Unable to get retribution, some take aim at the Malones. Does this remind you of the guy who gets beaten up by his boss, then comes home and kicks the dog? We need to stop eating our own.
Dr. Nass, your defense of Dr. Malone is impeccable, and is summed up very well in your sentence: "Did he know the vaccines were toxic and fail to warn us? If he knew they were toxic, he and his wife would not have gotten vaccinated—but they did. That alone should end this conversation."
Freedom-loving people would do well to remember one of the evil, totalitarian Left's most useful strategies: "Divide and Conquer."
Seems like since Malone invented a huge part of the technology, he should have known better than to take the shots. That he got fooled like others is not a valid excuse at all! That makes him a fool, and yes billions of others a fool. He of ALL people should have totatlly known the shots were harmful. Of course!! He of all people knows the propert testing protocals, he knows how long it takes to make a safe vaccine! He knows!! Or he darn well should have. He also should have totally known about other vaccines causing autism as CHD reports all the time. Being in the business he should have known that the Pharma companies have been sued for billions for horrible products! It is his business to know. So I can not buy the ' he got fooled' excuse. If he is such a smart guy why didn't he know a heck of alot more factual science about vaccines and the Covid 19 shots? He should have. He took two of them! He took shots not knowing the ingredients! How smart is that?
I think what's important is that Malone stuck his neck way out to oppose the vaccines. So, he should get credit for standing up and fighting against evil, even if it took him a while to get to that point.
I also think that people who are opposed to the vaccines should recognize the good that he is doing *now* and spend their time and energy pushing back against the Covid totalitarians who are *still* trying to push Covid vaccines on people. Let's focus on the immediate threat to public health---people like Fauci and all the health officials like him.
Yes agreed, in part. Everyone has their own process. We need to allow everyone the opportunity to redress their false beliefs as they are messengers for countless others.
Those of us who are not new to this scandal are not in awe. Regarding the immediate threat at this point its damage control and way way too late for countless millions. Fortunately brilliant minds are working tirelessly in an attempt to undo or at least mitigate the damage. It ain't mainstream medicine that will deliver, its the Integrative Camp that will very likely produce tangible results. No more Get Out of Jail Free passes!
I’ve looked at George Webb quite extensively, and I have to say, I don’t trust him one but. He is either someone sent to see division by the government (most likely), or he is not the sharpest tool in the shed.
In some posts he had made quite the brag to James O’Keefe saying how he can show O’Keefe how real professional journalism is done. I have extreme doubts that he is professional or experienced however, as he is a terrible speller and very frequently gets people’s names incorrect. It’s really quite weird how often he does this actually, he might say their full name correctly early on in a piece, but then when he makes any accusations he often changes their first name to some other random name. Suspicious in my book.
And what does he actually say? He mentions names and places that we may not have heard of before, but he never really teaches us anything of substance about the connections between things. And he makes a lot of claims about things he’s found out being the smoking bullet etc, but they really don’t mean much at all. He seems all hot air. When I pointed out his frequent errors and questioned Webb, he immediately blocked me from posting on his Substack, with not a single attempt to explain.
Who is he? Where was he earlier in the pandemic? He’s just popped up seemingly out of nowhere and all he does is criticise people in the Medical Freedom movement. He’s causing us to eat our own. What has he done to actually help the cause? He seems to have only hurt it.
Contrast that with Malone who is always very logical and considered and clear with his message. I’ve learned so much from him, and it all checks out and makes sense. He’s always been very candid and careful to explain his role in things, and reasons to any allegations against him and they always make sense. Also, what he has done out of honour had not helped him or his reputation, it had basically ended his consulting career.
I know which I find more reliable. Look at the details, verify with outside info, ask what you are actually learning from this, and how does it help or hurt the cause. I think you will then see who is to be trusted.
Very astute commentary. Will look into G Webb who I assume is another whistle blower... Often if a rube shows up in the dust storm this person needs scrutiny as you point out. Malone is a very consistent excellent communicator. Still wonder why he is suing Dr. Breggin, I believe for 30 mil...
This talk, Feb 2022, must be somewhat prior to data that has come out. Malone tells the kids they don't need the vaccine, but for adults, he says it's up to them. Today we know that no one should ever take the vaccine, young, middle age, or elderly. It seems like Malone is oblivious to the Pfizer trials, proving the 3rd worse side effect of the vaccine is catching Covid. Also that 300 people died. He doesn't seem to know about the miscarriages, the disastrous effects of the vaccine on pregnancy. He doesn't seem to be aware of the thousands of healthy young people dropping dead, (Ed Dowd, "Cause Unknown"), Malone says side effects in young people are rare, he's wrong. His wife Jill seems to be more willing to tell the truth about the clot shots than he is. So I suspect that Malone would say entirely different answers today, than Feb 2022.
There WAS a mandate for international travel. MORE lies by people who just wanna crucify Malone because they MISTAKENLY believe he's responsible for formulating the quackcines. NO. HE. WASN'T--!!!!! Now LET THAT SINK IN, numbskulls.
There are alot of 'fools' running around the planet these days spewing vitriole, but Malone isn't one of them. Shoulda, coulda, woulda banter doesn't get us anywhere.
Nope-- You're dead wrong. Malone's gone on record M.A.N.Y. times in M.A.N.Y. places on the internet that THE VACCINES DID NOT USE THE SAME mRNA THAT HE SPECIFIED. THEY CHANGED THE FORMULATION AND THEY ALSO ADDED A COUPLE OF EXTRA PROTEINS. Sheeesh. How could he "darn well have known" that they'd DO that? PAY ATTENTION, Trollie.
Calling people fools for being duped by people and institutions they trusted is not helpful , not Christian and short-sighted to say the least.....this was a military grade psyop and up until 3 years ago, I too believed their bullshit. Malone and his wife and every other poor soul who were hoodwinked into taking this poison were nothing more than victims of human nature that was masterly manipulated by the bad guys.....you should thank God , he opened your eyes to the fraud and not be in such a hurry to cast stones....!!!🙏
If a person valued health as many did 4 decades ago, they simply considered the concept that vaccines could possibly deliver on the promise safe and effective.
Even then there was a clear crossroad. Malone and his wife claim to have taken the shot. Maybe, if so they took the WRONG road and should have known better. They are not your next door neighbor. The level of prominence has built in 1000x more responsibility. Follow the evidence. Every person leaves tracks in the sand. That is personal history and irreversible. Else where in this substack some rather brilliant minds did a much deeper dive. Being hood winked and thinking otherwise is not edifying your creator.
actually the word "fool" is Biblical and appropriate if wisely used. You seem not to comprehend that Malone is not your next door neighbor. He is top of the tree Health Care Professional and must be held to that high profile standard. So the word fool is in this case very appropriate...
And you seem to consider yourself both wise and of Christian scholarship....good....then you'll also be aware of " let he who is without sin cast the first stone " ....you're a little too judgemental , a little too unforgiving and only half as smart as you think you are.....in the end , the standard will be determined by God....not by folks like you...!
Your argument is weak in the respect that you would like to blame the inventor of the syringe for every heroin overdose and you discard than a platform delivery invention is the same as a toxic injection
You dumbass! If you had followed Substack and everything they were talking about very early, much earlier than the rest of the alphabet idiots.
They were providing information for all who would read and critically evaluate it but so many (maybe you) were part of those who did not listen or read.
Go back over the years of this and read what they were saying and asking for people to evaluate and decide.
Obviously, you have been incapable of doing either.
Did he ever push them? No. What do you care if he chose to take them for whatever reason and immediately regretted it? Again, he never pushed them on anyone, even when he took them. There is no hypocrisy on his part. Have you ever believed something your government told you? If so, do you think you are stupid?
You have this exactly right including using the word fool. A high profile medical professional must be held to a very high standard and as you mention there is NO EXCUSE.
That said I do fully appreciate his current efforts in the haze. He is not denouncing Quaxcines so much as denouncing the current Quaxcine for Covid. Might as well clean the whole house...
Hi Tanya... I don't condone anyone who is hateful, bigoted, or prejudiced. When it comes to the COVID lockdowns, propaganda against early cures, and deadly vaccine mandates, I think that all freedom-loving people should unite to defend against totalitarianism. When I say "Left," I'm talking about the totalitarian Left like Marxists who generally have no respect for human life. Selfish, money-driven megalomaniacs like Fauci are also opponents of freedom and human life and must be held accountable.
It is, however, true that the Divide and Conquer strategy can be morally used by freedom-loving forces against evil totalitarians.
The two keys, I think, are: should evil totalitarians be opposed? I say "yes."
And, once totalitarian forces are successfully stopped, should we then seek to transform enemies into friends, as the Allied Forces did with Germany and Japan after WWII? Yes, again. (As long as we are not naïve about the actual "transformation" of those former enemies.)
Ultimately, I believe that all humans need to reach a deep recognition of their commonality as "the human race," and seek to find peace and freedom centered on the virtues of love, kindness, and compassion. *FREEDOM* is a key component that must not be ignored, because without freedom, life becomes a hell of slavery. Nobody wants that except the slave-holders.
I wish. :-) But thank you. I guess that one of the issues I'm focused on is how to propagate a world of love and freedom while opposing totalitarianism, which of course is anti-love and anti-freedom. The root dilemma is in the human soul. I don't think it can be solved by politics, but must eventually be resolved by a spiritual awakening across the world and then maintained by truly comprehensive spiritual education from birth.
A large number of people have been miseducated about God and the ethics of love and freedom over the last hundred years (and of course long before that, too). One example is Marxism. How can we not only defeat it but prevent its rise again? I think only with education about its fallacies, but also with education about the better path to replace it.
Yes, to peace, love, freedom. However, your comments about the "totalitarian left" and Marxists sounds like all the propaganda of the Right which throws those words around like weapons without any understanding of what they mean. One funny thing about using that language as ad hominems is that Marx was very pro-worker and anti-capitalist, the owner class of his day I wish people would stop using language designed to create fear and hatred and divisiveness.
Hi Tanya.... just study the history of Marxism around the world. Over 100 million people murdered in the 20th century. The Chinese Communist Party is now harvesting organs from living people. North Korea is worse than 1984. Pol Pot killed millions with a hoe to the back of the head. Look at life in Stalin's Russia and in East Germany.
Marxism riles people up against injustice (which often exists) and then replaces it with tyranny that is much, much worse.
Many progressives like yourself are good-hearted people who want to help the down-trodden. The horrible fact is that Marxism---when applied---creates a hell that is much worse. This fact has escaped the notice of many good-hearted progressives. In other cases, they know it well and support it.
In terms of hateful language, Vladimir Lenin said this:
"We must be ready to employ trickery, deceit, law-breaking, withholding and concealing truth… We can and must write in a language that inspires hate, revulsion and scorn toward those who disagree with us."
Correction: over 200 million people killed by their Communist/Marxist governments. China alone racked up about 80 million, according to their statistics.
I had been using 150 million, I think based on Rummel's research. But the Victims of Communism Foundation states 100 million, so I went with that to avoid innumerable questions. And 100 millions is a LOT.
if a fool is a person who is consistently foolish, shall we not call a fool a fool?
If yes then "we" are spreading division and are divisive, hating spreading hatred, let facts and history lesson take a back seat... It is clear you know the answers and are trying to educate those who know not
Peter--must disagree and call your attention to the difference betw what an ideology is about and what people do with it. A good deal of what you talk about has nothing to do with Marxism but raw totalitarianism under any name. I can note Cuba and Venezuela as 2 non-totalitarian socialist countries. The problems they have are due to the sanctions by the US trying to squeeze those countries dry so the US and impose its dictatorial will on them. Cuba has socialized medicine despite losing every single doctor after their revolution. They have the best health care system in the world despite the difficulty they have due to US sanctions. Do you know they will still train anyone in the world to become a doctor for free! The 'fee' is that people go back to their own country and work in economically disadvantaged communities for about 3 yrs. Chavez was providing food, housing and health care to the people, again despite the US sancitions. ARe you aware that Citgo gas is a Venezuelan oil company but it is forced to keep its money in US banks where the US has stolen billions of dollars preventing Venezuela from accessing the monies that are theirs for use to build their own country. Talk about economic imperialism which is totalitarian.
I find it interesting that you quote Lenin on using deceit but don't seem to factor in the very same kind of language used by this country to control the press and promote American propaganda here at home and abroad. Where is the difference? None I think. The level of censorship has been revealed with this past 3 yrs of covid with people high up in the science community reporting how the decision was verbally made to shut any opposition talk down regardless of whether it is correct or not. We know the government has spent millions on promoting a narrative based solely on selling untested drugs they knew were harmful and continue to do so even when people like Fauci finally admits they don't work. We can go on forever on this. But it is not just the Dems, the GOP has also supported this. It just has a different communication style but the goals are the same. Control the public and get them divided and not able to talk to each other.
Hi Tanya.... I don't agree with your take on Marxism, or Cuba and Venezuela as non-totalitarian countries. So, looks like we'll just have to agree to disagree. :-)
You really do not seem to see that the Dems were choosen and accepted the role to promote the greatest insanity on earth. This is no vindication of sainthood for the 'Pubs just a very sober fact...
um, Solzhenitsyn had some wise words about how Marxism was used. Are you going to defend some of the dogma on the left that is obviously pushed to extremes meant to inflame? can you defend full term abortions? sterilizing, castrating, mutilating children over some odd gender beliefs? segregation and race based preferential treatment in the name of attacking racism with racism toward a different race? sending hundreds of billions to the most obvious money laundering corrupt war in history instead of spending a dime to clean up toxins in Ohio? Detroit? Everywhere? Continued willful ignorance of pharma destroying society with opiates and poison fraudulent vax?
