience enabled the globalists to pull off not only the covid hoax, but the horrors of the HIV/AIDS scam, the Gardasil scam, the childhood quackcine schedule scam, etc, etc, etc.? All of it hinges on people believing in the core pathogen/contagion mythologies. Not sure why this is so hard for some people to see when it's plain as day.
What need is there to investigate the origin of something never shown to exist, Meryl? And obviously labs that are involved in 1) money laundering and/or 2) pseudoscience and/or 3) studying ways to scam and harm people.... ought to be shut down. Hmm, you really needed me to address this?
Do you really need me to point out that it is impossible to assess the effectiveness of a treatment for a fake "disease" that is "confirmed" via fraudulent, impossible-to-validate tests, zero symptoms required?
You could hardly be more disingenuous in pretending that no-virus lets anyone off the hook. Far more people are on the hook when the full extent of the scam is exposed.... and far more harm will be prevented going forward.
The idiocy of the fake-isolation that you direct people to has been dissected ad nauseum. Anyone who still doesn't realize that virologists don't actually isolate/purify their imaginary particles and instead they create wildly unnatural brews and pretend that starved/poisoned monkey cells breaking down means that a "virus" has been "isolated" can simply read the methods for themselves lol. Thanks for sharing the especially idiotic Caly et. al study wherein the authors admitted that they couldn't see anything in their man-made monkey/cow/bacteria/fungi/human/toxic-chemical brew that fit their idea of a "coronavirus" until AFTER they added the protein-digesting enzyme trypsin - lmao. They will see for themselves that no particle was sequenced or characterized and that no controlled experiments were conducted to even test for illness-causation or contagion.
You claim that I "can't grapple with the science", yet you, like everyone else on the planet, aren't able to cite any science.
Don't take it personally Meryl but your attempt at constructing a coherent argument here wouldn't pass the required rules of a high school debate squad. Do you realize how many logical fallacies you've packed into such a short salvo?
Let me tackle the "early treatment" BS here.
The fabrication of a controversy over "early treatments" from the start of the operation is intended to invent parallel narratives and stop all other narratives from getting out of the gate.
Installing the controversy on how to "treat" this alleged "new disease" served to concretize the narrative that a "novel disease" existed and that the "novel pathogen" which caused this disease was in fact a real problem requiring political and medical measures rather than an invented control narrative.
This phony world of Potemkin logic assured that no one would bother to check the "truth of the fact"- had a new disease in fact appeared and was there proof of this novel pathogen?
This leads us to two competing thesis:
1) A serious new disease has arrived against which we have no medical defense until the savior vaccine arrives;
2) A serious new disease has arrived that one could, and could have, treat(ed) were it not for the underhanded efforts by the authorities who brought us thesis #1.
That thesis #2 has been seized upon and catapulted by individuals who are then portrayed as "rogue anti-establishment doctors" and administrative types who quickly become the face of the "health freedom movement" seems to be more than an unlikely coincidence.
This dynamic serves to disallow and/or marginalize alternative theories and mutes the abundant evidence that there was in fact no new pathogen of any sort.
A quote:
"It was a question of making the idea of the imaginary disease exist even in the mind of the recalcitrant portion of the population, by providing them with the protest rattles that they could wave at their leisure - the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine, the effectiveness of ivermectin, the ineffectiveness of masks, the ineffectiveness of " vaccines."
We thus showed that we were treating the imaginary disease with exactly the same method as that which had made it possible to establish its existence, making the posthumous pride of Monsieur de Münchhausen.to have been able to inspire so much beautiful science."
The accepted medical science of "early treatments" of a non-existent disease rests on the same foundation as the invention of this non-existent disease. Therefore it too is invalid.
The authors of the "official" government narrative- thesis #1- and those of the alternative "health freedom" narrative- thesis #2- are, in the end, likely to become "strange bedfellows" and not real adversaries under these conditions, as both validate the imaginary disease by different means.
Thus it is hard to imagine that we arrive at a place much different, if these are to be the "accepted" and "hotly contested" narratives, regardless of which of the 2 theses "wins the day."
Establishing allegedly "alternative" narratives is a far better mode of control than putting forth only one established narrative. This way the control apparatus indeed preempts narratives which "go too far." Just like the two party electoral politics illusion. No matter which of the two narratives which you mention succeeds (the second by the way involves the "lab leak bio weapon" fiction), fear wins, and that's the most successful tool the control apparatus has.
As you know they planted the seed of GoF/lab leak narrative in early 2020 even before they went all in on the pandemic.
It's all pretty hilariously idiotic as even basic facts dispel the notion that any of this "novel pathogen" or SARS-CoV-2's existence or "GoF deadly virus" or etc. discussion has merit.
Here we have people getting all invested in this nonsense (they've been programmed to believe these lies) without taking a step back and looking at just how "deadly" this supposed alien is or is not.
Once we subtract from the "official" Covid death data all of the iatrogenic harm, misattribution of "cases", at-home deaths, data fraud etc. is there any excess mortality to talk about?
Add to that that this alleged GoF demon only impacted the fragile elderly who were already on death's doorstep and you have theater of the absurd.
Of course none of that even happened, they were killed by protocols, neglect, etc. but even WITHIN the phony narrative that narrative falls apart.
If anything people who so want to believe in this GoF stuff should be jumping around and celebrating- "See it's not so deadly after all!"
"If anything people who so want to believe in this GoF stuff should be jumping around and celebrating- "See it's not so deadly after all!" "
The ones i know respond with "Yeah, but this was just practice, next time...." You can't get people to see the nonsense of their beliefs by appealing to those beliefs.
The people who are explaining the missing virus problem and dismantling virology have done substantial work that rises above the level of probable cause. And as such, it deserves to be acknowledged and understood.
None of this is a "narrative" or a claim. It is a reasonable case, and if it's incorrect, then it can be refuted by specific proof — such as one paper saying that "SARS-CoV-2" has been sequenced from wild, live virion found in a diseased human host.
The failure to address or acknowledge the substantial nature of the matter — a matter of crucial public concern — exceeds malpractice and in my considerable experience, constitutes fraud on the public. The same hapless public that fell for the purported claims of "science" the first time and frankly every other time.
Health freedom leaders are doing Fauci's job better than he ever could have.
"The accepted medical science of "early treatments" of a non-existent disease rests on the same foundation as the invention of this non-existent disease. Therefore it too is invalid."
The common colds, flus, respiratory diseases/infectious diseases etc are all detox strategies that the body is utilizing in order to heal itself so are never contagious.
You have it exactly backwards and don't even seem to understand the basic argument of those who are exploring and challenging this theory- and that's all it is.
For the millionth time- so please get it right from here on out- there is no such thing as a no virus movement and no such thing as a no virus narrative and no such thing as no virus people.
Those who are immersed in this exploration are stating- and have done so repeatedly and with crystal clarity so your misrepresentation is yet again inexcusable- that viruses have not SCIENTIFICALLY BEEN PROVEN to exist using proper scientific methodologies. That's a far cry from just stating "viruses don't exist."
I know you would never do it as you generally just like to insult people who challenge your assumptions but why not have an open discussion/debate about only the science of virology with Mike Stone or Mark Bailey or Tom Cowan and have it in a public forum.
Where is your "science"? Where is your proof that SARS-CoV-2 has been physically isolated and purified directly from a living subject? Why is it that 225 global public health entities have admitted that they have no such proof?
Absolutely Jeffery. I like the legal maxim: he who makes the claim must provide the evidence. It seems like the pro-virus people (including Meryl unfortunately) seem to want the virus skeptics to prove the absence of viruses as opposed to realising that it is they who make the claim and therefore should provide the evidence for viruses! Seems like a switcharoo!
Absolutely, Michael. Basic scientific method. Up to the one presenting an hypothesis to prove it. As if anyone could prove a negative in a scientific way, e.g. a virus doesn't exist, or that purple colored canines/felines don't exist.
Instead of endless messaging to and fro, when much gets lost in translation & tedium, Why don't you 'experts' from all sides of this debate agree to come together face to face in an open public arena (perhaps more than once) and share your respective evidence, data, arguments, jibes, and more. And let the listening, watching audience be among those who judge who is closest to the truth, and what the best responses should be. And most importantly, how to unseat (& prosecute) the real masterminds behind all of this fraud!
All the virus-pushers need to do is cite valid scientific evidence... but they can't b/c it doesn't exist. Literally hundreds of institutions were already challenged and showed that they cannot cite any scientific evidence (see my FOI collection).
Virologists never have a valid independent variable to sequence, characterize and study with valid experiments. End of story. A debate will not change this. People need to think logically and critically and look at some studies for themselves instead of consuming endless content from "leaders" and trying to decide who seems to be "closest to the truth". I've been quite horrified at how illogical so many "freedom" people are... this is what makes them so easy to manipulate.
Science isn’t a popularity contest, seeking out the most persuasive person’s arguments. Debates are only about winning such contests. What they’re not about is establishing the truth.
There’s no good alternative to reading the arguments for yourself so that you will know the truth, not merely choose the most convincing team.
By the way, those promoting the narrative will NEVER agree to a formal debate. While I don’t favour the format as above, they’d be properly spanked in front of their audience. They’re not going to ever risk this.
Hiya Meryl and Christine, as you both use the term; I'd like either or both of you to prove to me that 'globalists' exist please.