We might agree on some things and not others. One disagreement is you buying in to t he Right propaganda which is quite good at distorting what opponents say. Abortion is not a legitimate issue for anyone but the woman who might need one. It has been used by the Right as a wedge issue based on some moral claim that doesn't exist. I have never heard anyone promote late term abortions unless the mother's life is threatened or the fetus is dead or so badly deformed it would not be able to live. Transgender issues are also blown way out of proportion and are also distorted as a wedge issue. People have no right to judge another person's personal identity and I dare say people have no understanding of what a person goes through when forced to identify as one gender when every part of their being tells them they are something else.. Straight people need to look at their own discomfort and deal with it--that is their problem and its time to stop dumping it on other people in discriminatory ways. I always subscribe to the principle that people are free to chose their own life as long as they don't harm others. That is my line in the sand. Freedom is not just for one side of the political divide--it is for everyone.. I agree about Ukraine and all wars for that matter. There has never been a war the US waged that was based on anything other than power and control. They never were about freedom which the US clearly does not support for anyone. The repressions under covid are a clear demonstration of this. And yes Ohio needs to be cleaned up. And so does the Detroit water issue and all the other toxic dumps in the US, etc, etc, etc. Pharma? Just another industry created for profit and control and never about health--ever! It's science is akin to what came to known as tobacco science, an apt ad hominem describing the fraudulent science and the propaganda promoted by that industry for decades before it was exposed in a successful legal challenge which took years to effect. I was really happy to hear RFK address the health issues in this country, particularly autism. And he did it so artfully avoiding using the V word which is already being used to mischaracterize him in a hostile way. I related to his comments about growing up and never seeing autism, or hearing about ADD/ADHD, and other autoimmune deficiency diseases. We did not have them. Kids all got their childhood illnesses and did not die of measles, mumps, chickenpox, etc. And there was no hysteria. That was another artificially created issue designed to sell vaccine drugs Actually, the argument for those drugs was about women being free to work without having sick kids at home--it was not about health. Another mantra for the corporate system's profit seeking.
I believe people use the terms Marxism and Communism when what they really mean is Totalitarianism - the placing of the State above the Individual (Nazis did this also, in addition to the Soviets). This involves extreme moral relativism, as well as the destruction of personal sovereignty and identity and familial bonds - anything that may get in between the Individual and stage the State.
So when I hear people say Communism and Marxism I just translate that to Totalitarianism. Americans were propagandised during the Cold War so much about what the evil Commies did, that’s where their mind goes when they think of oppressive control and censorship etc. But technically, what they mean is Totalitarianism.
Le Chat Noir, I agree. Using the terms Left and Right are ironically another trap we fall into that was set by the establishment to keep us fighting among ourselves and remain blind to where the real enemy is. The real division is between the masses of ordinary people and those wielding power over us - captured governments (from across the political 'spectrum') hand in hand with banks and big corporations. By demonising the Left (or Right) we do their dirty work for them! Let's start using the language that describes what we really mean.
Oh STOP IT, you three!! We who've been around a while have seen PLENTY of hate and bigotry from the Right. It's just that the New Left took a page out of their play book and are using it just as nastily and worse. This is about people behaving badly to get their way. To the point that they forgot their point.
no Mr Troll you are attempting to promote the false idea of equivalency to the very recent phenomenom and screaming about it. There is nothing remotely equivalent at this point. Suggesting something about a play book is simply useless
No I mean the right is rabidly hostile to anything that does not look like them. These culture wars are designed for divisive purposes and are promoted by the Right with insane lies and fear mongering and no focus on what are really important issues like jobs and people right to a living wage.
Looks like the divisiveness worked very well on you. The Right aren't in bed with the WEF, the Communist Chinese, Fascism, the Biden Crime Family, Woke-ism, Antifa, CRT, transgender psychosis; the government/social -media/MSM Censorship Goons, Fauci and his ilk, etc.
The D control school/universities, media, big tech, banks, CEOs, all major cities, sports, Hollywood, WH, Senate and Congress the 1st 2yrs, pushing sex onto a 7yo, castratirate and mutilate a 12yo antifa, censorship. ukraine/Russia and somehow the R is a threat to democracy? 🥴 The left mandates, coercion, called us grandma killers bullied and scared us into submission.. but we drew a hard line when the left came for the children! All bets are off .. this is the hill I will die on!
Idk .. I'm not about to get into someone's head. We teach our children to have tolerance and acceptance of oneself and others then they flip the script on us by pushing sex in school and sex toys for show and tell during school hours, gender affirm and trans woman is a woman but a woman is a cis. Get into women's sports and spaces and want to talk to kids. Tho I don't see trans man doing this shenanigans. So there is a big agenda here .. p£d.0.ph!le is pushing this. Their argument will be if a 10yo can consent to puberty blocker drug and surgery then they can consent to have sex with a 40yo man! Washington state just passed a law that if parents do not go along with their child gender affirm then the court will send CPS take that child away .. all democrats voted "yes" this is barbaric! How do destroy a country! You destroy within .. put a wedge between families like they did with c19 mandates and lockdowns and scared tactics. Hell .. the Democrat did a good job destroying the black communities the last 60yrs! Now they coming for the white family!
The W.H.O. agenda to sexualize children and normalize pedophilia
Tanya, can’t you see that both the Left and the Right do that? It’s all divide and conquer. You see that the culture wars are designed for divisive purposes, but then you forget that knowledge and blame the Right. If you stop and think for a moment, you’ll realise that from the position of a Right wing person in America, it looks like it’s all the Left being crazy and divisive. That’s how they cause division - make you think it’s all the other team being crazy and unreasonable. Your team seems obsessed with trans issues and censorship to the Right, which to them goes against reality and Western Democratic principles.
And you presumably believe one of the supposed “insane lies” of the Right - that these vaccines are harmful? I’m not trying to say the Right is correct on all this, I am for neither team anymore as I try to look above Team Coke vs Team Pepsi narratives. I’m just trying to show you that most people of the Right think perceive your team exactly the same was you perceive theirs, which suggests you are both being played.
Sadly, playing into the division game. Few of us embrace either political party but we go to lengths to root for "our" team. I would class myself as leaning toward a bit less government, more fiscal constraint. At the same time I don't care who you sleep with, how you dress or if you have any particular religion. Just please don't force yourself on me. To my mind the government has no business deciding how much anybody gets compensated. I can accept minimal national safety restrictions. So am I in which camp?
What do you mean by "government has no business deciding how much anybody gets compensated?' and what would "minimal national safety restrictions" look like?
I agree that what other people do in their bedroom is their own business and that goes for their religion as well. As long as you dont impose it on me. That, in effect, is exactly what the separation of church and State means and it should be better understood and followed. This was never meant to be a theocratic State and for good reason. There are issues we can legitimately discuss and hassle out in a democracy like what are our priorities and whether more than 1/2 our budget should go to a military especially without any oversight. But without transparency and freedom to debate issues we are all subject to organized narratives created by those powers that are pulling the strings from behind curtains and that has resulted in the mess we have now.
There is definitely truth to what you say. Those labels, as many others, are simply short cuts used to define a general position on whatever the issue may be. However, the language has been used to define divisiveness and as ad hominems. Further, each side of the political aisle has variations and there is a contnuum of positions that don't typically get defined. I will try to not use those words.
One thing critical is defining what freedom means. It also seems critical that it be defined within the context of a coherent society, what it means to live in a society and how tht society makes decisions. Some issues are universal and require developing broad understanding with efforts to meet the needs of people so they are not oppressed, repressed or defined out of existence. Self-determination for people's demographic and individual identity needs to be respected. Lots' to discuss for creating mutual understanding and respect.
IMO what is most problematic for people on both "sides" to grapple with is that freedom is an inalienable right, provided that we don't use that freedom to harm others or steal their stuff. otherwise, there must never be a limit on personal expression, or speech. the constitution codifies this. mutual understanding and respect arise from open debate, not a narrow window of politically correct discourse where the truth ministry requires us to hold our tongues lest we hurt some poor entitled creature's precious feelings.
if malone was really part of the movement, he'd drop his lawsuit against the breggins and the lawsuit against jane ruby. the breggins have done heroic work advocating for children and the least fortunate among us for six decades. jane ruby has been on the front lines from day one. those lawsuits are as classic as divide-and-conquer gets. until he drops them and apologizes, he's controlled op in my book. and not to be trusted.
However, $25 million lawsuits each are a pretty big flaw. Why not just settle privately for no money? None of his actions make logical sense if you understand freedom and care about humanity. It's like he's a child having tantrums. I've seen him speak about not dividing those in the freedom movement, yet he's the one doing it! He's doing exactly what we're all against. He would not allow George Webb, a journalist, into a conference he was speaking at because George Webb has been questioning malone's actions with many troubling agencies and companies within the last few years and his close ties to people in the CIA. He and his minion, Dr. Ryan Cole will not allow people to question them or speak their own truth. Astrid Stuckleberger was basically told to shut up by Dr. Ryan Cole (who at the beginning of learning about all of these atrocities, I applauded but now I can't understand why he's behaving as he is except that he's being told to) because she said there's graphene oxide in the shots and he and his boss, dr robert malone don't believe it. There are a lot of questions around malone not just whether he created the mRNA garbage and not just whether he got the shot. And, it makes absolutely no sense for someone in his position, with his knowledge base and connections to have taken such a knowingly toxic shot. None of that makes any sense. So is it actually true that he got the shots or is he making that stuff up? Who knows for sure but him and maybe his wife? For someone who's had severe side effects from the shots, he's very able to travel the world to speak nonstop at many events and conferences? It's all quite mysterious.
It does make sense that he took the shot, because although there’s plenty of malfeasance in medicine, plenty of drugs are safe and do what they are meant to as well. In his world he has to make certain assumptions of things being above board or you couldn’t get anything done. My Dad was on the board of a big Pharma company for years, he knows their dodgy antics, yet he still took the vaccines despite my pointing out to him why he shouldn’t. My friend, a medical physicist, still has implicit faith in the medical system despite now seeing how bad this vaccine is, because he says he can’t function in his job without that trust.
), it's NOT possible for something injected into the muscle to induce the proper antibodies that are needed for a respiratory infection. There has NEVER been a vaccine to cure the common cold or any respiratory infection and within in a matter of months (according to these "officials" who lied) they created the miracle cure? Come on. Also, the mRNA shots that were created and tested on animals killed all the animals and I learned that from Dr. Ryan Cole who is now tied to malone. And, you're telling me that malone wouldn't know ALL of that info. Someone like malone SHOULD know that ALL of that. It's his business to know it. I would be considered a lay person just like many here and we know all of that. How could malone a doctor and scientist (not a psychologist by the way - mass formation garbage) NOT know something these basic facts?
malone also knows how corrupt the system is because he worked(s) within it and he somehow very quickly wrote a book about it. How is he also an expert on that subject, too? Maybe he is but it's very interesting or rather perplexing how this guy who was very sick from these shots could write many very long substack posts a week, travel the world (that's why he got the shots so he says), talk at multiple conferences and events, tend to his very expensive horses, AND write a book that requires extensive research to validate the accusations. Perhaps, he's superhuman or maybe he's backed/supported by others. I think it's important for someone who has propelled himself up to such high standards (at least in his mind) and to such a high level of authority of a freedom movement to be completely transparent and completely open to anyone questioning him. Otherwise, yes, he appears to be hiding a lot and lying/deceiving.
And btw: drugs are very dangerous substances. I agree that they are useful when in true emergencies and critical situations but other than that NOPE. Most have so many toxins in them and are just there so people stay on them forever and need multiple ones or to suppress there emotions. Vaccines are also very dangerous. They have heavy metal and other toxic adjuvants in them that cause all kinds of damage to anyone they are put into. Our dog has high levels of flouride in his body most probably from the prozac he was given while at the rescue to calm him down. The garbage made his anxiety worse and that's what those types of drugs do. Nature is nature for a reason. The rockefellers started these poisonous pills, vaccines, etc to make more money and to kill people. It's that simple. Take a look at the flexner report and their history.
Would state emphatically that none of the aforementioned know anything useful about health. I am also credentialed, Doctorate degree, so not coming as an opinion piece. Some 33 years of clinical practice, not to blow my horn, just to point out it is not uncommon for propaganda to govern all things... Fools can be fooled.
At the same time know many 80 plus peeps that figured it out correctly, with about zero formal education and long before I might have considered it...
Really like the word fool, as its Biblical. Let me attempt to define. It is an individual, whose self opinion renders critical thinking skills mute and vociferous defends that which is patently false. Not trying to use it as a simple insult...
Malone is definitely suspicious! Until his ties with the CIA/Galloway are cleared up... people are not going to fully trust this man! Dr. Cole... I hope his support for his friend is not displaced? He has always been a truth teller.
When he first surfaced spoke at protest here in Maui. At that point he was saying all the right things and I also had your suspicion, in part or even mostly because he is a Virologist. A zebra can change its stripes but good luck finding one that has. Like E Musk, Malone both have loud far reaching bullhorns. Each man has done great things with their platform. If a restaurant is as good as its last meal, watch closely for defective activity. So far there are some infractions. Do not expect perfection do insist on consistency...