The deep state refers to special interests, mostly US based, in fossil fuels, pharma, animal ag (pharma's biggest client), agrochemicals, arms, tech, banking and media.They, of course, staged the fear around a pandemic which was made easy by pharma sponsored medical education and research already misunderstanding the nature of disease. The system claims that ill health is the absence of the appropriate pharmaceutical. They naturally oppose no virus as this means no vaccine, IVM or HCQ to make money from. They don't mind calls to shut down biolabs, which get lots of grants for playing with harmless RNA fragments in bat poo, as they'll continue somewhere else anyway or find some other angle.
Globalists on the other hand are apparently an evil cabal bent on depopulation, though there's no evidence for a depopulation, nor would it be in the interests of the deep state. The globalists also somehow faked the climate crisis and altered 100s or 1000s of measurements. The globalists want to control us with climate policies and to stop us using fossil fuels and eating animals. This isn't in the interests of the deep state either.
Have globalists been purified, isolated and characterised? Is there evidence for their existence through depopulation? No. Just lots of income generation through increased morbidity from pharmaceuticals.
I think globalists are the psyop created by the deep state to make a backlash that got a climate crisis denier in the White House, who is currently suing companies who divest from fossil fuels.
All I know is that they faked a pandemic and used it against populations worldwide. Every measure taken was anti-human, deliberately engineering fear and hysteria, social isolation, restricting movement, segregating and locking up the elderly and vulnerable in nursing and care homes while making sure they were on the receiving end of the most draconian covid measures, cutting off essential services which again caused the greatest damage to the vulnerable, indiscriminate invasive testing which they also used as a means to control people and movement, children were denied proper education, medical services were severely restricted, there was hospital abuse in which they completely isolated patients. Whatever Covid was or was not the damage caused by the pandemic response was horrific and not one person responsible for this travesty has been held accountable.
I agree 1000% The Isolation is the problem. You can not have a culture full of toxins and tell me the virus killed the cell. Isolation means exactly that. The partical alone by itself. They have never taken sputum from a “sick” person and a) shown a virus b) made the healthy person sick. Ever! Take the hoax that is rabies. You get bit and potentially get rabies but we can't test the saliva of the “rabid” dog. We have to kill it to tell. That is dumb! The person who wrote this column has not looked into the fraud pasture. Nor do they know how the body works. There is no outside invisible boogieman out to get you. Its your lifestyle that's making you tox-sick!
As far as any pandemic there was none whatsoever- the data on this is irrefutable. Those who repeat this lie do a great disservice to everyone by reinforcing this lie. Not only does the "pandemic" narrative serve to cover up the fact that it was mass murder directly attributable to policies mandated by identifiable individuals but it serves as a smokescreen for the entire "Covid" operation that is steamrolling people's lives.
The biggest problem with promoting this lie is that those who promote are not just simply wrong but their insistence on using some iteration of the “lab leak” red herring covers up the actual crimes that were committed.
The "lab leak/targeted spraying/GoF" theories do not hold water and cover up what actually happened which was straight forward mass murder in nursing homes and hospitals. This had nothing whatsoever to do with a "viral event" and all to do with administrative slaughter and hospicide. All of the “Covid deaths” are fraudulent and inventions from the Pharma/medical/media cartel. The vast majority are medical murder.
We have not been and are not facing what RFK Jr. termed “a mismanaged pandemic,” a stance supported by the majority of “health freedom” celebrities. What we are dealing with is fraud, tyranny and mass murder.
I tried to get people to stop taking the vaccines. I couldn’t stop my daughters because they wanted to travel. I told everyone I knew, and many people I didn’t know, not to take the vaccine. I stopped a few people, but that’s all. I tried my hardest, but most people had to take it for their job or to travel! I’d rather stay home, but I’m not like the majority.
We are dealing with fraud tyranny and mass murder., let’s agree on that . Let’s agree to disagree on the exact nature of the element that caused Illness . Call it a virus or a particle or whatever. Let’s agree the Covid measures including injectables lockdowns school closures and terrible protocols etc caused so much more harm .
Also both points of vue can both be true . There may have been an element spread in the atmosphere by whatever maybe planes/ drones ( ie mass “ vaccination” ) and there may have been something that came from a lab. Let us accept differences of opinion and fight censorship coercion and murder together
Meryl, there is 1 and only 1 way to show that no-virus people are wrong. And you have been challenged on multiple occasions to do it but failed every time... just like the hundreds of "health" and "science" institutions that were FOI'd.
Love you Christine! I love reading your comments and seeing how you’re really trying… I’m afraid some people are just so set in their views that they just don’t need to look at the evidence of the utterly fraudulent ‘isolation process’. I do feel sad when people clearly understand the Rockefeller/allopathic medical cartel takeover and can’t stretch their minds to consider the possibility that virology is just another aspect of the fraudulent cartel’s strategy to control medicine… Xx
Thank you so much Michael. Bit by bit, we are making headway. It would have been so much faster if the "experts" like Meryl weren't fighting the truth every step of the way. Cheers.
Virus in Latin means toxin or poison. Old Merck Manuals defined a virus as the smallest parasite. They have never been able to take a direct swab or smear from a sick person and isolate a virus. So if they made something in a lab, it is probably a toxin or some synthetic poison. I agree with Drs. Sam and Mark Bailey, Dr. Tom Cowan, Dr. Andrew Kaufman, PhD in Virology, Stefan Lanka, and others who have never found a true sample of an isolated virus. Dr. Milton Rosenau tried very thoroughly to infect healthy people with the Spanish Flu directly from very sick people, and did not succeed in making 1 healthy person sick. Many believe the rash of sickness in 1918 was from the recent mandatory injection of the Smallpox Vaccine. People who escaped the vaccine didn’t get sick.
The assertion that rejecting the existence of SARS-CoV-2 means there is no need to investigate biowarfare labs is a non sequitur—it does not logically follow. If anything, the opposite is true: if these labs are fabricating a pandemic narrative around a non-existent virus, then they absolutely warrant deeper scrutiny.
1. Existence Must Be Proven, Not Assumed
Science is not a matter of belief but of evidence. No virus has been isolated in accordance with the scientific method, and conflating poisoned cell cultures with viral isolation is a sleight of hand, not rigorous methodology.
The burden of proof lies with those claiming the virus exists. Handwaving the absence of legitimate isolation does not transform assumptions into facts.
2. Fake Pathogens Still Serve Real Agendas
Whether or not a virus exists has no bearing on whether biowarfare programs should be investigated. If these programs are manufacturing a global deception, using fraudulent gain-of-function narratives to justify mass surveillance, draconian policies, and medical tyranny, then they demand far more investigation, not less.
If these labs are producing actual biological agents, that too is a separate matter that should be scrutinized regardless of whether a virus exists.
3. Logical Contradictions in the Narrative
The claim assumes that if SARS-CoV-2 isn’t real, then no harm has been done—ignoring the colossal fraud, social engineering, and economic devastation inflicted by the response to this 'pandemic.'
If the pandemic is based on fraudulent science, then it is even more important to investigate the perpetrators behind the deception, including their financial and political motives.
4. The Treatment Fallacy
Any discussion of the ‘benefits’ of treatments like HCQ or ivermectin for a virus that has never been proven to exist is fundamentally flawed.
More importantly, propping up false premises to justify treatments only reinforces the broader deception rather than dismantling it.
5. PsyOp Projection
Ironically, the very concern raised—that "no-virus" claims are a psyop to distract from biowarfare origins—can be flipped on its head. What if the virus narrative itself is the psyop, constructed to justify a bioterror framework, perpetual biosecurity policies, and mass medical interventions?
If "gain-of-function" is based on an unproven entity, the real function gained is control, not 'virology.'
Conclusion
Rejecting the existence of an unproven virus does not mean rejecting investigations into criminal enterprises masquerading as science. On the contrary, it makes those investigations more urgent. The issue is not whether biowarfare labs exist—it’s whether they are creating deadly pathogens or manufacturing narratives to justify the medical-industrial complex’s stranglehold on society.
There is no evidence "viruses" with pandemic potential can be created even if one believes in this con. Covid was a political and sociological phenomenon featuring a low-grade imaginary spikey guy with a huge marketing budget.
It's much more important to shut off the source of the narrative propaganda. People who still cling to this garbage are being played. GoF, lab leak etc. are an “approved” stories. They want people obsessing over origin to distract them from the policy-related slaughter of the last 5-years.
It also preserves the “pandemic preparedness industry” via which big corporations can siphon trillions from taxpayers. The lab leak sci-fi bogus theory is intended to provide 'justification' for future lockdowns and other biosecurity horrors.
Lab leak narrative is used to shore up “deadly novel virus suddenly appeared” narrative.
The constant drumbeat and ramping up of the lab leak hysteria is a massive red herring to save the Pharma/pandemic and bio security industrial complex which reinforces the need for the global “pandemic preparedness” initiatives presently in the works. $$ and control.
That's the entire purpose of these blatantly staged "leaks"; to portray what was a concerted, deliberate operation of mass-murder undertaken by the ENTIRE RULING-CLASS as the individual evil &/or negligence of a few key men.
The germ hypothesis has been and is an extremely effective RC weapon over a century to repress, poison, dispossess, starve, and enslave us, which is why it’s existentially crucial to debunk it and call out, well-meaning or not, those who promote it.
The one thing that The Powers That Shouldn’t Be fear is losing their narrative to the truth that SARS-CoV-2 never existed in the first place. While logically you can never prove that something doesn’t exist (the famous Australian black swans), with items of importance, if you claim that something exists, then you must provide evidence, and preferably ironclad evidence.
Lose the existence of SARS-CoV-2, everything else in their narrative swirls down the toilet (where they belong) including the fake covid-19 illness, the fake rt-PCR test, the fake reasons for lockdowns which killed the economy, the fake masks, the fake debate between whether the fake “novel virus” originated with a love match between a bat and a pangolin or the one favored by conservatives, by gain-of-function at the Wuhan Lab of fake Virology, killing people in hospitals by the thousands with Remdesivir and ventilators, and most of all, the need to inject billions of arms with neurotoxins made by serail felons who reap big money off the con job.
"Do you see how denying the existence of a virus plays into the globalists’ hands?"
The False Dilemma: Who Really Benefits?
The claim that rejecting the existence of a virus somehow “plays into the globalists’ hands” is a textbook false dilemma—a deceptive attempt to force a choice between two flawed options. In reality, accepting a fictional virus plays directly into the hands of those orchestrating the deception, reinforcing their ability to impose control through lockdowns, mandates, digital health IDs, and endless booster shots.
If the virus narrative is false, then all the restrictive policies justified by it collapse—including the surveillance state, gain-of-function fear-mongering, and the financial windfall for pharmaceutical giants. The globalist agenda thrives on perpetual crises, and nothing fuels it better than an invisible, ever-mutating fictitious pathogen. By challenging the very foundation of this illusion, one is not aiding globalists but undermining their primary mechanism of control.
In contrast, defending the virus narrative—whether to justify ‘treatments,’ debate the false dichotomy of lab vs. zoonotic origins, keeps the fraud alive. The burden is not on skeptics to explain how rejecting a lie empowers the liars; the real question is why some insist on defending a narrative that only serves to sustain their power.
I have stopped trusting anyone who uses the word "globalist" (I don't mean you, as you're quoting others' use of it). It's a vague term with no clear referent and partly a relic of McCarthyism. Most of the "medical freedom" movement are right wingers, so they don't want to use an obviously correct and clear term -- ruling class, or even better, the transnational ruling class -- because these terms are associated with socialism and Marxism, allegedly the ultimate enemies.
Causality. To my thinking the question/debate is, are viruses the cause of a type of disease or the effect of a type of disease? And by disease I mean the origin of the word, dis-ease.
There are countless tests that show replication isn't a certainty, other conditions must be present for the introduction of what is called virus to make more of itself. Either in a Petri dish or host.
Are there somethings that viruses are associated with that are causal or are viruses themselves causal? And there's no settled science about that.
To make these statements isn't to deny or affirm the existence of viruses. These are just facts. And if there is something that viruses are associated with, that they are the byproduct of, instead of the 'villain' themselves there could/would still be room for concepts like viral spreading that we would want to know, whether cause or effect.
In short, both sides may very well possess truth. And probably the most likely answer, since neither represent certitude, both have flaws to poke at.
If my thinking is true then the debate can get past the do/don't viruses exist stage and enter into the only one that matters which is how do we improve the health outcomes of a population when it meets whatever virus is, cause or effect, in order to reduce dis-ease in it.
And the best way to do that is found in the Terrain theory of disease which is to improve the overall health of the population by improving diet, exercise, decreasing exposure to contaminants including chemicals, engineered food, harmful frequencies, getting proper sleep, sun exposure, etc.
Prioritizing improving our terrains as individuals and society-wide is the absolute best medicine. Prevention. And has exponentially greater efficacy than any man-made product that Big Pharma can come up with. Which is the rationale of MAHA's priority. Under Pareto's 80-20 principle that focus will produce 80% of the reduction in dis-ease in a population no matter how much virus causal/effectual is circulating in the environment.
I agree that the debate is a distraction, and think that it's not necessary to take sides. The solution is starting at home, improving one's own terrain and health. And requires nobody to do anything to protect you or others. We own our health outcomes that result from how we take care of ourselves. Being selfish in that sense is the best public policy of all, relies on and obligates nobody else. Taking personal responsibility is the most important part of growing up and surviving a world full of hazards.
Collectivized health is parents, authoritarianism that enables irresponsible children to misbehave, free of consequences; it's blame-shifting. That results in collective punishment, even of the adults who grew up and are self-responsible.
The obese women who yelled at me to wear a mask in the supermarket - while their shopping cart was full of soda and junk food - were the biggest threat to themselves they faced. Not my free face. Sames.
I myself dont know for sure if viruses dont exist but I am suspicious of anyone who outright dismisses it. After what they did with Covid, everything weve ever been told should rightfully be coming into question.
“I am willing to go on record to say that Andrew Kaufman, MD (a psychiatrist, not a molecular biologist, who got his undergrad degree in the same department I did at MIT--Biology) who is quoted in the piece, is wrong and ignorant, besides. As are others.”
This argument is a textbook example of ad hominem and appeal to authority fallacies rather than an engagement with the actual claims being made. Here’s why:
1. Ad Hominem Fallacy
The statement dismisses Andrew Kaufman’s arguments based on who he is rather than addressing the validity of his claims.
Whether Kaufman is a psychiatrist, a molecular biologist, or a janitor at MIT has no bearing on whether his arguments about virus isolation are correct. Scientific arguments stand or fall on evidence and reasoning, not credentials.
Calling him “ignorant” without refuting his points is a classic character attack, not a legitimate counterargument.
2. Appeal to Authority Fallacy
The argument subtly implies that because the critic also studied biology at MIT, their opinion carries weight. But education or credentials do not automatically make someone correct.
Scientific conclusions must be debated based on methodology, logic, and empirical evidence, not institutional affiliation.
Many highly credentialed scientists have been wrong in history. Science progresses by challenging assumptions, not by deferring to authority.
3. Lack of Substance
The statement makes zero effort to engage with Kaufman’s specific claims.
Which of his points are wrong? Why? What evidence contradicts them?
Without addressing the core argument—such as the lack of proper viral isolation—the dismissal is baseless rhetoric rather than a scientific rebuttal.
Conclusion
This statement does nothing to disprove Kaufman’s arguments. Instead, it relies on credentialism, personal attacks, and appeals to authority rather than substantive critique. If Kaufman is wrong, it should be demonstrated through reasoned analysis of his refutations of ‘virology’ not name-calling and resume comparisons.
The people who are explaining the missing virus problem and dismantling virology have done substantial work that rises above the level of probable cause. And as such, it deserves to be acknowledged and understood.
None of this is a "narrative" or a claim. It is a reasonable case, and if it's incorrect, then it can be refuted by specific proof — such as one paper saying that "SARS-CoV-2" has been sequenced from wild, live virion found in a diseased human host.
The failure to address or acknowledge the substantial nature of the matter — a matter of crucial public concern — exceeds malpractice and in my considerable experience, constitutes fraud on the public. The same hapless public that fell for the purported claims of "science" the first time and frankly every other time.
Health freedom leaders are doing Fauci's job better than he ever could have.
Ah, yes! Meryl the Magnificent has been 'isolating' 'viruses' for ages using her time-honored, foolproof technique: absolutely wrecking cell cultures with a five-star chemical onslaught. Let’s break down her prestigious protocol, shall we?
First, she lovingly douses a monkey kidney cell culture in a gourmet cocktail of cytotoxic ingredients: antibiotics (to nuke the microbiome and ensure no pesky bacteria survive to challenge the ‘viral’ fairytale), starvation medium—because if the cells stayed healthy, how would we blame a ‘virus’?—and a dash of fetal bovine serum—because nothing screams ‘scientific rigor’ like drenching cells in slaughterhouse byproducts to help them break down.
Then, to really bring the magic to life, she adds a splash of trypsin, a pinch of detergents, and some high-dose chemical reagents that scream we're making ‘isolation’ history, folks!—by making sure the cell culture breaks down faster than a reality TV star under pressure!
And what happens next? Drumroll, please! The cells—shriveled, poisoned, and gasping for mercy—begin to break down in a dramatic performance known as the "cytopathic effect." But wait! This isn’t a tragic collapse caused by the toxic ingredients, oh no! This, dear friends, is irrefutable evidence of an elusive, invisible, never-purified 'virus'! Voilà! Meryl has done it again—‘isolation’ complete!
No need for controls (that’s for haters and skeptics). No need for purification (because who has the time?). Just pure, unadulterated scientific wizardry. And if you question it? Well, that just means you don’t understand real viroLIEgy.
Perhaps you and Dr. Lee Merritt could have a discussion. She is presenting a 7 part series on viral theory on her Medical Rebel channel on Rumble called "The Flying Unicorn." Parts 1, 2/3 and 4 are now up. A link to part 1...
The idea of the virus is that of a self-replicating toxin. Toxins, poisons, whatever, are supposed to be organic molecules that lack the ability to self-replicate. If a person has more and more quantity of toxin as the disease progresses, there are only two possibilities: someone is adding the toxin (parasites or bacteria or nurses or doctors or spies) or the toxin is a special case, because it manifests self-replication.
To show this claim is true, it is necessary to provide evidence. That is to say, that scientists have actually observed and quantified this observable phenomenon.
Given that this has not been observed, the claim was altered: it's not self-replication, but parasitic replication; the toxin is very smart and takes control of the replicating machinery of animal cells, including the ability to transform energy. Thus, the virus concept took control of the minds of people.