Yes. I thought so also, when Cole was at least one of the first, if not the first, to state that he saw an uptick in new cancers and a recurrence of cancers in the jabbed. That gave him immediate credence among those of us who contend that the jabs are synthetic biochemical weapons.
But to watch Cole state unequivocally that there are no graphene containing substances in the jabs, with no accompanying presentation of proof for his statement, was a bit much, given all of the evidence that belies such a statement. At that point, one had to question whether Cole, who is obviously an intelligent individual, is controlled opposition.
One reason I will give Cole some leeway is... he may think that ALL the vials of the, yes, bioweapon, are the same? Because NORMALLY that would be true. Sasha (and others) have shown that is not the case. The "quality control" (Brooke Jackson evidence) shows that not all vials contain same ingredients so... "maybe" Cole is under the illusion that one, or more, of the vials he has looked at represent ALL vials? Since Cole was one of the first coming out for Vitamin D to help folks... I just think his alliance/friendship with Malone is misplaced, sigh! We know that at least some of the vials DO contain graphene in them!
I do not think Webb is a real journalist. He may be a recent citizen journalist, but he claims a professionalism that I do not think he shows. I think he is an agent sent to sew division In the community. Nothing he says really educates or helps the movement, he only attacks our own, and he makes the most sloppy mistakes for a journalists. Gets people’s names wrong all the time, within one article even it will keep changing. And his spelling is bad for a journalist. Who is this guy that has just popped up. We know nothing about him, whereas we know Malone’s very well.
I wouldn’t let him in either because I don’t believe he asks genuine questions, he is there to muddy the waters.
if peter breggin takes exception to something i say, i listen because he's been around a lot longer than i have and he's a lot smarter.
jane ruby was the first person to give sasha latypova a platform. compare that with malone's incessant weaselwording and mucking around in the third world vax space when he thinks nobody's looking.
Just received Breggin's book a few days ago. It is nearly 650 pages.
Anything but a light read. If anyone knows why Malone is suing him, apparently for 30 mil, please chime in. Any appeal for curtailing "infighting" needs to squarely address this issue! Virologist are foxes guarding henhouse, but anyone can shift at any time. It does appear he has...
Well, if you have 6 hours to spare, J.J. Couey does a good analysis of the video with Brett Weinstein, Malone, and Kirsch (I've never watched Couey before and actually thought his take/insights were very interesting)
DARKHORSE Forgotten Friday -- Gigaohm Biological High Resistance Low Noise Information Stream ("unmasking experts")
I've got about an hour left on this JJ analysis. I watched the original "airing" way back when and I'll tell you the hindsight on this is illuminating.
I never watched it when it aired--was already suspicious at that point. But watching this with J.J. was yes, very illuminating--like right away when they reassured the sheep that they too could meet and have close conversations while unmasked if they were vaxxed or taking Ivermectin--nice way of reinforcing the narrative!!!
And J.J. also noted how interesting it was that there was NO mention of the scientifically fraudulent PCR test, which was creating bogus case counts and bogus death counts. No talk of Vitamin D or zinc (so again, keeping within the pharma controlled narrative).
I can't believe I listened to 6 hours of that (broken up of course), but it was actually worth it and very interesting to see what J.J. picked up on.
Hydrogel is NOT graphene. Hydrogel is in loads of things, including contact lenses (that’s silicon hydrogel). And it’s not his vax, you must under a consultant is not an owner of a product. Malone is very much like my good friend who was a consultant regarding computers. Similar personality, similar considered, measured words, similar level of knowledge about many different topics because of the different people he’s met in his role.
Can you please point me where the hydrogel is described as graphene based? I found papers describing the hydrogel used in mRNA vaxes and it is ECM (extracellular matrix, commonly used hydrogel in many medical applications).
I don’t know Robert or Jill personally however Robert has been integral to building my understanding of the complexities of the world we now live in and I’m not throwing him under the bus. Thanks Meryl for your level head
Ok, hurt, pain, I get it. Why is he trying to bankrupt the Breggins and Ruby with bullshit lawsuits he cannot win??? But they still have to hire lawyers in 2 states to defend themselves. Really.
Do you know why Sasha? Why don't you do your own research on this one? I will tell you why. It is about defamation. What do you do when you have somebody who lies without stopping about you and don't want to stop?
OK, please let me know what was defamation and lie. Also, very important for this line of legal proceeding, why exactly that type of "defamation" is worth $25 million in damages. Because Dr. Malone will have to prove this in court. I am listening.
Malone's lawsuit is despicable and cowardly. I have a longish comment that came after yours that provides a solution of sorts that probably will not be taken. The "lie" is/are Breggin's repeated claims that Malone remains a witting disinformation agent of the Deep State. This is explicit at some points and implied throughout Breggin's analyses. Malone is not really a tough guy--he has a very vulnerable ego and you may recall that from the very start he would allude to having had a "nervous breakdown" in his 20's after his major mRNA discovery. There is a genuine weakness there that prompts this awful lawsuit but I am old-school and my heart goes out to the Breggins. Defending against a defamation suit--and who the hell is financing this lawsuit--is watching your life savings bleed from your veins in a warm bath. You don't do that to someone like the Breggins unless you are quite malicious or as I suspect here, horribly vulnerable in a way that causes Malone pain even to contemplate. Which is why he signed his apology (justification) for his actions in all lowercase, "robert" Unless this horrible battle is top-tier CIA engineering and I am fairly confident that it is not (unless Desmet turns out to be an agent), it is a minor tragedy of its own making for all of us.
I'm almost positive Desmet is working for the other side. He's very, very slick. It occurs to me that intentionally or not, Malone's lawsuit is very effective at drawing attention from Desmet's underhanded rhetoric.
I wouldn't be surprised but found Desmet's first interview to be mostly pointless and distracting, so I move on. In other major Matrix controlled psy op narratives involving very polarizing topics (e.g. immigration "reform") I witnessed actors playing both sides or several sides as fake dissenters getting into huge battles at key moments as a way to fracture and demoralize the larger movement trying to battle globalism open borders agendas - akin to an IED exploding with shrapnel flying everywhere. A classic military pincer movement. We observed fake truther A Jones legally 'battle' deep state government assets against S Hook slander charges with Jones "throwing the fight" to drive a stake into free speech. In another example, a poorly composed covid-issue lawsuit in Europe by suspect dissenters to muddy the waters and set legal precedents against us. Yesterday I stumbled across Shiva Ayyadurai attacking RFK Jr for being strongly pro-vax at one point, but Ayyadurai was too, and in 2020 he attacked the Bollingers, long time vax critics. After that, RFK Jr held a fireside chat with Shiva's ex, actress Fran Drescher, to rip on Shiva. Bizarre. Shiva is MIT, a vocal supporter of 5G (and 6G IoB?), and he received a lucrative lawsuit payout riding on the coat tails of Peter Thiel (Palantir) in Thiel's crushing legal attack on Gawker (another strike against journalism and free speech?). We're dealing with some very ethical souls but also a lot of people with dubious histories and connections, like Kirsch and his OneID, Token and M10, projects that serve the rise of 4IR. Perhaps the best strategy is to point out inconsistencies and then focus again on exposing ALL aspects and modus operandi of the tyranny barreling toward us. Don't get too caught up in identity battles, don't give them our energies. A famous poet quipped something about how those in control will create two lies and then get people to argue about which one is true.
After years of wondering about Alex Jones whose rants and pathological lies are legion I decided that he is on the level but riddled with pathologies. I just finished reading his "Great Reset" book and liked it a lot. The ideas are his, all the craziness and lies have been eliminated, and it provides a very good and clear analysis of where we are and who we are fighting. I kept wondering who the hell wrote and/or edited this book because Alex could not do it. There is no co-author, but a simple word of thanks on p. 246 to Ken Henkenlively and that's the answer.
Shiva Ayyadurai is a pure mole. He infiltrated the election integrity lawsuits using a specious statistic to show a non-existant fraud that would have blown up in their faces if it ever went that far in court. Both Steve Freeman ("Was the 2004 Election Stolen?") and I tried in vain to warn the litigators on our side but we were ignored. The sad fact is that the pols and lawyers were not even bright enough to understand our exposition of why Shiva's statistic was a fraud and so they simply ignored us. Gateway Pundit also.
I've never doubted Steve Kirsch. You don't hear him backing cryptocurrency or vaccine IDs. Many of the anti-COVID vaccines were/are still fans of vaccines. Vanden Bossche is, Kennedy is for safe vaccines, etc. Malone's life was devoted to them until the scales fell from his eyes and he woke up (at least in part) to how we (USA, Big Pharma) were not the good guys.
Very much agree that the best thing is to point out inconsistencies. We're deep in the hall of mirrors right now and clarity is in short supply.
Desmet's messaging seems to include the following ideas:
-- the masses are foolish and desire totalitarian control out of our own anxieties (except for those of us who see through the "mass formation", whom he flatters and makes feel superior.)
-- it's not that science has been corrupted and captured by the oligarchy but that science and reason itself are dangerous. Instead we should... turn to irrationality and mysticism?
-- it's not a conspiracy
-- no really, it's not a conspiracy, here's an elaborate metaphor involving the flocking behavior of birds and a way to form the Sierpinski triangle to explain why the politicians around the world spontaneously adopted the phrase "Build Back Better" at the same time.
-- we shouldn't try to organize and overthrow the ruling class because it'll simply recreate the same problems. We need to speak up and wait for 'totalitarianism' to burn itself out on its own.
I've seen similar ideas from a few others too. Mark Changizi in particular has been pitching an "emergent phenomena" anti-conspiracy line like Desmet's. For those of us who think there *was* a large-scale conspiracy and that the perpetrators will kill and enslave us all unless we stop them, I think such rhetoric stands in our way of joining together and pushing back.
You may well be right on the money, with the introduction to Malone being the key to fracturing the resistance. Mole spotting is very difficult because there are so many pathologies and other defects and limitations that undermine us. I detest Desmet, so avoid reading/watching him at great length and depth but I have bought and read enough of his book to know this is either a mole or a very bright but grossly ignorant narcissistic self-important little shit. Malone has been seduced. I can't force myself to read his book cover-to-cover. Malone was introduced to Desmet by his wife, Jill. I don't know how she met Desmet.
Yeah, Desmet gives the appearance of knowledge, but if you have any familiarity with what he's talking about you realize it's only an inch deep. I've got a couple books on collective behavior — one funded by the CIA, which speaks to their interest in mass manipulation — yet Desmet doesn't really acknowledge any of the work in the area after Le Bon. Now that Malone is presenting himself as an expert in "5th generation warfare" (where did that come from?) it seems even stranger that he wouldn't have concerns with Desmet as well. Wasn't Jill's father in intelligence or something? I saw somebody else speculating she could be Malone's handler, which would certainly explain some of our confusion.
Dr Malone wrote about it on is substack. Also Mery Nass. Go there. The number $25 million is only a number when you sue somebody. The lawsuit is about defamation. They only have to stop lying about him. He requested that. What do you do in a situation like that?
no, that's not how it works. It's not just a number. He has to prove in court that what they said about him cost him $25 million. So it is a bullshit lawsuit, a lawfare against the Breggins and Ruby for unexplainable reasons.
● “Malone IS Dangerous. I knew from day one, this man is in the middle of every horrific thing that has happened to humanity. He is an operative running interference to keep this thing going. This is well worth your time to WATCH THE ENTIRE INTERVIEW of Dr. Peter Breggin.” https://t.me/PeterBreggin/86
● “Beware of Malone pushing this previously obscure and out of nowhere, Belgian psychoanalyst, Mattias Desmet. The two of them pushing this fraudulent ‘mass formation psychosis’. It’s really designed to criminalize the general public and perpetuate Ernest people in the health freedom movement as conspiracy theorists.” https://t.me/DrJaneRuby/7164
● “Robert Malone, campaigning around the world as a member of the health freedom movement, may be profoundly immersed in the Deep State of HHS, CDC, FDA, and Department of Defense. In the last five years, a period for which we have information, ending in 2017, Malone obtained and managed $9.5 billion in government contracts. Now he is a member of the new NIH agency ACTIV which promotes the Great Reset by bringing together multiple powerful US agencies — from the NIH, FDA, CDC, and DoD with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, and ultimately with a dozen of the top pharmaceutical companies, including Gilead, GlaxoSmithKline, Johnson & Johnson, Merck & Co., Inc., Moderna, Novartis, Novavax, Pfizer.” https://t.me/DrJaneRuby/7165
● “Breggin makes some key points: Malone was never part of any freedom or liberty movement prior to the covid scam. In fact he’s the opposite. He’s admitted to voting for Obama and Hillary. And his connections and associations are 100% CIA/DOD/intelligence community. That’s NOT the origins of the Health freedom movement. And now he’s positioning himself as the ‘leader of the health freedom movement’ And posing as some sort of conservative freedom movement guru? NOT”. https://t.me/DrJaneRuby/7166
● “The synonymous concepts of mass formation, mass hypnosis, and mass psychosis have an obvious damaging impact on the international health freedom movement and on the cause of liberty everywhere. These concepts take our eyes off the totalitarian global predators who are taking over and exploiting humanity. They restrain us from charging these predators with criminal conspiracy if we win the battle with them. The pernicious effects of the Desmet/Malone ideology came fully into light with the recent publication of Desmet’s The Psychology of Totalitarianism and Malone’s continuing efforts in support of mass psychosis.” https://breggin.com/Threats-from-the-Desmet-Malone-Mass-Formations- and-Mass-Psychosis; https://t.me/DrJaneRuby/7167
● “Whether Desmet or Malone consciously intended it, their ideology has seriously harmful effects similar to a psyops — a psychological operation — aimed at paralyzing the health freedom movement and freedom movements worldwide.” https://breggin.com/article-detail/post_detail/The-Desmet-Malone- Ideology-of-Mass-Psychosis-Blames-the-Citizens-and-Not-the-Global- Predators
● Dr. Malone was “in the middle of” the “suppression of hydroxychloroquine”. Dr. Malone is engaged in deliberate “fraud” to “blind us to the predators”. “He’s a protector of the predators’. https://rumble.com/v1jn8xy-doctor-robert-malone-.html
There are a few more examples listed, but you get the gist. As I read them, they seem more like opinions, sometimes harsh opinions, than defamation. But I'm not familiar with that law. Except for maybe the last two points, but I listen to the interview and Breggin makes a case for the comments (I didn't hear that he said Malone is responsible for the plandemic though, that may be an error on Dr Malone's part).