As things are today, most people believe, without evidence, that viruses are real. We simply assumed that someone has observed it, confirmed, explained it, quantified it. We take the stuff from textbooks as the truth. Validated, real, authentic, precise and proven truth.
Then, we say, "well, nothing is ever settled in science, any claim can be refuted, this is not a religion." But it has been refuted. Since the beginning. Many times. Astonishing!
Every time the claim was transformed to overcome the refutation, a new refutation was articulated, and ritually ignored, because this is politics. Public Health is a materialistic method of mass-controlling human beings. Live stock management, if you will.
For me, it's very interesting the entire process: we want a method of controlling people that is not based in a mystical concept. We design one such concept (contagious disease through viruses), then proclaim that it is real, and then we spend 130+ years pretending there are no objections to this lie. The lie is real because we ignore the refutations.
But, if this is science, then simply show the proof that viruses are real observable objects of Nature, and then, and only then, that they cause disease that can be transmitted.
If you cannot do that, the entire concept should be thrown away. That's science, as the Government-run schools taught us. And even that may be wrong, but the most important thing here, for me, is that it's not possible for most people to even begin to consider that they were fooled.
As years pass, it becomes more difficult to admit the truth.
Thomas, you are alive because you were never in danger from a lab created virus. And that also goes for everyone else. But many people were murdered for political purposes. That is the truth of this case, and the virus was the cover story. And a tremendous damage to the lives and the property of everyone has been produced. We should stop inventing excuses for our enemies, who want to kill us.
<< No one ever has grappled with these arguments. Even when I get 1,000 comments on a post about "No-Viruses." That is the tipoff that the deep state is running this psyop. >>
This is some of the most tortured "logic" I've ever read. You are essentially arguing that the underlying scientific reality is a function of presumed political and budgetary evidence. Such evidence is indirect and circumstantial.
Dr. Nass, I'm a big fan of your work. I don't know if viruses exist or not. However, I would like to state some points in differing with your view here.
1. Denis Rancourt's work has demonstrated that there was not evidence of a deadly circulating pathogen in 2020.
2. Jessica Hockett and her cohorts have provided strong evidence that the "covid hot spots" in 2020 are not at all substantiated and large-scale fraud is likely in play (in NYC, Bergamo Italy, and elsewhere).
3. TPTB use axioms, often not revealed to the public, from which they roll out their tyranny. They have postulated domestic terrorism by Christians/Trump supporters, for example, and acted accordingly during the last administration. They don't really care what any of us think or what rabbit holes we want to go down. So even if "no virus" is completely false, I don't see it changing the trajectory of what they are doing at all.
4. GOF research can be quite deadly even if viruses don't exist and we should oppose it as you have done. The book "Bitten" discusses the weaponization of ticks and the creation of Lyme Disease for example.
5. Even if viruses don't exist, bacteria, mold, parasites, toxins, and synthetic toxins (such as synthetic venoms) do exist. Not to mention radiation, atmospheric particulate dumps ("chemtrails"), and other weaponized things in food and elsewhere. All this weaponized GOF research, in all of its forms, needs to be eliminated.
6. TPTB's propaganda arm ridicules anyone who attempts to expose them or state alternate truths. It is true that "no virus" is much less acceptable than claims for Ivermectin, etc, and thus easier to ridicule. However, the truth is the truth and that is the only place I want to go.
7. The book "Can you catch a cold?" details the numerous failed experiments in trying to demonstrate sick-to-well disease transmission. It does offer some alternate theories.
8. As I understand it, Virology involves taking a bunch of stuff (some toxic), including matter from a sick person, mixing it all up, putting it with cherry-picked cell lines, seeing them die off and calling this evidence that it was caused by a virus. They do have electron microscope images of things that look a lot like exosomes that they claim are viruses but this proves nothing.
9. People, whatever the cause, do get sick with respiratory illnesses and other problems. The fight to be able to use IVM, HCQ, and other remedies needs to continue. "No virus" is irrelevant to this fight for medical choice.
10. If Virology should be downgraded to "unproven hypothesis", which I believe it should, and enough people can come to this realization, then the whole notion of vaccines against them etc. falls apart. It is idealistic to think this might happen, but I go where the evidence leads. Yes, they supposedly have created complete nucleotide sequences of the virus, but this just proves the gargantuan nature of what they have created, based on the very shaky foundation of virology.
11. My experience with colds, supposedly caused by viruses, is not one of catching it from someone. I had a cold some weeks ago, wife didn't get it. Four weeks after I got well, she got one (for 5 days now) and I'm not getting it. I don't mean to be crude, but ill-timed sexual release, experientially, is much more causative of getting or extending a cold than catching it from someone else.
Meryl, I still do not see any irrefutable proof of any alleged biological virus and alleged nucleotides in your article and your links. Existence of exosomes is not proven too. Not to mention so-called no virus people were talking about agendas of usurpers-parasites since 2020. Also you forgot that no virus people have been censored on social media platforms in 2020 too. So how alleged deep state loves their narrative if they censor it?
And no one has to explain what made or makes people sick to point out of lack of valid evidence of bio viruses and nucleotides.
But you do not have a platform as youtube and facebook. The only platform which was not censoring as much was twitter. And I know it because I am one of so-called no virus people. I was actually one of first of them who properly investigated virology be checking what methods and tools are used for observation and isolation of viruses.
Not to mention I was also warning people about agendas of usurpers-parasites at the same time like intentional culling, maiming and stricter slavery.
You guys seem to be late to the part if you think that you are first talking about Great Reset.
Here was your golden opportunity to show Dr. Nass up. Your golden chance, so you punt. Brilliant. Bragging about your empty accomplishments. Your investigations my ass.
"Why is that?" Can't and won't give a straight answer.
If this were a boxing match, you threw in the towel, by evading her direct challenge. You got knocked out!
It's the quality of the responses. Your side mix jargon and arrogance in a very unseemly way. You present as the worst kind of experts, know-it-alls.
If you could guide people to a conclusion without insulting smart people you might have a chance. Your use jargon unfamiliar to us and pretend you are in some kind of secret society with inside knowledge.
You don't go toe to toe with Dr. Nass because you can't. All you got is copy and paste. Depth or integrity, nil
Yes, some people can still do it there. Or some comments are shadow banned and can only be visible if you set them from newest to oldest. And some accounts are shadow banned, so if they use specific words those comments will be removed. That is why I had to use terms like biological particles that cause diseases. But they censored them too for me. So now I use a term particles that cause issues. "Deep state" must love me very much.
I get it now. Social media has banned your BS so you come here, right. Got it!
But rather than treat Dr. Nass as a colleague you treat her as if she banned you. Which she hasn't but after this show of malice, place is crawling with scum, hope springs eternal.
This show of organized crime has impressed me deeply. That so many show up here spouting trite generalities, confirms her status as someone to be respected. She is an obvious threat to TPTB.
How is she the enemy? She is not powerful or wealthy. Your gang of bullies, can barely write. I read someone who says they are Yeadon. No the man is a doctor, sloppy English is not part of his schtick. So fraud is going on in a big way and you are part and parcel of it.
But oh yeah a chorus of gratuitous upvotes, when read it's schlock. Copy and paste malarkey. Drivel.
When people do believe in viruses and contagion, countless criminals get away with promoting and administering fraudulent tests, terrorizing and surveilling the public over imaginary health threats, culling countless millions of animals, turning the world upside over fake-covid, making false statements to 'public officials', misappropriating vast sums of money, countless pseudoscientists and analysis around the world - not just the gain-of-fiction pseudoscientists - continue studying imaginary particles and misinterpreting data based on logical fallacies (Meryl's specialty), people continue fearing imaginary health threats (including other people!) instead of addressing the real causes of illness, they get duped into taking toxic substances to prevent or kill imaginary particles inside of themselves, people continue shunning/shaming/excluding the unquackcinated re school attendance etc, people want to avoid instead of care for sick people... on and on it goes. There are far more criminals to be held accountable when one sees that the entire 'germ' model was never proven and that there is tons of evidence against it. And there is a great freedom and relief in no longer fearing invisible replicating health threats and realizing that our health is more in our own hands than we had realized.
Do you see how going along with pseudoscience enabled the globalists to pull off not only the covid hoax, but the horrors of the HIV/AIDS scam, the Gardasil scam, the childhood quackcine schedule scam, etc, etc, etc.? All of it hinges on people believing in the core pathogen/contagion mythologies. Not sure why this is so hard for some people to see when it's plain as day.
She's back! That didn't take long.
Still has not a single argument against what I wrote. Can't grapple with the science.
What need is there to investigate the origin of something never shown to exist, Meryl? And obviously labs that are involved in 1) money laundering and/or 2) pseudoscience and/or 3) studying ways to scam and harm people.... ought to be shut down. Hmm, you really needed me to address this?
Do you really need me to point out that it is impossible to assess the effectiveness of a treatment for a fake "disease" that is "confirmed" via fraudulent, impossible-to-validate tests, zero symptoms required?
You could hardly be more disingenuous in pretending that no-virus lets anyone off the hook. Far more people are on the hook when the full extent of the scam is exposed.... and far more harm will be prevented going forward.