Malone published his defamation case on this substack
if malone is so stressed out about being defamed, why hasn't he sued paul alexander or sage hana productions? both have attacked him relentlessly.
here's why. because whoever is pulling malone's strings is aware that the breggins are closest to the target, their cred is impeccable and they have more of a following.
the optics are chilling. suing an 86 year old man. really.
Good point. Even what the Breggins have said doesn't seem like defamation to me.
Another explanation to Malone targeting the people with the biggest following is not necessarily because they're on target, but because they have the biggest ability to hurt his ego with the most people.
alexander quotes PB in one of his posts today:, this capsulizes the issue:
"I criticized the concept of mass psychosis in my columns and the media, expressing concern in particular that it would be used to weaponize psychiatry. Diagnosing large groups of people as psychotic opens the way for one or another political faction to take psychiatric actions against them, such as involuntary incarceration and “treatment.” It also distracts from the wealthy and powerful elite who are actively dominating and exploiting the people — and have been doing so since the dawn of civilization in fiefdoms, kingdoms, slave states, and empires."
When I watch this (see clip below) it shows the Malones trying to make these Hawaiian kids accept the jabs. I would think they SHOULD have been saying 'Run as fast as you can and do whatever you need to do to avoid these jabs that will sterilize or injure or kill you' but instead they try and reassure the kids about the safety of the jabs, the rarity of the side effects; no excuse. https://budbromley.blog/2022/02/17/dr-robert-malone-in-hawaii-in-talk-story-with-children/
Thank you for posting that video. I was wondering where it was. Watching that video should infuriate EVERYONE!!! Meryl should see this. malone said he was harmed by the shot yet he's promoting it to children. CHILDREN!!!!! He's insane. He's saying that it's possibly ok to have these toxic shots put into the body of children. He knew that at least back to spring/summer 2021 when he was interviewed by Brett Weinstein with Steve Kirsch that the spike proteins get to the ovaries. He saw at that time that there was a huge list of adverse events that they cause including death. It was in the video. These children are asking if the shots can harm them and one asks whether the shots can cause fertility issues and he doesn't say, "Yes, do not take these shots". He says, 1) talk to your parents and your doctor (a doctor that most likely will push the shot), 2) nobody knows how it will effect fertility. WHAT????????!!!!!!!! One girl says she's scared to get them and his response is "Don't be scared". I'm beyond furious. I'm beyond having any understanding that anyone can't see through this man. This is insanity. How anyone can not see that something is wrong with this man... I just have no more words.
Thank you Debra. I agree with you 100%. I'd say there's something seriously wrong with that man and something seriously wrong with a supposed medical freedom movement that embraces that man. In my view, the medical freedom movement has been infiltrated and sabotaged from within.
You are welcome, Debra. I also wonder, where are their parents? What was the real purpose of the video? Qui bono as the saying goes? It seemed wrong then and oh so much more wrong now. Betcha it will get pulled and quick now.
Just watched the video and heard Jill Malone tell the girl with fertility concerns that it wasn't known whether it would affect fertility, so just don't get it. And Robert Malone did not tell the smart young girl not to be afraid of getting the shot, but that instead of being afraid in general, she should talk to her parents about it and learn as much as she can because thinking for herself is the most important thing. He also said it's not his place to tell her what to do, that only she and her parents can decide. I imagine he must be very careful about what he says or be accused of all kinds of crap from the parents and officials who are still on board with the safe and effective narrative.
I was surprised by a few things Malone said at the beginning of the video, but at this point have to chalk it up to him being overly careful about not igniting the wrath of those who could file legal charges against him. He's a sensitive man, and that's my intuition, not anything I've read. Look how sensitively he spoke to these kids as he tried to help them understand both sides of the argument about whether to get the shots or not. He clearly said the chances of kids becoming seriously ill from the virus is zero. I don't blame folks for being concerned about where Malone is coming from, but I think Meryl Nass is telling the truth about the young age at which he was working with mRNA technology. Why should we expect him to know everything about this mysterious, lab-created virus that has several other properties than the ones Malone was working with 30 years ago, including the fact that he was not working with spike protein? I don't like the lawsuit he's brought against the Breggins either, although I've read on it extensively and they were saying some horrible, character-assassinating things about him, for whatever reasons. Let's at least try to be fair.
He's got some very mysterious and concerning connections and ties to many agencies and companies. He was involved in the anthrax vaccine years back. And, he does silence people who go against what he says. Those are just some of the strange things around this man. There's a lot of mystery. Follow George Webb's and Saga Hana's substack. Read Diane West's article about malone's past.
Regarding the video, why would he bother even speaking with children about all of this if he has to be so careful? If anyone doesn't tell someone the severe dangers and harm then they are complicit in that harm. He was saying that the athletes have lost their level of performance due to the clots that the shots cause. Hmmm... that's pretty telling. Does he explain the severe dangers of these clots to the unknowing children? No, he doesn't. He doesn't explain that these clots can lead to death. Too many unanswered questions surrounding this man.
Regarding his sensitivity. There are so many actors in this horror show and being sensitive is not very difficult to play when you're trying to be something your not. Have you see the performance of fraudchi? Bottom line is, it's important to look at someone's history and very tight connections, listen to exactly what they are saying and how things might be twisted, and look at their actions. Critical thinking and looking at all the pieces of the puzzle or as many as you can find, and with malone there's a ton, is very important. It would be great if he was a good guy but something is just not right about him.
Also, this is a very wealthy man. If he's so interested in helping save humanity then why do you have to pay to comment on his substack? Why not make it free? What's he afraid of? Or is he that greedy? Also, is his book free? He clearly wants to spread the word about the bad things the government has done, right? He clearly doesn't need the money.
And I'm kind of confused by Malone's timeline on the injections. I think he said he took them in April/May 2021, so he could travel. And he wrote somewhere that he almost died from the second shot, but I don't think that was mentioned on the Darkhorse podcast w/Kirsch and Weinstein was in June 2021. But on Sage Hana's substack post above, there's a tweet of him getting the injection again in Jan 2022--so he got it again after it supposedly almost killed him?
That is not at all what they were doing. They were telling them not to be scared of the virus, they said the vaccine doesn’t really make sense for kids because the virus isn’t bad for them, but they also were careful not to tell anyone what they should do with their body. They were respectful of personal autonomy and what their parents wanted, encouraging them to talk to them. But they also encouraged thinking for themselves.
I beg to differ. It was disgraceful, inappropriate and normalized these death jabs. If one of those kids was yours, I think you might feel differently. This is, after all, a genocide.
So well said! You are a gem Dr. Nass, you can see the forest for the trees.
It is a shame some have fallen into that trap.
I went to a speaking engagement that Dr. Malone headlined. After the main event people wanted to talk with him and his wife.
The time he took with each person was truly remarkable. I think he spent at least another 2 hours after a very long travel day to make sure each person was heard. It was quite remarkable. He could have very well took a couple of questions and high tailed it out of there!
He did not.
I am grateful for his knowledge and his efforts to awaken people.
No. What's hard to understand is how you shy away from a lot of REAL evidence that malone ignores and doesn't even attempt to explain. I imagine that you are ignorant of it. I suggest that you interview author/investigative journalist George Webb and question him intensely. If his assertions fail scrutiny, then your defense of malone will be vindicated. I don't think it will go that way though.
And I can understand defamation law suits to clear one's name. But when you are as filthy rich as malone is (despite him crying otherwise), he should be suing for $1 + attorney fees, not $25M. That's an intimidation tactic with a dose of greed. It is not "immensely honorable."
I absolutely support Webb being questioned intently. As soon as I questioned him though, he blocked me from posting on his substack, with no attempt to clarify anything. I don’t trust him and all he does is muddy the waters and cast aspersions. And he is very sloppy with peoples names and spelling for a supposed journalist. Where did he come from? He’s only popped up recently.
Yet another article with useful information. We need all the help we can get and Dr. Malone has worked very hard for movement. I Learned first about pseudo uridine from him for example, and he’s had a lot to say about government tyranny being involved.
We need all the voices. Even those who aren’t all in with our particular perspective: virus/no virus (what Covid it is exactly does matter but it isn’t central to the question of stopping the jabs), bioweapon/something less than that, efficacy/no possible benefit only harms from the shots and so on. MSM voices that puncture the narrative somewhat like Tucker.
Alex Berenson in spite of him saying a few very disappointing things. Dr. Jane Ruby in spite of her being overly critical of some in the movement. The Breggins in spite of the same. And the Malones. Thomas Renz and Matthew Crawford even though they disagree over the DMED data. And all the others even though a few will no doubt be
chaos agents.
The main problem is the $25 mil lawsuit. Even if Dr. Malone is correct it still does more harm than good to go this route. I think Catherine Austin Fitts had it right, everybody in this movement has to be willing to go through the refiner‘s fire.
Dr. Nass, you are a kind, caring person and you seem to have lovely friendship with Dr Malone.
I'd think you could understand why people have questions about Dr Malone. Yes he has given some good information at times. But he's also a long time insider in the long corrupt history between pharmaceutical companies, our government, and the alphabet agencies. As such, he warrants the highest scrutiny within this movement.
Just because he took the transfection is not a reason to withhold this scrutiny. This is a really important point. Just because he took the transfection doesn't warrant withholding scrutiny of his insider work history.
In fact, because the risk benefit ratio was so obviously against this transfection, the fact that he took it brings up more questions for me, not less. Why could he not think that through? Is he so blinded by the benefit of something called a "vaccine"?
The people I hold above Dr Malone are the ones that were right from the very beginning about the true risk of this coronavirus and the transfection. They did not take the transfection and they spoke out right away. One of those people is you Dr. Nass. Surely you can understand on a purely intellectual level why Dr Malone should be questioned and scrutinized. You may be right, on emotional level some people want to act out. But on an intellectual and rational level, the scrutiny is warranted.
There are also some genuine questions which we in the resistance need to be able to talk about, and which so far don't seem to be mentioned by some of the "leaders" who have emerged; such as: (i) how can someone as knowledgeable as Malone still advocate that one "released gain-of-function mRNA-virus" could replicate so well as to circulate for three years around the world and "kill millions", when he knows that single-stranded mRNA viruses, as distinct from DNA clones, are not so replication competent? (ii) how can someone as knowledgeable as Malone about mRNA vaccines still emphasise the story that "it was the spike", when he MUST know that transfection itself is harmful (unless he supports Pharma to "do better next time"? (iii) how come so much emphasis on ivermectin when there are stories about HCQ, vitamin D, zinc etc? These questions are not motivated by deflected anger, they are genuine scientific implausibilities in Malone's eloquent presentations and substacks. I would love to see a discussion between different counter-narrative proponents instead of law suits! https://www.twitch.tv/gigaohmbiological/video/1793431470
Yes you are absolutely right about these points. By not repeatedly highlighting these three points you've made, he's not helping people to keep sight of the big picture. The big picture is that a real world wide pandemic probably not possible. Our bodies and immune systems are too varied and complex and continue to evolve with the natural environment every moment of every day. Even the 1918 flu only killed a small percentage of the world's population, and the United States less than 1%. Now people could be subjected to a toxin, or can be weakened by food shortages and be more susceptible to illness. But we should not be afraid of gain of function viruses, and we have many therapeutics that can help. The fact that Malone is narrowing this knowledge means he contributes to people being vulnerable to another fear-based pandemic narrative.
I think it's good for everyone to point out these discrepancies in our movement, and at the same time build happy healthy communities in our personal life. Every one of us needs to make sure we don't get caught up for too long in negativity.
I do not think you represented the Malone skeptic point of view as well as you could have. He may well be an all around fantastic guy, I truly don't know, I have a generally positive opinion of him. In particular I'd be interested to know his role in apparently helping make Remdesivir the go-to covid treatment. Maybe it's been discussed elsewhere, its impossible to keep up with it all. At the very least, I think your assumption of the skeptics motives is mistaken, in many cases. It's near impossible to tell who the good guys are nowadays; even for the people closely paying attention.
I don’t understand the vitriol aimed at Dr. Malone. Anyone who was watching from the beginning, who saw him on Bret Weinstein’s podcast with Steve Kirsch, and has followed his actions and writings since cannot in good conscience see him as a bad guy. People need to accept that Fauci et al will not be punished and get over it. The fight isn’t over.
Fauci and Gates were deliberate lightening rod characters in the script. Did that distract you from, for example, wondering why Kirsch created OneID to track what a person does online and offline, not unlike Musk's plan remake Twitter into a WeChat type platform? Or what Kirsch may have been expecting creating Token and M10 which supports "open banking" requiring digital ID verification by third parties (that will then sell your data) and these same third parties will be in a position to micromanage your life and CDBC credits as per program compliance with Human Capital Markets and their very wealthy impact investor stakeholders (i.e. holding a stake to impale all of your remaining freedoms).
So you see Steve Kirsch as controlled oppo too? Did he and Malone both take the shots and get injured just to prove their bonafides in the MFM? I think the problem is you see them as larger than life monsters, taking orders from some phantom controlling entity rather than human beings who have made mistakes, and who are deliberately being smeared by clever propaganda. Which you've swallowed, apparently.
Is this akin to being called a heretic for asking questions about what people are doing that appears to be in opposition to Health FreeDom and civil liberties in general?
That's the same emotional programmed attack of those who get angry if a person asks Trump supporters why didn't he stop covid vax mandates, or why did he sign an EO for Opportunity Zones that was literally written by Silicon Valley executives as a tax loophole for the wealthy to transfer their assets to what amounts to Agenda 21 and 2030 SDGs for 4IR technocracy, or his support of Red Flag Laws, and other concerns.
I’m not angry. Just wondering why people are zooming in on Malone and Kirsch, who both have admitted their past mistakes and blindness about the systems they were working in. Steve Kirsch is completely inept at cryptocurrency, having lost millions in the FTX collapse. Robert Malone’s work on mRNA was decades ago, and yes he worked for the DOD for a time, but he has never tried to hide that fact. No one is above scrutiny, so turn the question about Malone around and ask why Stew Peters, Jane Ruby and the Breggins made him a target over a difference of interpretation of Matias Desmet’s book. That difference didn’t amount to a hill of beans, Dr. Desmet offered to sit down with them and discuss it and the Breggins refused. Why? And then the personal attacks against Malone began. Everyone who supports the Breggins think they are saints and above reproach. If that’s true then someone is manipulating them. Who? Personally, I don’t take anyone’s word as gospel. I listen to to them all and try to discern the truth. Asking questions doesn’t make anyone a heretic. This isn’t a religion and the various members of the MFM aren’t saints. Just human beings with their own virtues, vices and individual egos.
You initially tried to reframe what I said as though I was name calling (monsters and controlled op). Your reply now is the kind of rational discourse that I am saying we must have and cannot hold back questions because someone has become prominent and is viewed as a hero by some.
Musk is an inept businessman, but his grandfather Joshua Haldeman oversaw the Canadian branch of the big North American 1930s era Technocracy Inc movement seeking a global totalitarian surveillance state, and now Musk is serving that end. Haldeman was also Chairman of Canada's Social Credit Party and eventually forced to leave the country facing the threat of sedition charges. What happens in one instance, here and there, with powerful and connected people, is part of a much larger tapestry being woven. Kirsch is backing tools for the rise of a form of digital slavery - that's very clear whether he knows it or admits it on some level.
If you watch Dr Couey's deconstructions of Malone's statements and participation in the advocacy for massive growth in mRNA vaccines, then you might revise your statement that his participation was only decades ago. I wish he would discuss the many mRNA cancer vaccine trials that failed. Why didn't he help us understand this early on? Also the hiding of unintended gene therapy consequences which an honest vaccine scientist developer from India tried to blow the whistle on. Doesn't make sense to be receiving massive grants and working at the highest levels of government pandemic planning and not have a clue about major problems with the field. We need more people in the know to be honest and earnest about what's happening, not just Dr Malone.
I apologize if I misread your initial comment. Please point me to a recent essay or video of Malone himself speaking, not someone’s interpretation of what he said, where he advocates for a “massive growth in mRNA vaccines.”
I suggest that there is only one very legitimate reason to be angry with Malone, viz., his scurrilous defamation suit against the Breggins, et. al. I side with Breggin against Desmet but not against Malone whose foolish support of Desmet I suspect comes from 1) as superficial a reading of Desmet’s book as Breggin has devoted to Malone’s words and record, and 2) being a brilliant scientist who is unskilled in philosophy of science and hence confuses an appealing metaphor “mass hypnosis” or worse, “mass psychosis,” with a scientific theory of why people are so stupid, gullible, and behave so idiotically. Of course the world has gone mad, yet none of the vast number of people playing their appointed roles in this madness is hypnotized or has become psychotic in the process except perhaps some sad victims of lock down.
Malone is clearly in psychic anguish over Breggin’s partly wild and unfounded attack upon his motives and character. Breggin calls him out as an agent of the Deep State, and he is dead wrong. Nonetheless, I do not have a polite way to say this but: Malone needs to grow up and be a man. He should have spoken to Breggin when he telephoned him and had the chance instead of hanging up and he should have debated him before or after that call in a public forum. Malone’s vast exegesis of his probity in suing Breggin—whose professional stature arguable allows him to be held to a higher standard—is rebutted by the brute facts of Breggin’s pettiness, irascibility, and patent cognitive decline. It is especially hypocritical of Malone to make this argument given his previous description of Breggin as an "aged psychiatrist with anger control and frontal lobe issues.” https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/politico-pushes-for-who-power-grab Meryl’s recent analysis of Breggin's essay accusing Malone of not warning us of COVID-vax dangers after Malone published an early-COVID-era paper showing potential dangers of the vaccine finds Breggin behaving like an ideologue and polemicist, quite foolishly. Desmet’s claim that the victims of this mass propaganda campaign of fear and terror creating a faux medical horror that can only be solved by universal vaccination are responsible, at bottom, for their fate makes Breggin (and so many of us) see bright red. Desmet’s statements that the imagined conspiracy is a figment of our imagination makes me wish to do something to Desmet better left unsaid. That most of the people involved in the orchestrated destruction of our society and its gravitation towards both tyranny and chaos have no idea what they are doing—including some but not all of the MDs who have killed their patients and continue to do so—is correct but requires an entirely different explanation. Ibsen's "Enemy of the People" gives more than a hint. Robert F. Kennedy’s forward to Judith Mikovits’ book, "Plague of Corruption: Restoring Faith in the Promise of Science" is another good place to start; so is the Netflix Documentary “Capturing the Killer Nurse.” The theory is not very complicated, certainly not very flattering to humankind, and can be stated in less than 10 pages.
One crucial video is of Breggin BLASTING Malone on the Stew Peters’ show, https://stewpeters.com/video/2022/09/psychiatric-doctor-blasts-mrna-inventor-mass-formation-psychosis-blaming-you-for-covid-plandemic/ In the video Breggin twice refers to Malone exonerating the despicable Dr. Brix [sic, pronounced as “bricks”] by inventing this crazy concept of Groupthink (Malone inventing the concept) and then remembering a little later that he actually knew the guy who invented the concept at Harvard (Irving Janis). God love Peter Breggin, but that is not the man to be now held to higher standards. Malone has never answered Breggin’s critique of Desmet, nor can he do so, and Desmet’s self-defense posted on Malone’s website is pathetic and inculpatory. My own visceral reaction to Desmet’s book is as profound as Breggin’s—probably worse. But none of that affects that we are all on the same side, all fighting the same enemy and that the Breggins' life-long history of moral courage and public service should register enough on Malone to move him to behave like an adult who has a prominent position in the health and medicine branch of anti-Globalist movement. Instead of suing the Breggins he should agree to a public debate against Peter with Meryl as moderator. Then we should all get back to work.
Your respect for the Malones and gratitude for their efforts shines in this piece, Meryl. Thanks for this perspective on their path, and for your call to unity. In so doing, you are already furthering RFK Jr.'s stated mission to heal the divide. (Thanks also for our brief but meaningful conversation by the women's room after the event on Wednesday. I was happy and honored to meet you... :-)
In 2021, when I was struggling mightily with whether or not to get the vaccine, and I was THIS CLOSE to getting it, I watched Bret Weinstein's podcast with Malone (and Steve Kirsch), and it was Malone's well-informed words of caution that pulled me back from the brink. I never did get the shot, and for that I owe Malone a debt of gratitude I can never repay. And I thank you Meryl, for defending this hero who sacrificed so deeply, and who has meant so much to so many.
Let's take the long view. Dr. Malone was just many of those in the scientific community that was pointed down this road. REad "The Code Breaker" by Walter Isaacson who does a deep dive into the development of gene editing which has been a on going project for 40 years! In my opion it is bias for injctions, but gives a great history.
The culmination of the work of 1000's of astute scientists from around the world has contributed to the ability to manipulate the genes of our DNA which is the blueprint of life. I wonder how many of them have remorse. Does Dr. Malone have remorse? We now are full steam ahead in producing nano drug injections as the new technology for treating disease states. The manipulators believe they can treat viral infections, cancers, and genetic defects and more with this knowledge. Billions and billions are being invested by many many drug manufacturers because they see this as being proprietary, patentable and profitable beyond their wildest dreams. That's why cheap off the shelf drugs and nutrients have been discredited and ignored by the mad medicine men who want to inject! They feel no guilt for the great harm they caused by launching the Covid con! There has been an alignment of the goals of the DOD/CIA, Big Pharma, Eugenists and the Globalists in this Covid con and it is time to call out the key players who have used middle men to push the Covid con to it's current status. Fauci was key. RFK Jr has had the drive to document his manipulation of medical research into a bias and harmful forms that has destroyed the lives of many, injured millions and has caused massive economic damage. Dr. Malone's lawsuit makes no sense, because both Breggin and Malone are creating postive truthful facts about the harm being done. Why he targeted Breggin to tell all not to thread on his character is shameful. The Italian physician working for the WEF has said with glee "Humans are now hackable". That is what needs to be stopped NOW! We may very well exterminate human life on earth along with our cattle and hogs that have and will be injected with these mRNA injections that reprogram cellular function and are uncontrolable and have caused great harm and will continue to do so. Dr. McCullough has said that Pfizer tested the mRNA on 8 mice and they didn't immediately die, and went forward and then decided to do human studies that demonstrated the great harm they did. Their reward was great because they are happy to report their sales have topped 100 Billion dollars. Sue them, Sue Moderna and all the othe bad actors. We need to focus on motivation, stop the injections and save our children from a miserable adulthood! I have great respect for the Breggins and their life work. I pray that Dr. Malone will see that he has made a mistake and will drop the law suit. I believe there are events in Dr. Malone's career that will never be disclosed because of his work for governmental agencies that demand secrecy!
Interesting book mention. I will check it out. Thank you. Isaacson's was Steve Job's biographer and CEO of the Aspen Institute, a deep pyramid cap insider.
Incredibly ironic given what that group believes they will accomplish through transhumanism and their endless use of symbolism to emphasize that including Job's bite out the apple and the sale price of the first Mac. Perhaps backhand revelation of the method. There was Imperial College's disruptive technologies chart that rose to the surface in early 2020 with a stylized periodic table (a nod to alchemy, ordo ab chao) listing some very radical goals. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/administration-and-support-services/enterprise-office/public/Table-of-Disruptive-Technologies.pdf Gilead, maker of Remdisivir, is listed under predictive gene based healthcare (61). Around two months ago IBM had to sell off its Watson Health division, which AFAIK, was their flagship for an eventual AI medicine takeover, on the big wish list. IBM spent billions on that, billions more acquiring Truven's massive medical record base and converting it all to blockchain, and billions to create an AI replacement for radiology physicians and gave up on that too. If we're lucky, perhaps the project is seriously behind on schedule but they're hiding the big problems so not many seem to know as AI is endlessly hyped now.
Wow! The Unabomber manifesto declared that technology was going to destroy this world. I’m starting to believe he is right. When I look at that periodic table of technology changes that we are pushing without any realization of how they are going to impact mankind’s future.!
Did you catch the documentary film about the Unabomber, the internet, and the CIA creation of the counter culture? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn9BvNAUvcU&ab_channel=FadiAkil IMHO the information gold vein to mine in that film is the Macy conferences and cybernetics. Not long after 9II when I was trying to figure out what the real long-term agenda is I came across cybernetics and the Macy conferences and took a deep dive. As an analytical person who likes to think outside the box (Feynman is one of my favorite scientists) and strong pattern recognition, I did a rapid extrapolation and visualized exactly what is taking place today to usher in Technocracy (see Patrick Wood's books, interviews, and website technocracy.news). Then I remembered some interesting details about Kaczynski and found and read his manifesto. Bingo! Right on target, a brilliant analysis. Interesting he was transformed into a dissenter after being tricked into being a Harvard MK Ultra experimental subject which apparently triggered some level of PTSD.
BTW if you ever want to take a deep dive into the 60s counter culture rock music connections to MK Ultra, social engineering, Macy's conferences , cybernetics, technology, and the deliberate creation of a human physical merger into machine hive mind then I recommend checking out Dr Hans Utter's presentations on Logos Media. The most popular series is a four-part series case study of the Grateful Dead which was censored by youtube and can be found in search on altcensored.com. Here's a link to Part 1. https://altcensored.com/watch?v=8PN451C3m0w
The Music Mind Control and Psychobiology series is also good, and some others.