The idiocy of the fake-isolation that you direct people to has been dissected ad nauseum. Anyone who still doesn't realize that virologists don't actually isolate/purify their imaginary particles and instead they create wildly unnatural brews and pretend that starved/poisoned monkey cells breaking down means that a "virus" has been "isolated" can simply read the methods for themselves lol. Thanks for sharing the especially idiotic Caly et. al study wherein the authors admitted that they couldn't see anything in their man-made monkey/cow/bacteria/fungi/human/toxic-chemical brew that fit their idea of a "coronavirus" until AFTER they added the protein-digesting enzyme trypsin - lmao. They will see for themselves that no particle was sequenced or characterized and that no controlled experiments were conducted to even test for illness-causation or contagion.
You claim that I "can't grapple with the science", yet you, like everyone else on the planet, aren't able to cite any science.
What else do you need my help with, Meryl?
But she exactly addressed your arguments.
where?
In a comment above.
Didn't you see all those words? You don't really need to address the actual statement to post a word salad. 😏
Don't take it personally Meryl but your attempt at constructing a coherent argument here wouldn't pass the required rules of a high school debate squad. Do you realize how many logical fallacies you've packed into such a short salvo?
Let me tackle the "early treatment" BS here.
The fabrication of a controversy over "early treatments" from the start of the operation is intended to invent parallel narratives and stop all other narratives from getting out of the gate.
Installing the controversy on how to "treat" this alleged "new disease" served to concretize the narrative that a "novel disease" existed and that the "novel pathogen" which caused this disease was in fact a real problem requiring political and medical measures rather than an invented control narrative.
This phony world of Potemkin logic assured that no one would bother to check the "truth of the fact"- had a new disease in fact appeared and was there proof of this novel pathogen?
This leads us to two competing thesis:
1) A serious new disease has arrived against which we have no medical defense until the savior vaccine arrives;
2) A serious new disease has arrived that one could, and could have, treat(ed) were it not for the underhanded efforts by the authorities who brought us thesis #1.
That thesis #2 has been seized upon and catapulted by individuals who are then portrayed as "rogue anti-establishment doctors" and administrative types who quickly become the face of the "health freedom movement" seems to be more than an unlikely coincidence.
This dynamic serves to disallow and/or marginalize alternative theories and mutes the abundant evidence that there was in fact no new pathogen of any sort.
A quote:
"It was a question of making the idea of the imaginary disease exist even in the mind of the recalcitrant portion of the population, by providing them with the protest rattles that they could wave at their leisure - the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine, the effectiveness of ivermectin, the ineffectiveness of masks, the ineffectiveness of " vaccines."
We thus showed that we were treating the imaginary disease with exactly the same method as that which had made it possible to establish its existence, making the posthumous pride of Monsieur de Münchhausen.to have been able to inspire so much beautiful science."
The accepted medical science of "early treatments" of a non-existent disease rests on the same foundation as the invention of this non-existent disease. Therefore it too is invalid.
The authors of the "official" government narrative- thesis #1- and those of the alternative "health freedom" narrative- thesis #2- are, in the end, likely to become "strange bedfellows" and not real adversaries under these conditions, as both validate the imaginary disease by different means.
Thus it is hard to imagine that we arrive at a place much different, if these are to be the "accepted" and "hotly contested" narratives, regardless of which of the 2 theses "wins the day."
Establishing allegedly "alternative" narratives is a far better mode of control than putting forth only one established narrative. This way the control apparatus indeed preempts narratives which "go too far." Just like the two party electoral politics illusion. No matter which of the two narratives which you mention succeeds (the second by the way involves the "lab leak bio weapon" fiction), fear wins, and that's the most successful tool the control apparatus has.
Indeed.
As you know they planted the seed of GoF/lab leak narrative in early 2020 even before they went all in on the pandemic.
It's all pretty hilariously idiotic as even basic facts dispel the notion that any of this "novel pathogen" or SARS-CoV-2's existence or "GoF deadly virus" or etc. discussion has merit.
Here we have people getting all invested in this nonsense (they've been programmed to believe these lies) without taking a step back and looking at just how "deadly" this supposed alien is or is not.
Once we subtract from the "official" Covid death data all of the iatrogenic harm, misattribution of "cases", at-home deaths, data fraud etc. is there any excess mortality to talk about?
Add to that that this alleged GoF demon only impacted the fragile elderly who were already on death's doorstep and you have theater of the absurd.
Of course none of that even happened, they were killed by protocols, neglect, etc. but even WITHIN the phony narrative that narrative falls apart.
If anything people who so want to believe in this GoF stuff should be jumping around and celebrating- "See it's not so deadly after all!"
"If anything people who so want to believe in this GoF stuff should be jumping around and celebrating- "See it's not so deadly after all!" "
The ones i know respond with "Yeah, but this was just practice, next time...." You can't get people to see the nonsense of their beliefs by appealing to those beliefs.
The people who are explaining the missing virus problem and dismantling virology have done substantial work that rises above the level of probable cause. And as such, it deserves to be acknowledged and understood.
None of this is a "narrative" or a claim. It is a reasonable case, and if it's incorrect, then it can be refuted by specific proof — such as one paper saying that "SARS-CoV-2" has been sequenced from wild, live virion found in a diseased human host.
The failure to address or acknowledge the substantial nature of the matter — a matter of crucial public concern — exceeds malpractice and in my considerable experience, constitutes fraud on the public. The same hapless public that fell for the purported claims of "science" the first time and frankly every other time.
Health freedom leaders are doing Fauci's job better than he ever could have.
Allen - Exactly.
"The accepted medical science of "early treatments" of a non-existent disease rests on the same foundation as the invention of this non-existent disease. Therefore it too is invalid."
The common colds, flus, respiratory diseases/infectious diseases etc are all detox strategies that the body is utilizing in order to heal itself so are never contagious.
You have it exactly backwards and don't even seem to understand the basic argument of those who are exploring and challenging this theory- and that's all it is.
For the millionth time- so please get it right from here on out- there is no such thing as a no virus movement and no such thing as a no virus narrative and no such thing as no virus people.
Those who are immersed in this exploration are stating- and have done so repeatedly and with crystal clarity so your misrepresentation is yet again inexcusable- that viruses have not SCIENTIFICALLY BEEN PROVEN to exist using proper scientific methodologies. That's a far cry from just stating "viruses don't exist."
I know you would never do it as you generally just like to insult people who challenge your assumptions but why not have an open discussion/debate about only the science of virology with Mike Stone or Mark Bailey or Tom Cowan and have it in a public forum.
Christine? I sent her. And she grapples with "the science" better than nearly anyone I've every known in my 41 career of grappling with "the science."
Meryl, you cannot be this stupid. So what is it?
Where is your "science"? Where is your proof that SARS-CoV-2 has been physically isolated and purified directly from a living subject? Why is it that 225 global public health entities have admitted that they have no such proof?
Absolutely Jeffery. I like the legal maxim: he who makes the claim must provide the evidence. It seems like the pro-virus people (including Meryl unfortunately) seem to want the virus skeptics to prove the absence of viruses as opposed to realising that it is they who make the claim and therefore should provide the evidence for viruses! Seems like a switcharoo!
Absolutely, Michael. Basic scientific method. Up to the one presenting an hypothesis to prove it. As if anyone could prove a negative in a scientific way, e.g. a virus doesn't exist, or that purple colored canines/felines don't exist.
You have not a single scientific evidence supporting your BS.
Adorning "science" with a definite article is a sign of dogma.
Instead of endless messaging to and fro, when much gets lost in translation & tedium, Why don't you 'experts' from all sides of this debate agree to come together face to face in an open public arena (perhaps more than once) and share your respective evidence, data, arguments, jibes, and more. And let the listening, watching audience be among those who judge who is closest to the truth, and what the best responses should be. And most importantly, how to unseat (& prosecute) the real masterminds behind all of this fraud!
All the virus-pushers need to do is cite valid scientific evidence... but they can't b/c it doesn't exist. Literally hundreds of institutions were already challenged and showed that they cannot cite any scientific evidence (see my FOI collection).
Virologists never have a valid independent variable to sequence, characterize and study with valid experiments. End of story. A debate will not change this. People need to think logically and critically and look at some studies for themselves instead of consuming endless content from "leaders" and trying to decide who seems to be "closest to the truth". I've been quite horrified at how illogical so many "freedom" people are... this is what makes them so easy to manipulate.
Roger,
Science isn’t a popularity contest, seeking out the most persuasive person’s arguments. Debates are only about winning such contests. What they’re not about is establishing the truth.
There’s no good alternative to reading the arguments for yourself so that you will know the truth, not merely choose the most convincing team.
By the way, those promoting the narrative will NEVER agree to a formal debate. While I don’t favour the format as above, they’d be properly spanked in front of their audience. They’re not going to ever risk this.
Both you and Meryl are wrong.
Prove that I'm wrong by citing valid scientific evidence.
Hiya Meryl and Christine, as you both use the term; I'd like either or both of you to prove to me that 'globalists' exist please.
The deep state refers to special interests, mostly US based, in fossil fuels, pharma, animal ag (pharma's biggest client), agrochemicals, arms, tech, banking and media.They, of course, staged the fear around a pandemic which was made easy by pharma sponsored medical education and research already misunderstanding the nature of disease. The system claims that ill health is the absence of the appropriate pharmaceutical. They naturally oppose no virus as this means no vaccine, IVM or HCQ to make money from. They don't mind calls to shut down biolabs, which get lots of grants for playing with harmless RNA fragments in bat poo, as they'll continue somewhere else anyway or find some other angle.