Dr. Nass, your defense of Dr. Malone is impeccable, and is summed up very well in your sentence: "Did he know the vaccines were toxic and fail to warn us? If he knew they were toxic, he and his wife would not have gotten vaccinated—but they did. That alone should end this conversation."
Freedom-loving people would do well to remember one of the evil, totalitarian Left's most useful strategies: "Divide and Conquer."
Seems like since Malone invented a huge part of the technology, he should have known better than to take the shots. That he got fooled like others is not a valid excuse at all! That makes him a fool, and yes billions of others a fool. He of ALL people should have totatlly known the shots were harmful. Of course!! He of all people knows the propert testing protocals, he knows how long it takes to make a safe vaccine! He knows!! Or he darn well should have. He also should have totally known about other vaccines causing autism as CHD reports all the time. Being in the business he should have known that the Pharma companies have been sued for billions for horrible products! It is his business to know. So I can not buy the ' he got fooled' excuse. If he is such a smart guy why didn't he know a heck of alot more factual science about vaccines and the Covid 19 shots? He should have. He took two of them! He took shots not knowing the ingredients! How smart is that?
I think what's important is that Malone stuck his neck way out to oppose the vaccines. So, he should get credit for standing up and fighting against evil, even if it took him a while to get to that point.
I also think that people who are opposed to the vaccines should recognize the good that he is doing *now* and spend their time and energy pushing back against the Covid totalitarians who are *still* trying to push Covid vaccines on people. Let's focus on the immediate threat to public health---people like Fauci and all the health officials like him.
Yes agreed, in part. Everyone has their own process. We need to allow everyone the opportunity to redress their false beliefs as they are messengers for countless others.
Those of us who are not new to this scandal are not in awe. Regarding the immediate threat at this point its damage control and way way too late for countless millions. Fortunately brilliant minds are working tirelessly in an attempt to undo or at least mitigate the damage. It ain't mainstream medicine that will deliver, its the Integrative Camp that will very likely produce tangible results. No more Get Out of Jail Free passes!
I’ve looked at George Webb quite extensively, and I have to say, I don’t trust him one but. He is either someone sent to see division by the government (most likely), or he is not the sharpest tool in the shed.
In some posts he had made quite the brag to James O’Keefe saying how he can show O’Keefe how real professional journalism is done. I have extreme doubts that he is professional or experienced however, as he is a terrible speller and very frequently gets people’s names incorrect. It’s really quite weird how often he does this actually, he might say their full name correctly early on in a piece, but then when he makes any accusations he often changes their first name to some other random name. Suspicious in my book.
And what does he actually say? He mentions names and places that we may not have heard of before, but he never really teaches us anything of substance about the connections between things. And he makes a lot of claims about things he’s found out being the smoking bullet etc, but they really don’t mean much at all. He seems all hot air. When I pointed out his frequent errors and questioned Webb, he immediately blocked me from posting on his Substack, with not a single attempt to explain.
Who is he? Where was he earlier in the pandemic? He’s just popped up seemingly out of nowhere and all he does is criticise people in the Medical Freedom movement. He’s causing us to eat our own. What has he done to actually help the cause? He seems to have only hurt it.
Contrast that with Malone who is always very logical and considered and clear with his message. I’ve learned so much from him, and it all checks out and makes sense. He’s always been very candid and careful to explain his role in things, and reasons to any allegations against him and they always make sense. Also, what he has done out of honour had not helped him or his reputation, it had basically ended his consulting career.
I know which I find more reliable. Look at the details, verify with outside info, ask what you are actually learning from this, and how does it help or hurt the cause. I think you will then see who is to be trusted.
I have been following George Webb since at least 2019 and do not trust him. A goal of mine is to make the time to do further research on Webb.
don't waste your time. he's your classic limited hangout.
Very astute commentary. Will look into G Webb who I assume is another whistle blower... Often if a rube shows up in the dust storm this person needs scrutiny as you point out. Malone is a very consistent excellent communicator. Still wonder why he is suing Dr. Breggin, I believe for 30 mil...
cannot find any useful info on G Webb except some blurb making him look the hero re: Seth's murder
No. Malone tells the kids NOT TO BE SCARED OF GETTING COVID. He says that the vaccine is not the best.
This talk, Feb 2022, must be somewhat prior to data that has come out. Malone tells the kids they don't need the vaccine, but for adults, he says it's up to them. Today we know that no one should ever take the vaccine, young, middle age, or elderly. It seems like Malone is oblivious to the Pfizer trials, proving the 3rd worse side effect of the vaccine is catching Covid. Also that 300 people died. He doesn't seem to know about the miscarriages, the disastrous effects of the vaccine on pregnancy. He doesn't seem to be aware of the thousands of healthy young people dropping dead, (Ed Dowd, "Cause Unknown"), Malone says side effects in young people are rare, he's wrong. His wife Jill seems to be more willing to tell the truth about the clot shots than he is. So I suspect that Malone would say entirely different answers today, than Feb 2022.
Very misleading you statements here. You should be more careful and know what you are saying before blaming others.
There WAS a mandate for international travel. MORE lies by people who just wanna crucify Malone because they MISTAKENLY believe he's responsible for formulating the quackcines. NO. HE. WASN'T--!!!!! Now LET THAT SINK IN, numbskulls.
no idea why you mix the pot. The discussion is much broader than you apparently comprehend...
There are alot of 'fools' running around the planet these days spewing vitriole, but Malone isn't one of them. Shoulda, coulda, woulda banter doesn't get us anywhere.
Nope-- You're dead wrong. Malone's gone on record M.A.N.Y. times in M.A.N.Y. places on the internet that THE VACCINES DID NOT USE THE SAME mRNA THAT HE SPECIFIED. THEY CHANGED THE FORMULATION AND THEY ALSO ADDED A COUPLE OF EXTRA PROTEINS. Sheeesh. How could he "darn well have known" that they'd DO that? PAY ATTENTION, Trollie.
Calling people fools for being duped by people and institutions they trusted is not helpful , not Christian and short-sighted to say the least.....this was a military grade psyop and up until 3 years ago, I too believed their bullshit. Malone and his wife and every other poor soul who were hoodwinked into taking this poison were nothing more than victims of human nature that was masterly manipulated by the bad guys.....you should thank God , he opened your eyes to the fraud and not be in such a hurry to cast stones....!!!🙏
If a person valued health as many did 4 decades ago, they simply considered the concept that vaccines could possibly deliver on the promise safe and effective.
Even then there was a clear crossroad. Malone and his wife claim to have taken the shot. Maybe, if so they took the WRONG road and should have known better. They are not your next door neighbor. The level of prominence has built in 1000x more responsibility. Follow the evidence. Every person leaves tracks in the sand. That is personal history and irreversible. Else where in this substack some rather brilliant minds did a much deeper dive. Being hood winked and thinking otherwise is not edifying your creator.
actually the word "fool" is Biblical and appropriate if wisely used. You seem not to comprehend that Malone is not your next door neighbor. He is top of the tree Health Care Professional and must be held to that high profile standard. So the word fool is in this case very appropriate...
And you seem to consider yourself both wise and of Christian scholarship....good....then you'll also be aware of " let he who is without sin cast the first stone " ....you're a little too judgemental , a little too unforgiving and only half as smart as you think you are.....in the end , the standard will be determined by God....not by folks like you...!
Nope. You clearly didn't read the substack. But hey, never mind-- that's not why you were sent here ;-)
Your argument is weak in the respect that you would like to blame the inventor of the syringe for every heroin overdose and you discard than a platform delivery invention is the same as a toxic injection
Not about blame and the analogy is terrible
You dumbass! If you had followed Substack and everything they were talking about very early, much earlier than the rest of the alphabet idiots.
They were providing information for all who would read and critically evaluate it but so many (maybe you) were part of those who did not listen or read.
Go back over the years of this and read what they were saying and asking for people to evaluate and decide.
Obviously, you have been incapable of doing either.
Find the real enemies please. TPTB are laughing their arses off because you are directing anger away from them and putting the blame on him.
not really this is a discussion, referring to the bogeyman suggesting that they are amused is pure conjecture and unproductive
Did he ever push them? No. What do you care if he chose to take them for whatever reason and immediately regretted it? Again, he never pushed them on anyone, even when he took them. There is no hypocrisy on his part. Have you ever believed something your government told you? If so, do you think you are stupid?
You have this exactly right including using the word fool. A high profile medical professional must be held to a very high standard and as you mention there is NO EXCUSE.
That said I do fully appreciate his current efforts in the haze. He is not denouncing Quaxcines so much as denouncing the current Quaxcine for Covid. Might as well clean the whole house...
Ummm--I think you need to look at the Right and see all the divide and conquer actions they take creating hateful bigotry and prejudice.
Hi Tanya... I don't condone anyone who is hateful, bigoted, or prejudiced. When it comes to the COVID lockdowns, propaganda against early cures, and deadly vaccine mandates, I think that all freedom-loving people should unite to defend against totalitarianism. When I say "Left," I'm talking about the totalitarian Left like Marxists who generally have no respect for human life. Selfish, money-driven megalomaniacs like Fauci are also opponents of freedom and human life and must be held accountable.
It is, however, true that the Divide and Conquer strategy can be morally used by freedom-loving forces against evil totalitarians.
The two keys, I think, are: should evil totalitarians be opposed? I say "yes."
And, once totalitarian forces are successfully stopped, should we then seek to transform enemies into friends, as the Allied Forces did with Germany and Japan after WWII? Yes, again. (As long as we are not naïve about the actual "transformation" of those former enemies.)
Ultimately, I believe that all humans need to reach a deep recognition of their commonality as "the human race," and seek to find peace and freedom centered on the virtues of love, kindness, and compassion. *FREEDOM* is a key component that must not be ignored, because without freedom, life becomes a hell of slavery. Nobody wants that except the slave-holders.
You sir, have the patience of a saint
I wish. :-) But thank you. I guess that one of the issues I'm focused on is how to propagate a world of love and freedom while opposing totalitarianism, which of course is anti-love and anti-freedom. The root dilemma is in the human soul. I don't think it can be solved by politics, but must eventually be resolved by a spiritual awakening across the world and then maintained by truly comprehensive spiritual education from birth.
A large number of people have been miseducated about God and the ethics of love and freedom over the last hundred years (and of course long before that, too). One example is Marxism. How can we not only defeat it but prevent its rise again? I think only with education about its fallacies, but also with education about the better path to replace it.
Just my two bits. :-)
Yes, to peace, love, freedom. However, your comments about the "totalitarian left" and Marxists sounds like all the propaganda of the Right which throws those words around like weapons without any understanding of what they mean. One funny thing about using that language as ad hominems is that Marx was very pro-worker and anti-capitalist, the owner class of his day I wish people would stop using language designed to create fear and hatred and divisiveness.
Hi Tanya.... just study the history of Marxism around the world. Over 100 million people murdered in the 20th century. The Chinese Communist Party is now harvesting organs from living people. North Korea is worse than 1984. Pol Pot killed millions with a hoe to the back of the head. Look at life in Stalin's Russia and in East Germany.
Marxism riles people up against injustice (which often exists) and then replaces it with tyranny that is much, much worse.
Many progressives like yourself are good-hearted people who want to help the down-trodden. The horrible fact is that Marxism---when applied---creates a hell that is much worse. This fact has escaped the notice of many good-hearted progressives. In other cases, they know it well and support it.
In terms of hateful language, Vladimir Lenin said this:
"We must be ready to employ trickery, deceit, law-breaking, withholding and concealing truth… We can and must write in a language that inspires hate, revulsion and scorn toward those who disagree with us."
Correction: over 200 million people killed by their Communist/Marxist governments. China alone racked up about 80 million, according to their statistics.
I had been using 150 million, I think based on Rummel's research. But the Victims of Communism Foundation states 100 million, so I went with that to avoid innumerable questions. And 100 millions is a LOT.
You've read Rummel - great post!
Yes, indeed. His stats on democide are mind-boggling.
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
if a fool is a person who is consistently foolish, shall we not call a fool a fool?
If yes then "we" are spreading division and are divisive, hating spreading hatred, let facts and history lesson take a back seat... It is clear you know the answers and are trying to educate those who know not
Peter--must disagree and call your attention to the difference betw what an ideology is about and what people do with it. A good deal of what you talk about has nothing to do with Marxism but raw totalitarianism under any name. I can note Cuba and Venezuela as 2 non-totalitarian socialist countries. The problems they have are due to the sanctions by the US trying to squeeze those countries dry so the US and impose its dictatorial will on them. Cuba has socialized medicine despite losing every single doctor after their revolution. They have the best health care system in the world despite the difficulty they have due to US sanctions. Do you know they will still train anyone in the world to become a doctor for free! The 'fee' is that people go back to their own country and work in economically disadvantaged communities for about 3 yrs. Chavez was providing food, housing and health care to the people, again despite the US sancitions. ARe you aware that Citgo gas is a Venezuelan oil company but it is forced to keep its money in US banks where the US has stolen billions of dollars preventing Venezuela from accessing the monies that are theirs for use to build their own country. Talk about economic imperialism which is totalitarian.
I find it interesting that you quote Lenin on using deceit but don't seem to factor in the very same kind of language used by this country to control the press and promote American propaganda here at home and abroad. Where is the difference? None I think. The level of censorship has been revealed with this past 3 yrs of covid with people high up in the science community reporting how the decision was verbally made to shut any opposition talk down regardless of whether it is correct or not. We know the government has spent millions on promoting a narrative based solely on selling untested drugs they knew were harmful and continue to do so even when people like Fauci finally admits they don't work. We can go on forever on this. But it is not just the Dems, the GOP has also supported this. It just has a different communication style but the goals are the same. Control the public and get them divided and not able to talk to each other.
Hi Tanya.... I don't agree with your take on Marxism, or Cuba and Venezuela as non-totalitarian countries. So, looks like we'll just have to agree to disagree. :-)
You really do not seem to see that the Dems were choosen and accepted the role to promote the greatest insanity on earth. This is no vindication of sainthood for the 'Pubs just a very sober fact...
um, Solzhenitsyn had some wise words about how Marxism was used. Are you going to defend some of the dogma on the left that is obviously pushed to extremes meant to inflame? can you defend full term abortions? sterilizing, castrating, mutilating children over some odd gender beliefs? segregation and race based preferential treatment in the name of attacking racism with racism toward a different race? sending hundreds of billions to the most obvious money laundering corrupt war in history instead of spending a dime to clean up toxins in Ohio? Detroit? Everywhere? Continued willful ignorance of pharma destroying society with opiates and poison fraudulent vax?
indeed those little details destroy the idea that they are both equivalent evil doers when one crew is easily 1000x worse at this juncture in history
We might agree on some things and not others. One disagreement is you buying in to t he Right propaganda which is quite good at distorting what opponents say. Abortion is not a legitimate issue for anyone but the woman who might need one. It has been used by the Right as a wedge issue based on some moral claim that doesn't exist. I have never heard anyone promote late term abortions unless the mother's life is threatened or the fetus is dead or so badly deformed it would not be able to live. Transgender issues are also blown way out of proportion and are also distorted as a wedge issue. People have no right to judge another person's personal identity and I dare say people have no understanding of what a person goes through when forced to identify as one gender when every part of their being tells them they are something else.. Straight people need to look at their own discomfort and deal with it--that is their problem and its time to stop dumping it on other people in discriminatory ways. I always subscribe to the principle that people are free to chose their own life as long as they don't harm others. That is my line in the sand. Freedom is not just for one side of the political divide--it is for everyone.. I agree about Ukraine and all wars for that matter. There has never been a war the US waged that was based on anything other than power and control. They never were about freedom which the US clearly does not support for anyone. The repressions under covid are a clear demonstration of this. And yes Ohio needs to be cleaned up. And so does the Detroit water issue and all the other toxic dumps in the US, etc, etc, etc. Pharma? Just another industry created for profit and control and never about health--ever! It's science is akin to what came to known as tobacco science, an apt ad hominem describing the fraudulent science and the propaganda promoted by that industry for decades before it was exposed in a successful legal challenge which took years to effect. I was really happy to hear RFK address the health issues in this country, particularly autism. And he did it so artfully avoiding using the V word which is already being used to mischaracterize him in a hostile way. I related to his comments about growing up and never seeing autism, or hearing about ADD/ADHD, and other autoimmune deficiency diseases. We did not have them. Kids all got their childhood illnesses and did not die of measles, mumps, chickenpox, etc. And there was no hysteria. That was another artificially created issue designed to sell vaccine drugs Actually, the argument for those drugs was about women being free to work without having sick kids at home--it was not about health. Another mantra for the corporate system's profit seeking.
Tanya you are so misinformed that responding is fruitless...
Does this make the point well enough? Or is this another right wing conflation?
https://rumble.com/v2jo5uk--washington-state-to-castrate-minors-without-parental-consent-as-un-pushes-.html
I believe people use the terms Marxism and Communism when what they really mean is Totalitarianism - the placing of the State above the Individual (Nazis did this also, in addition to the Soviets). This involves extreme moral relativism, as well as the destruction of personal sovereignty and identity and familial bonds - anything that may get in between the Individual and stage the State.
So when I hear people say Communism and Marxism I just translate that to Totalitarianism. Americans were propagandised during the Cold War so much about what the evil Commies did, that’s where their mind goes when they think of oppressive control and censorship etc. But technically, what they mean is Totalitarianism.
Le Chat Noir, I agree. Using the terms Left and Right are ironically another trap we fall into that was set by the establishment to keep us fighting among ourselves and remain blind to where the real enemy is. The real division is between the masses of ordinary people and those wielding power over us - captured governments (from across the political 'spectrum') hand in hand with banks and big corporations. By demonising the Left (or Right) we do their dirty work for them! Let's start using the language that describes what we really mean.
one thing is certain, someone has no idea what they mean or how to use them...
Just because you assert that language is being used in a particular way does in no way imply that you are correct
Karl Marx “ My object in life is to DETHRONE God, and destroy capitalism.”
So …enslaved you will be - because there will be no free market .
Is that the values of a person you admire? If yes, go live in China.
'right?' you mean left mainly and some of the right maybe
Left and RINOs
Oh STOP IT, you three!! We who've been around a while have seen PLENTY of hate and bigotry from the Right. It's just that the New Left took a page out of their play book and are using it just as nastily and worse. This is about people behaving badly to get their way. To the point that they forgot their point.
no Mr Troll you are attempting to promote the false idea of equivalency to the very recent phenomenom and screaming about it. There is nothing remotely equivalent at this point. Suggesting something about a play book is simply useless
No I mean the right is rabidly hostile to anything that does not look like them. These culture wars are designed for divisive purposes and are promoted by the Right with insane lies and fear mongering and no focus on what are really important issues like jobs and people right to a living wage.
Looks like the divisiveness worked very well on you. The Right aren't in bed with the WEF, the Communist Chinese, Fascism, the Biden Crime Family, Woke-ism, Antifa, CRT, transgender psychosis; the government/social -media/MSM Censorship Goons, Fauci and his ilk, etc.
The D control school/universities, media, big tech, banks, CEOs, all major cities, sports, Hollywood, WH, Senate and Congress the 1st 2yrs, pushing sex onto a 7yo, castratirate and mutilate a 12yo antifa, censorship. ukraine/Russia and somehow the R is a threat to democracy? 🥴 The left mandates, coercion, called us grandma killers bullied and scared us into submission.. but we drew a hard line when the left came for the children! All bets are off .. this is the hill I will die on!
maybe she thinks what we see as normal as abnormal
Idk .. I'm not about to get into someone's head. We teach our children to have tolerance and acceptance of oneself and others then they flip the script on us by pushing sex in school and sex toys for show and tell during school hours, gender affirm and trans woman is a woman but a woman is a cis. Get into women's sports and spaces and want to talk to kids. Tho I don't see trans man doing this shenanigans. So there is a big agenda here .. p£d.0.ph!le is pushing this. Their argument will be if a 10yo can consent to puberty blocker drug and surgery then they can consent to have sex with a 40yo man! Washington state just passed a law that if parents do not go along with their child gender affirm then the court will send CPS take that child away .. all democrats voted "yes" this is barbaric! How do destroy a country! You destroy within .. put a wedge between families like they did with c19 mandates and lockdowns and scared tactics. Hell .. the Democrat did a good job destroying the black communities the last 60yrs! Now they coming for the white family!
The W.H.O. agenda to sexualize children and normalize pedophilia
https://stopworldcontrol.com/whosex/
General Public Unaware Of Push To Normalize Pedophilia In Culture And Academia: Counselor
https://greatgameindia.com/pedophilia-culture-academia/
Tanya, can’t you see that both the Left and the Right do that? It’s all divide and conquer. You see that the culture wars are designed for divisive purposes, but then you forget that knowledge and blame the Right. If you stop and think for a moment, you’ll realise that from the position of a Right wing person in America, it looks like it’s all the Left being crazy and divisive. That’s how they cause division - make you think it’s all the other team being crazy and unreasonable. Your team seems obsessed with trans issues and censorship to the Right, which to them goes against reality and Western Democratic principles.
And you presumably believe one of the supposed “insane lies” of the Right - that these vaccines are harmful? I’m not trying to say the Right is correct on all this, I am for neither team anymore as I try to look above Team Coke vs Team Pepsi narratives. I’m just trying to show you that most people of the Right think perceive your team exactly the same was you perceive theirs, which suggests you are both being played.
the 'right' that is abnormal are the RINOs... really psychopaths that hide their true character
that's really out of touch with reality.... are you looking at things thru the reflection of a mirror making everything look reversed?
Sadly, playing into the division game. Few of us embrace either political party but we go to lengths to root for "our" team. I would class myself as leaning toward a bit less government, more fiscal constraint. At the same time I don't care who you sleep with, how you dress or if you have any particular religion. Just please don't force yourself on me. To my mind the government has no business deciding how much anybody gets compensated. I can accept minimal national safety restrictions. So am I in which camp?
What do you mean by "government has no business deciding how much anybody gets compensated?' and what would "minimal national safety restrictions" look like?
I agree that what other people do in their bedroom is their own business and that goes for their religion as well. As long as you dont impose it on me. That, in effect, is exactly what the separation of church and State means and it should be better understood and followed. This was never meant to be a theocratic State and for good reason. There are issues we can legitimately discuss and hassle out in a democracy like what are our priorities and whether more than 1/2 our budget should go to a military especially without any oversight. But without transparency and freedom to debate issues we are all subject to organized narratives created by those powers that are pulling the strings from behind curtains and that has resulted in the mess we have now.
IMO we should all leave our so-called leftwing or rightwing views at the door and concentrate on what we all agree on and that is freedom.
we can work out the rest of the stuff amicably when this war is over. left/right is a false binary anyway.
There is definitely truth to what you say. Those labels, as many others, are simply short cuts used to define a general position on whatever the issue may be. However, the language has been used to define divisiveness and as ad hominems. Further, each side of the political aisle has variations and there is a contnuum of positions that don't typically get defined. I will try to not use those words.
One thing critical is defining what freedom means. It also seems critical that it be defined within the context of a coherent society, what it means to live in a society and how tht society makes decisions. Some issues are universal and require developing broad understanding with efforts to meet the needs of people so they are not oppressed, repressed or defined out of existence. Self-determination for people's demographic and individual identity needs to be respected. Lots' to discuss for creating mutual understanding and respect.
IMO what is most problematic for people on both "sides" to grapple with is that freedom is an inalienable right, provided that we don't use that freedom to harm others or steal their stuff. otherwise, there must never be a limit on personal expression, or speech. the constitution codifies this. mutual understanding and respect arise from open debate, not a narrow window of politically correct discourse where the truth ministry requires us to hold our tongues lest we hurt some poor entitled creature's precious feelings.
if malone was really part of the movement, he'd drop his lawsuit against the breggins and the lawsuit against jane ruby. the breggins have done heroic work advocating for children and the least fortunate among us for six decades. jane ruby has been on the front lines from day one. those lawsuits are as classic as divide-and-conquer gets. until he drops them and apologizes, he's controlled op in my book. and not to be trusted.
That troubles me too, but even heroes have flaws, and that applies to the Malones, the Breggins, and Jane Ruby (and me, and maybe even you).
However, $25 million lawsuits each are a pretty big flaw. Why not just settle privately for no money? None of his actions make logical sense if you understand freedom and care about humanity. It's like he's a child having tantrums. I've seen him speak about not dividing those in the freedom movement, yet he's the one doing it! He's doing exactly what we're all against. He would not allow George Webb, a journalist, into a conference he was speaking at because George Webb has been questioning malone's actions with many troubling agencies and companies within the last few years and his close ties to people in the CIA. He and his minion, Dr. Ryan Cole will not allow people to question them or speak their own truth. Astrid Stuckleberger was basically told to shut up by Dr. Ryan Cole (who at the beginning of learning about all of these atrocities, I applauded but now I can't understand why he's behaving as he is except that he's being told to) because she said there's graphene oxide in the shots and he and his boss, dr robert malone don't believe it. There are a lot of questions around malone not just whether he created the mRNA garbage and not just whether he got the shot. And, it makes absolutely no sense for someone in his position, with his knowledge base and connections to have taken such a knowingly toxic shot. None of that makes any sense. So is it actually true that he got the shots or is he making that stuff up? Who knows for sure but him and maybe his wife? For someone who's had severe side effects from the shots, he's very able to travel the world to speak nonstop at many events and conferences? It's all quite mysterious.
I'd be interested in Ryan Cole's and Malone's response to this recent article:
April 2, 2023
'FDA confirms Graphene Oxide is in the mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines'
https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/fda-confirms-graphene-oxide-is-in-the-mrna-covid-19-vaccines/
Me too.
It does make sense that he took the shot, because although there’s plenty of malfeasance in medicine, plenty of drugs are safe and do what they are meant to as well. In his world he has to make certain assumptions of things being above board or you couldn’t get anything done. My Dad was on the board of a big Pharma company for years, he knows their dodgy antics, yet he still took the vaccines despite my pointing out to him why he shouldn’t. My friend, a medical physicist, still has implicit faith in the medical system despite now seeing how bad this vaccine is, because he says he can’t function in his job without that trust.