Globalists on the other hand are apparently an evil cabal bent on depopulation, though there's no evidence for a depopulation, nor would it be in the interests of the deep state. The globalists also somehow faked the climate crisis and altered 100s or 1000s of measurements. The globalists want to control us with climate policies and to stop us using fossil fuels and eating animals. This isn't in the interests of the deep state either.
Have globalists been purified, isolated and characterised? Is there evidence for their existence through depopulation? No. Just lots of income generation through increased morbidity from pharmaceuticals.
I think globalists are the psyop created by the deep state to make a backlash that got a climate crisis denier in the White House, who is currently suing companies who divest from fossil fuels.
All I know is that they faked a pandemic and used it against populations worldwide. Every measure taken was anti-human, deliberately engineering fear and hysteria, social isolation, restricting movement, segregating and locking up the elderly and vulnerable in nursing and care homes while making sure they were on the receiving end of the most draconian covid measures, cutting off essential services which again caused the greatest damage to the vulnerable, indiscriminate invasive testing which they also used as a means to control people and movement, children were denied proper education, medical services were severely restricted, there was hospital abuse in which they completely isolated patients. Whatever Covid was or was not the damage caused by the pandemic response was horrific and not one person responsible for this travesty has been held accountable.
Viruses have never been proven to exist, and I will go so far to say they do not exist
I agree 1000% The Isolation is the problem. You can not have a culture full of toxins and tell me the virus killed the cell. Isolation means exactly that. The partical alone by itself. They have never taken sputum from a “sick” person and a) shown a virus b) made the healthy person sick. Ever! Take the hoax that is rabies. You get bit and potentially get rabies but we can't test the saliva of the “rabid” dog. We have to kill it to tell. That is dumb! The person who wrote this column has not looked into the fraud pasture. Nor do they know how the body works. There is no outside invisible boogieman out to get you. Its your lifestyle that's making you tox-sick!
Oh psychological fear
As far as any pandemic there was none whatsoever- the data on this is irrefutable. Those who repeat this lie do a great disservice to everyone by reinforcing this lie. Not only does the "pandemic" narrative serve to cover up the fact that it was mass murder directly attributable to policies mandated by identifiable individuals but it serves as a smokescreen for the entire "Covid" operation that is steamrolling people's lives.
The biggest problem with promoting this lie is that those who promote are not just simply wrong but their insistence on using some iteration of the “lab leak” red herring covers up the actual crimes that were committed.
The "lab leak/targeted spraying/GoF" theories do not hold water and cover up what actually happened which was straight forward mass murder in nursing homes and hospitals. This had nothing whatsoever to do with a "viral event" and all to do with administrative slaughter and hospicide. All of the “Covid deaths” are fraudulent and inventions from the Pharma/medical/media cartel. The vast majority are medical murder.
We have not been and are not facing what RFK Jr. termed “a mismanaged pandemic,” a stance supported by the majority of “health freedom” celebrities. What we are dealing with is fraud, tyranny and mass murder.
I tried to get people to stop taking the vaccines. I couldn’t stop my daughters because they wanted to travel. I told everyone I knew, and many people I didn’t know, not to take the vaccine. I stopped a few people, but that’s all. I tried my hardest, but most people had to take it for their job or to travel! I’d rather stay home, but I’m not like the majority.
We are dealing with fraud tyranny and mass murder., let’s agree on that . Let’s agree to disagree on the exact nature of the element that caused Illness . Call it a virus or a particle or whatever. Let’s agree the Covid measures including injectables lockdowns school closures and terrible protocols etc caused so much more harm .
Also both points of vue can both be true . There may have been an element spread in the atmosphere by whatever maybe planes/ drones ( ie mass “ vaccination” ) and there may have been something that came from a lab. Let us accept differences of opinion and fight censorship coercion and murder together
Meryl, there is 1 and only 1 way to show that no-virus people are wrong. And you have been challenged on multiple occasions to do it but failed every time... just like the hundreds of "health" and "science" institutions that were FOI'd.
Love you Christine! I love reading your comments and seeing how you’re really trying… I’m afraid some people are just so set in their views that they just don’t need to look at the evidence of the utterly fraudulent ‘isolation process’. I do feel sad when people clearly understand the Rockefeller/allopathic medical cartel takeover and can’t stretch their minds to consider the possibility that virology is just another aspect of the fraudulent cartel’s strategy to control medicine… Xx
Thank you so much Michael. Bit by bit, we are making headway. It would have been so much faster if the "experts" like Meryl weren't fighting the truth every step of the way. Cheers.
Virus in Latin means toxin or poison. Old Merck Manuals defined a virus as the smallest parasite. They have never been able to take a direct swab or smear from a sick person and isolate a virus. So if they made something in a lab, it is probably a toxin or some synthetic poison. I agree with Drs. Sam and Mark Bailey, Dr. Tom Cowan, Dr. Andrew Kaufman, PhD in Virology, Stefan Lanka, and others who have never found a true sample of an isolated virus. Dr. Milton Rosenau tried very thoroughly to infect healthy people with the Spanish Flu directly from very sick people, and did not succeed in making 1 healthy person sick. Many believe the rash of sickness in 1918 was from the recent mandatory injection of the Smallpox Vaccine. People who escaped the vaccine didn’t get sick.
Word analysis is always prescient and useful. What a fantastic contribution.
The Virus fraud is front row and center due to Covidiocy. The facts, science, and history you relay are evidentiary.
Also never ending TDS!
The assertion that rejecting the existence of SARS-CoV-2 means there is no need to investigate biowarfare labs is a non sequitur—it does not logically follow. If anything, the opposite is true: if these labs are fabricating a pandemic narrative around a non-existent virus, then they absolutely warrant deeper scrutiny.
1. Existence Must Be Proven, Not Assumed
Science is not a matter of belief but of evidence. No virus has been isolated in accordance with the scientific method, and conflating poisoned cell cultures with viral isolation is a sleight of hand, not rigorous methodology.
The burden of proof lies with those claiming the virus exists. Handwaving the absence of legitimate isolation does not transform assumptions into facts.
2. Fake Pathogens Still Serve Real Agendas
Whether or not a virus exists has no bearing on whether biowarfare programs should be investigated. If these programs are manufacturing a global deception, using fraudulent gain-of-function narratives to justify mass surveillance, draconian policies, and medical tyranny, then they demand far more investigation, not less.
If these labs are producing actual biological agents, that too is a separate matter that should be scrutinized regardless of whether a virus exists.
3. Logical Contradictions in the Narrative
The claim assumes that if SARS-CoV-2 isn’t real, then no harm has been done—ignoring the colossal fraud, social engineering, and economic devastation inflicted by the response to this 'pandemic.'
If the pandemic is based on fraudulent science, then it is even more important to investigate the perpetrators behind the deception, including their financial and political motives.
4. The Treatment Fallacy
Any discussion of the ‘benefits’ of treatments like HCQ or ivermectin for a virus that has never been proven to exist is fundamentally flawed.
More importantly, propping up false premises to justify treatments only reinforces the broader deception rather than dismantling it.
5. PsyOp Projection
Ironically, the very concern raised—that "no-virus" claims are a psyop to distract from biowarfare origins—can be flipped on its head. What if the virus narrative itself is the psyop, constructed to justify a bioterror framework, perpetual biosecurity policies, and mass medical interventions?
If "gain-of-function" is based on an unproven entity, the real function gained is control, not 'virology.'
Conclusion
Rejecting the existence of an unproven virus does not mean rejecting investigations into criminal enterprises masquerading as science. On the contrary, it makes those investigations more urgent. The issue is not whether biowarfare labs exist—it’s whether they are creating deadly pathogens or manufacturing narratives to justify the medical-industrial complex’s stranglehold on society.
There is no evidence "viruses" with pandemic potential can be created even if one believes in this con. Covid was a political and sociological phenomenon featuring a low-grade imaginary spikey guy with a huge marketing budget.
It's much more important to shut off the source of the narrative propaganda. People who still cling to this garbage are being played. GoF, lab leak etc. are an “approved” stories. They want people obsessing over origin to distract them from the policy-related slaughter of the last 5-years.
It also preserves the “pandemic preparedness industry” via which big corporations can siphon trillions from taxpayers. The lab leak sci-fi bogus theory is intended to provide 'justification' for future lockdowns and other biosecurity horrors.
Lab leak narrative is used to shore up “deadly novel virus suddenly appeared” narrative.
The constant drumbeat and ramping up of the lab leak hysteria is a massive red herring to save the Pharma/pandemic and bio security industrial complex which reinforces the need for the global “pandemic preparedness” initiatives presently in the works. $$ and control.
That's the entire purpose of these blatantly staged "leaks"; to portray what was a concerted, deliberate operation of mass-murder undertaken by the ENTIRE RULING-CLASS as the individual evil &/or negligence of a few key men.
The germ hypothesis has been and is an extremely effective RC weapon over a century to repress, poison, dispossess, starve, and enslave us, which is why it’s existentially crucial to debunk it and call out, well-meaning or not, those who promote it.
The one thing that The Powers That Shouldn’t Be fear is losing their narrative to the truth that SARS-CoV-2 never existed in the first place. While logically you can never prove that something doesn’t exist (the famous Australian black swans), with items of importance, if you claim that something exists, then you must provide evidence, and preferably ironclad evidence.
Lose the existence of SARS-CoV-2, everything else in their narrative swirls down the toilet (where they belong) including the fake covid-19 illness, the fake rt-PCR test, the fake reasons for lockdowns which killed the economy, the fake masks, the fake debate between whether the fake “novel virus” originated with a love match between a bat and a pangolin or the one favored by conservatives, by gain-of-function at the Wuhan Lab of fake Virology, killing people in hospitals by the thousands with Remdesivir and ventilators, and most of all, the need to inject billions of arms with neurotoxins made by serail felons who reap big money off the con job.
Masterful. Well written!
Great analysis. If you have time, please comment on my observations, below, on the role of the spike protein.
HUGE THANKS!! I'll reply to your post shortly.
"Do you see how denying the existence of a virus plays into the globalists’ hands?"
The False Dilemma: Who Really Benefits?
The claim that rejecting the existence of a virus somehow “plays into the globalists’ hands” is a textbook false dilemma—a deceptive attempt to force a choice between two flawed options. In reality, accepting a fictional virus plays directly into the hands of those orchestrating the deception, reinforcing their ability to impose control through lockdowns, mandates, digital health IDs, and endless booster shots.
If the virus narrative is false, then all the restrictive policies justified by it collapse—including the surveillance state, gain-of-function fear-mongering, and the financial windfall for pharmaceutical giants. The globalist agenda thrives on perpetual crises, and nothing fuels it better than an invisible, ever-mutating fictitious pathogen. By challenging the very foundation of this illusion, one is not aiding globalists but undermining their primary mechanism of control.
In contrast, defending the virus narrative—whether to justify ‘treatments,’ debate the false dichotomy of lab vs. zoonotic origins, keeps the fraud alive. The burden is not on skeptics to explain how rejecting a lie empowers the liars; the real question is why some insist on defending a narrative that only serves to sustain their power.
I have stopped trusting anyone who uses the word "globalist" (I don't mean you, as you're quoting others' use of it). It's a vague term with no clear referent and partly a relic of McCarthyism. Most of the "medical freedom" movement are right wingers, so they don't want to use an obviously correct and clear term -- ruling class, or even better, the transnational ruling class -- because these terms are associated with socialism and Marxism, allegedly the ultimate enemies.
MASSIVE THANKS!!
Causality. To my thinking the question/debate is, are viruses the cause of a type of disease or the effect of a type of disease? And by disease I mean the origin of the word, dis-ease.
There are countless tests that show replication isn't a certainty, other conditions must be present for the introduction of what is called virus to make more of itself. Either in a Petri dish or host.
Are there somethings that viruses are associated with that are causal or are viruses themselves causal? And there's no settled science about that.
To make these statements isn't to deny or affirm the existence of viruses. These are just facts. And if there is something that viruses are associated with, that they are the byproduct of, instead of the 'villain' themselves there could/would still be room for concepts like viral spreading that we would want to know, whether cause or effect.
In short, both sides may very well possess truth. And probably the most likely answer, since neither represent certitude, both have flaws to poke at.
If my thinking is true then the debate can get past the do/don't viruses exist stage and enter into the only one that matters which is how do we improve the health outcomes of a population when it meets whatever virus is, cause or effect, in order to reduce dis-ease in it.
And the best way to do that is found in the Terrain theory of disease which is to improve the overall health of the population by improving diet, exercise, decreasing exposure to contaminants including chemicals, engineered food, harmful frequencies, getting proper sleep, sun exposure, etc.
Prioritizing improving our terrains as individuals and society-wide is the absolute best medicine. Prevention. And has exponentially greater efficacy than any man-made product that Big Pharma can come up with. Which is the rationale of MAHA's priority. Under Pareto's 80-20 principle that focus will produce 80% of the reduction in dis-ease in a population no matter how much virus causal/effectual is circulating in the environment.
I agree that the debate is a distraction, and think that it's not necessary to take sides. The solution is starting at home, improving one's own terrain and health. And requires nobody to do anything to protect you or others. We own our health outcomes that result from how we take care of ourselves. Being selfish in that sense is the best public policy of all, relies on and obligates nobody else. Taking personal responsibility is the most important part of growing up and surviving a world full of hazards.
Collectivized health is parents, authoritarianism that enables irresponsible children to misbehave, free of consequences; it's blame-shifting. That results in collective punishment, even of the adults who grew up and are self-responsible.
The obese women who yelled at me to wear a mask in the supermarket - while their shopping cart was full of soda and junk food - were the biggest threat to themselves they faced. Not my free face. Sames.
There is nothing to debate as virus pushers have never demonstrated any alleged virus in reality.
I myself dont know for sure if viruses dont exist but I am suspicious of anyone who outright dismisses it. After what they did with Covid, everything weve ever been told should rightfully be coming into question.
Very well stated!!
Love your comment.
Dear Meryl,
This post deals with your assertions of evidence for SARS-Cov-2.
Best wishes
Mike
https://www.woodhouse76.com/p/on-dividing-a-resistance-the-existence/comment/102335597
“I am willing to go on record to say that Andrew Kaufman, MD (a psychiatrist, not a molecular biologist, who got his undergrad degree in the same department I did at MIT--Biology) who is quoted in the piece, is wrong and ignorant, besides. As are others.”
This argument is a textbook example of ad hominem and appeal to authority fallacies rather than an engagement with the actual claims being made. Here’s why:
1. Ad Hominem Fallacy
The statement dismisses Andrew Kaufman’s arguments based on who he is rather than addressing the validity of his claims.
Whether Kaufman is a psychiatrist, a molecular biologist, or a janitor at MIT has no bearing on whether his arguments about virus isolation are correct. Scientific arguments stand or fall on evidence and reasoning, not credentials.
Calling him “ignorant” without refuting his points is a classic character attack, not a legitimate counterargument.
2. Appeal to Authority Fallacy
The argument subtly implies that because the critic also studied biology at MIT, their opinion carries weight. But education or credentials do not automatically make someone correct.
Scientific conclusions must be debated based on methodology, logic, and empirical evidence, not institutional affiliation.
Many highly credentialed scientists have been wrong in history. Science progresses by challenging assumptions, not by deferring to authority.
3. Lack of Substance
The statement makes zero effort to engage with Kaufman’s specific claims.
Which of his points are wrong? Why? What evidence contradicts them?
Without addressing the core argument—such as the lack of proper viral isolation—the dismissal is baseless rhetoric rather than a scientific rebuttal.
Conclusion
This statement does nothing to disprove Kaufman’s arguments. Instead, it relies on credentialism, personal attacks, and appeals to authority rather than substantive critique. If Kaufman is wrong, it should be demonstrated through reasoned analysis of his refutations of ‘virology’ not name-calling and resume comparisons.
The people who are explaining the missing virus problem and dismantling virology have done substantial work that rises above the level of probable cause. And as such, it deserves to be acknowledged and understood.
None of this is a "narrative" or a claim. It is a reasonable case, and if it's incorrect, then it can be refuted by specific proof — such as one paper saying that "SARS-CoV-2" has been sequenced from wild, live virion found in a diseased human host.
The failure to address or acknowledge the substantial nature of the matter — a matter of crucial public concern — exceeds malpractice and in my considerable experience, constitutes fraud on the public. The same hapless public that fell for the purported claims of "science" the first time and frankly every other time.
Health freedom leaders are doing Fauci's job better than he ever could have.
So when are you going to discuss the question of whether a virus exists in the wild with Drs Mark & Sam Bailey, Meryl ??
They never asked me. Probably afraid to.
If I can set it up, are you in, Meryl?? Probably a tough call - I'm sure the Baileys are absolutely petrified of what you can bring to the table!!
Ah, yes! Meryl the Magnificent has been 'isolating' 'viruses' for ages using her time-honored, foolproof technique: absolutely wrecking cell cultures with a five-star chemical onslaught. Let’s break down her prestigious protocol, shall we?
First, she lovingly douses a monkey kidney cell culture in a gourmet cocktail of cytotoxic ingredients: antibiotics (to nuke the microbiome and ensure no pesky bacteria survive to challenge the ‘viral’ fairytale), starvation medium—because if the cells stayed healthy, how would we blame a ‘virus’?—and a dash of fetal bovine serum—because nothing screams ‘scientific rigor’ like drenching cells in slaughterhouse byproducts to help them break down.
Then, to really bring the magic to life, she adds a splash of trypsin, a pinch of detergents, and some high-dose chemical reagents that scream we're making ‘isolation’ history, folks!—by making sure the cell culture breaks down faster than a reality TV star under pressure!
And what happens next? Drumroll, please! The cells—shriveled, poisoned, and gasping for mercy—begin to break down in a dramatic performance known as the "cytopathic effect." But wait! This isn’t a tragic collapse caused by the toxic ingredients, oh no! This, dear friends, is irrefutable evidence of an elusive, invisible, never-purified 'virus'! Voilà! Meryl has done it again—‘isolation’ complete!
No need for controls (that’s for haters and skeptics). No need for purification (because who has the time?). Just pure, unadulterated scientific wizardry. And if you question it? Well, that just means you don’t understand real viroLIEgy.
Bravo, Meryl. Bravo, Tomas!!
Perhaps you and Dr. Lee Merritt could have a discussion. She is presenting a 7 part series on viral theory on her Medical Rebel channel on Rumble called "The Flying Unicorn." Parts 1, 2/3 and 4 are now up. A link to part 1...
https://rumble.com/v6o3gq9-the-flying-unicorn-theory-my-review-of-viral-theory.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp
I don't think you quite know how Kiwis operate Meryl, lol
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No. They don’t claim to have proof of non existent of anything.
You know perfectly well that the scientific method cannot prove the non existence of anything.
The idea of the virus is that of a self-replicating toxin. Toxins, poisons, whatever, are supposed to be organic molecules that lack the ability to self-replicate. If a person has more and more quantity of toxin as the disease progresses, there are only two possibilities: someone is adding the toxin (parasites or bacteria or nurses or doctors or spies) or the toxin is a special case, because it manifests self-replication.
To show this claim is true, it is necessary to provide evidence. That is to say, that scientists have actually observed and quantified this observable phenomenon.
Given that this has not been observed, the claim was altered: it's not self-replication, but parasitic replication; the toxin is very smart and takes control of the replicating machinery of animal cells, including the ability to transform energy. Thus, the virus concept took control of the minds of people.
As things are today, most people believe, without evidence, that viruses are real. We simply assumed that someone has observed it, confirmed, explained it, quantified it. We take the stuff from textbooks as the truth. Validated, real, authentic, precise and proven truth.
Then, we say, "well, nothing is ever settled in science, any claim can be refuted, this is not a religion." But it has been refuted. Since the beginning. Many times. Astonishing!
Every time the claim was transformed to overcome the refutation, a new refutation was articulated, and ritually ignored, because this is politics. Public Health is a materialistic method of mass-controlling human beings. Live stock management, if you will.
For me, it's very interesting the entire process: we want a method of controlling people that is not based in a mystical concept. We design one such concept (contagious disease through viruses), then proclaim that it is real, and then we spend 130+ years pretending there are no objections to this lie. The lie is real because we ignore the refutations.
But, if this is science, then simply show the proof that viruses are real observable objects of Nature, and then, and only then, that they cause disease that can be transmitted.
If you cannot do that, the entire concept should be thrown away. That's science, as the Government-run schools taught us. And even that may be wrong, but the most important thing here, for me, is that it's not possible for most people to even begin to consider that they were fooled.
As years pass, it becomes more difficult to admit the truth.
Thomas, you are alive because you were never in danger from a lab created virus. And that also goes for everyone else. But many people were murdered for political purposes. That is the truth of this case, and the virus was the cover story. And a tremendous damage to the lives and the property of everyone has been produced. We should stop inventing excuses for our enemies, who want to kill us.
<< No one ever has grappled with these arguments. Even when I get 1,000 comments on a post about "No-Viruses." That is the tipoff that the deep state is running this psyop. >>
This is some of the most tortured "logic" I've ever read. You are essentially arguing that the underlying scientific reality is a function of presumed political and budgetary evidence. Such evidence is indirect and circumstantial.
Meryl Nass you know damn well that zero evidence for these fairy-tales has ever turned up.
I call your bluff. I know you will ignore this.
£10,000 to you for any evidence any of these in silico assembled Genomes have ever existed in the real world.
I do not think it is possible for someone in your position to genuinely be this unaware.
You know damn well what you are doing.
Dr. Nass, I'm a big fan of your work. I don't know if viruses exist or not. However, I would like to state some points in differing with your view here.
1. Denis Rancourt's work has demonstrated that there was not evidence of a deadly circulating pathogen in 2020.
2. Jessica Hockett and her cohorts have provided strong evidence that the "covid hot spots" in 2020 are not at all substantiated and large-scale fraud is likely in play (in NYC, Bergamo Italy, and elsewhere).
3. TPTB use axioms, often not revealed to the public, from which they roll out their tyranny. They have postulated domestic terrorism by Christians/Trump supporters, for example, and acted accordingly during the last administration. They don't really care what any of us think or what rabbit holes we want to go down. So even if "no virus" is completely false, I don't see it changing the trajectory of what they are doing at all.
4. GOF research can be quite deadly even if viruses don't exist and we should oppose it as you have done. The book "Bitten" discusses the weaponization of ticks and the creation of Lyme Disease for example.
5. Even if viruses don't exist, bacteria, mold, parasites, toxins, and synthetic toxins (such as synthetic venoms) do exist. Not to mention radiation, atmospheric particulate dumps ("chemtrails"), and other weaponized things in food and elsewhere. All this weaponized GOF research, in all of its forms, needs to be eliminated.
6. TPTB's propaganda arm ridicules anyone who attempts to expose them or state alternate truths. It is true that "no virus" is much less acceptable than claims for Ivermectin, etc, and thus easier to ridicule. However, the truth is the truth and that is the only place I want to go.
7. The book "Can you catch a cold?" details the numerous failed experiments in trying to demonstrate sick-to-well disease transmission. It does offer some alternate theories.
8. As I understand it, Virology involves taking a bunch of stuff (some toxic), including matter from a sick person, mixing it all up, putting it with cherry-picked cell lines, seeing them die off and calling this evidence that it was caused by a virus. They do have electron microscope images of things that look a lot like exosomes that they claim are viruses but this proves nothing.
9. People, whatever the cause, do get sick with respiratory illnesses and other problems. The fight to be able to use IVM, HCQ, and other remedies needs to continue. "No virus" is irrelevant to this fight for medical choice.
10. If Virology should be downgraded to "unproven hypothesis", which I believe it should, and enough people can come to this realization, then the whole notion of vaccines against them etc. falls apart. It is idealistic to think this might happen, but I go where the evidence leads. Yes, they supposedly have created complete nucleotide sequences of the virus, but this just proves the gargantuan nature of what they have created, based on the very shaky foundation of virology.
11. My experience with colds, supposedly caused by viruses, is not one of catching it from someone. I had a cold some weeks ago, wife didn't get it. Four weeks after I got well, she got one (for 5 days now) and I'm not getting it. I don't mean to be crude, but ill-timed sexual release, experientially, is much more causative of getting or extending a cold than catching it from someone else.
Money? Why am I not getting any money, lol?
Meryl, I still do not see any irrefutable proof of any alleged biological virus and alleged nucleotides in your article and your links. Existence of exosomes is not proven too. Not to mention so-called no virus people were talking about agendas of usurpers-parasites since 2020. Also you forgot that no virus people have been censored on social media platforms in 2020 too. So how alleged deep state loves their narrative if they censor it?
And no one has to explain what made or makes people sick to point out of lack of valid evidence of bio viruses and nucleotides.
They have not been censored on my platforms! Their bark is loud!
And still, no one grapples with the actual arguments! Why is that?
But you do not have a platform as youtube and facebook. The only platform which was not censoring as much was twitter. And I know it because I am one of so-called no virus people. I was actually one of first of them who properly investigated virology be checking what methods and tools are used for observation and isolation of viruses.
Not to mention I was also warning people about agendas of usurpers-parasites at the same time like intentional culling, maiming and stricter slavery.
You guys seem to be late to the part if you think that you are first talking about Great Reset.
Here was your golden opportunity to show Dr. Nass up. Your golden chance, so you punt. Brilliant. Bragging about your empty accomplishments. Your investigations my ass.
"Why is that?" Can't and won't give a straight answer.
I already showed her a long time ago. But she is still keep bringing the same arguments which were debunked back then.
You clearly have nothing valid on me. Lol.
If this were a boxing match, you threw in the towel, by evading her direct challenge. You got knocked out!
It's the quality of the responses. Your side mix jargon and arrogance in a very unseemly way. You present as the worst kind of experts, know-it-alls.
If you could guide people to a conclusion without insulting smart people you might have a chance. Your use jargon unfamiliar to us and pretend you are in some kind of secret society with inside knowledge.
You don't go toe to toe with Dr. Nass because you can't. All you got is copy and paste. Depth or integrity, nil
I already challenged her directly and she failed to provide evidence for viruses, nucleotides, pathogenic bacteria and infectious diseases.
And I am one of the best who is able to deal with those subjects.
And no. You and Nass are not smart people because if you were then you were able to find out on your own that those things are not proven.
I dominate you all intellectually.
Yes, some people can still do it there. Or some comments are shadow banned and can only be visible if you set them from newest to oldest. And some accounts are shadow banned, so if they use specific words those comments will be removed. That is why I had to use terms like biological particles that cause diseases. But they censored them too for me. So now I use a term particles that cause issues. "Deep state" must love me very much.
I get it now. Social media has banned your BS so you come here, right. Got it!
But rather than treat Dr. Nass as a colleague you treat her as if she banned you. Which she hasn't but after this show of malice, place is crawling with scum, hope springs eternal.
What do not you understand? That what she says is untrue?
No, she is not my colleague. She supports lies like germ theory. Even if evidence has been presented to her a long time ago that debunks it.
This show of organized crime has impressed me deeply. That so many show up here spouting trite generalities, confirms her status as someone to be respected. She is an obvious threat to TPTB.
How is she the enemy? She is not powerful or wealthy. Your gang of bullies, can barely write. I read someone who says they are Yeadon. No the man is a doctor, sloppy English is not part of his schtick. So fraud is going on in a big way and you are part and parcel of it.
But oh yeah a chorus of gratuitous upvotes, when read it's schlock. Copy and paste malarkey. Drivel.
If you mislead people knowingly, then it is not helpful. And she does this as evidence has been provided to her a long time ago.
Also your English is laughable. Typical illogical drivel.
I guess you and her work for TPTB. And what do you think that TPTB does with useful fools at the end?