Nope it doesn't make ANY sense simply because as Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi has talked about and written about many times (https://doctors4covidethics.org/immunology-101-why-intramuscular-covid-19-vaccination-must-fail/
), it's NOT possible for something injected into the muscle to induce the proper antibodies that are needed for a respiratory infection. There has NEVER been a vaccine to cure the common cold or any respiratory infection and within in a matter of months (according to these "officials" who lied) they created the miracle cure? Come on. Also, the mRNA shots that were created and tested on animals killed all the animals and I learned that from Dr. Ryan Cole who is now tied to malone. And, you're telling me that malone wouldn't know ALL of that info. Someone like malone SHOULD know that ALL of that. It's his business to know it. I would be considered a lay person just like many here and we know all of that. How could malone a doctor and scientist (not a psychologist by the way - mass formation garbage) NOT know something these basic facts?
malone also knows how corrupt the system is because he worked(s) within it and he somehow very quickly wrote a book about it. How is he also an expert on that subject, too? Maybe he is but it's very interesting or rather perplexing how this guy who was very sick from these shots could write many very long substack posts a week, travel the world (that's why he got the shots so he says), talk at multiple conferences and events, tend to his very expensive horses, AND write a book that requires extensive research to validate the accusations. Perhaps, he's superhuman or maybe he's backed/supported by others. I think it's important for someone who has propelled himself up to such high standards (at least in his mind) and to such a high level of authority of a freedom movement to be completely transparent and completely open to anyone questioning him. Otherwise, yes, he appears to be hiding a lot and lying/deceiving.
And btw: drugs are very dangerous substances. I agree that they are useful when in true emergencies and critical situations but other than that NOPE. Most have so many toxins in them and are just there so people stay on them forever and need multiple ones or to suppress there emotions. Vaccines are also very dangerous. They have heavy metal and other toxic adjuvants in them that cause all kinds of damage to anyone they are put into. Our dog has high levels of flouride in his body most probably from the prozac he was given while at the rescue to calm him down. The garbage made his anxiety worse and that's what those types of drugs do. Nature is nature for a reason. The rockefellers started these poisonous pills, vaccines, etc to make more money and to kill people. It's that simple. Take a look at the flexner report and their history.
Would state emphatically that none of the aforementioned know anything useful about health. I am also credentialed, Doctorate degree, so not coming as an opinion piece. Some 33 years of clinical practice, not to blow my horn, just to point out it is not uncommon for propaganda to govern all things... Fools can be fooled.
At the same time know many 80 plus peeps that figured it out correctly, with about zero formal education and long before I might have considered it...
Really like the word fool, as its Biblical. Let me attempt to define. It is an individual, whose self opinion renders critical thinking skills mute and vociferous defends that which is patently false. Not trying to use it as a simple insult...
Malone is definitely suspicious! Until his ties with the CIA/Galloway are cleared up... people are not going to fully trust this man! Dr. Cole... I hope his support for his friend is not displaced? He has always been a truth teller.
When he first surfaced spoke at protest here in Maui. At that point he was saying all the right things and I also had your suspicion, in part or even mostly because he is a Virologist. A zebra can change its stripes but good luck finding one that has. Like E Musk, Malone both have loud far reaching bullhorns. Each man has done great things with their platform. If a restaurant is as good as its last meal, watch closely for defective activity. So far there are some infractions. Do not expect perfection do insist on consistency...
Yes. I thought so also, when Cole was at least one of the first, if not the first, to state that he saw an uptick in new cancers and a recurrence of cancers in the jabbed. That gave him immediate credence among those of us who contend that the jabs are synthetic biochemical weapons.
But to watch Cole state unequivocally that there are no graphene containing substances in the jabs, with no accompanying presentation of proof for his statement, was a bit much, given all of the evidence that belies such a statement. At that point, one had to question whether Cole, who is obviously an intelligent individual, is controlled opposition.
Edmond, your assessment shows great critical thinking skills and is spot on.
One reason I will give Cole some leeway is... he may think that ALL the vials of the, yes, bioweapon, are the same? Because NORMALLY that would be true. Sasha (and others) have shown that is not the case. The "quality control" (Brooke Jackson evidence) shows that not all vials contain same ingredients so... "maybe" Cole is under the illusion that one, or more, of the vials he has looked at represent ALL vials? Since Cole was one of the first coming out for Vitamin D to help folks... I just think his alliance/friendship with Malone is misplaced, sigh! We know that at least some of the vials DO contain graphene in them!
I do not think Webb is a real journalist. He may be a recent citizen journalist, but he claims a professionalism that I do not think he shows. I think he is an agent sent to sew division In the community. Nothing he says really educates or helps the movement, he only attacks our own, and he makes the most sloppy mistakes for a journalists. Gets people’s names wrong all the time, within one article even it will keep changing. And his spelling is bad for a journalist. Who is this guy that has just popped up. We know nothing about him, whereas we know Malone’s very well.
I wouldn’t let him in either because I don’t believe he asks genuine questions, he is there to muddy the waters.
Dr. Malone has been unfairly and mercilessly attacked. He finally started fighting back. He isn't the one who started it.
Jane Ruby isn't the most rational person around.
if peter breggin takes exception to something i say, i listen because he's been around a lot longer than i have and he's a lot smarter.
jane ruby was the first person to give sasha latypova a platform. compare that with malone's incessant weaselwording and mucking around in the third world vax space when he thinks nobody's looking.
Just received Breggin's book a few days ago. It is nearly 650 pages.
Anything but a light read. If anyone knows why Malone is suing him, apparently for 30 mil, please chime in. Any appeal for curtailing "infighting" needs to squarely address this issue! Virologist are foxes guarding henhouse, but anyone can shift at any time. It does appear he has...
Agree!!
Diana West has a good piece on Malone:
https://dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/4421/Dr-Robert-Malone-A-Risk-Analysis.aspx
and this. at 5:33 even the placebo in malone's relcovax contains hydrogel. which is graphene
https://www.bitchute.com/video/IQKb6lL8RxGy/
this is a hero of the movement???????
btw i don't think for a second that the lawsuits originated with him. he's just following a script. from whom, i would love to know.
Well, if you have 6 hours to spare, J.J. Couey does a good analysis of the video with Brett Weinstein, Malone, and Kirsch (I've never watched Couey before and actually thought his take/insights were very interesting)
DARKHORSE Forgotten Friday -- Gigaohm Biological High Resistance Low Noise Information Stream ("unmasking experts")
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1793431470
Sage Hana has a post on it, with a short video clip, and there are notes in the comments
https://sagehana.substack.com/p/experts-agree-clf-is-treatable
tessa did a much more succinct interview with jjc - fascinating and thoughtful guy - it's only about an hour :) https://tessa.substack.com/p/jj-couey-virus-no-virus
I've got about an hour left on this JJ analysis. I watched the original "airing" way back when and I'll tell you the hindsight on this is illuminating.
I never watched it when it aired--was already suspicious at that point. But watching this with J.J. was yes, very illuminating--like right away when they reassured the sheep that they too could meet and have close conversations while unmasked if they were vaxxed or taking Ivermectin--nice way of reinforcing the narrative!!!
And J.J. also noted how interesting it was that there was NO mention of the scientifically fraudulent PCR test, which was creating bogus case counts and bogus death counts. No talk of Vitamin D or zinc (so again, keeping within the pharma controlled narrative).
I can't believe I listened to 6 hours of that (broken up of course), but it was actually worth it and very interesting to see what J.J. picked up on.
Very interesting thought. Yes, I think I saw somewhere that lawsuits help to keep the opposition quiet, too.
Hydrogel is NOT graphene. Hydrogel is in loads of things, including contact lenses (that’s silicon hydrogel). And it’s not his vax, you must under a consultant is not an owner of a product. Malone is very much like my good friend who was a consultant regarding computers. Similar personality, similar considered, measured words, similar level of knowledge about many different topics because of the different people he’s met in his role.
the hydrogels used in the lethal injectables are graphene-based, see the work of ana maria mihalcea and karen kingston
Can you please point me where the hydrogel is described as graphene based? I found papers describing the hydrogel used in mRNA vaxes and it is ECM (extracellular matrix, commonly used hydrogel in many medical applications).
hi Sasha - are you in touch with Ana Mihalcea and Shimon Yanowitz? they are a good place to start https://anamihalceamdphd.substack.com/p/edta-chelation-dissolves-the-artificial
That piece is a MUST read for everyone. It is ridiculous to offer up an opinion as many do, without a deeper dive. Brilliant contribution!
Yes, I've read it.
agreed
Triple agreed
I don’t know Robert or Jill personally however Robert has been integral to building my understanding of the complexities of the world we now live in and I’m not throwing him under the bus. Thanks Meryl for your level head
There is a lot of trouble in the world, and I always find his contributions to the various topics to be informative and useful.
Ok, hurt, pain, I get it. Why is he trying to bankrupt the Breggins and Ruby with bullshit lawsuits he cannot win??? But they still have to hire lawyers in 2 states to defend themselves. Really.
Do you know why Sasha? Why don't you do your own research on this one? I will tell you why. It is about defamation. What do you do when you have somebody who lies without stopping about you and don't want to stop?
OK, please let me know what was defamation and lie. Also, very important for this line of legal proceeding, why exactly that type of "defamation" is worth $25 million in damages. Because Dr. Malone will have to prove this in court. I am listening.
Malone's lawsuit is despicable and cowardly. I have a longish comment that came after yours that provides a solution of sorts that probably will not be taken. The "lie" is/are Breggin's repeated claims that Malone remains a witting disinformation agent of the Deep State. This is explicit at some points and implied throughout Breggin's analyses. Malone is not really a tough guy--he has a very vulnerable ego and you may recall that from the very start he would allude to having had a "nervous breakdown" in his 20's after his major mRNA discovery. There is a genuine weakness there that prompts this awful lawsuit but I am old-school and my heart goes out to the Breggins. Defending against a defamation suit--and who the hell is financing this lawsuit--is watching your life savings bleed from your veins in a warm bath. You don't do that to someone like the Breggins unless you are quite malicious or as I suspect here, horribly vulnerable in a way that causes Malone pain even to contemplate. Which is why he signed his apology (justification) for his actions in all lowercase, "robert" Unless this horrible battle is top-tier CIA engineering and I am fairly confident that it is not (unless Desmet turns out to be an agent), it is a minor tragedy of its own making for all of us.
I'm almost positive Desmet is working for the other side. He's very, very slick. It occurs to me that intentionally or not, Malone's lawsuit is very effective at drawing attention from Desmet's underhanded rhetoric.
I wouldn't be surprised but found Desmet's first interview to be mostly pointless and distracting, so I move on. In other major Matrix controlled psy op narratives involving very polarizing topics (e.g. immigration "reform") I witnessed actors playing both sides or several sides as fake dissenters getting into huge battles at key moments as a way to fracture and demoralize the larger movement trying to battle globalism open borders agendas - akin to an IED exploding with shrapnel flying everywhere. A classic military pincer movement. We observed fake truther A Jones legally 'battle' deep state government assets against S Hook slander charges with Jones "throwing the fight" to drive a stake into free speech. In another example, a poorly composed covid-issue lawsuit in Europe by suspect dissenters to muddy the waters and set legal precedents against us. Yesterday I stumbled across Shiva Ayyadurai attacking RFK Jr for being strongly pro-vax at one point, but Ayyadurai was too, and in 2020 he attacked the Bollingers, long time vax critics. After that, RFK Jr held a fireside chat with Shiva's ex, actress Fran Drescher, to rip on Shiva. Bizarre. Shiva is MIT, a vocal supporter of 5G (and 6G IoB?), and he received a lucrative lawsuit payout riding on the coat tails of Peter Thiel (Palantir) in Thiel's crushing legal attack on Gawker (another strike against journalism and free speech?). We're dealing with some very ethical souls but also a lot of people with dubious histories and connections, like Kirsch and his OneID, Token and M10, projects that serve the rise of 4IR. Perhaps the best strategy is to point out inconsistencies and then focus again on exposing ALL aspects and modus operandi of the tyranny barreling toward us. Don't get too caught up in identity battles, don't give them our energies. A famous poet quipped something about how those in control will create two lies and then get people to argue about which one is true.
After years of wondering about Alex Jones whose rants and pathological lies are legion I decided that he is on the level but riddled with pathologies. I just finished reading his "Great Reset" book and liked it a lot. The ideas are his, all the craziness and lies have been eliminated, and it provides a very good and clear analysis of where we are and who we are fighting. I kept wondering who the hell wrote and/or edited this book because Alex could not do it. There is no co-author, but a simple word of thanks on p. 246 to Ken Henkenlively and that's the answer.
Shiva Ayyadurai is a pure mole. He infiltrated the election integrity lawsuits using a specious statistic to show a non-existant fraud that would have blown up in their faces if it ever went that far in court. Both Steve Freeman ("Was the 2004 Election Stolen?") and I tried in vain to warn the litigators on our side but we were ignored. The sad fact is that the pols and lawyers were not even bright enough to understand our exposition of why Shiva's statistic was a fraud and so they simply ignored us. Gateway Pundit also.
I've never doubted Steve Kirsch. You don't hear him backing cryptocurrency or vaccine IDs. Many of the anti-COVID vaccines were/are still fans of vaccines. Vanden Bossche is, Kennedy is for safe vaccines, etc. Malone's life was devoted to them until the scales fell from his eyes and he woke up (at least in part) to how we (USA, Big Pharma) were not the good guys.
Very much agree that the best thing is to point out inconsistencies. We're deep in the hall of mirrors right now and clarity is in short supply.
Desmet's messaging seems to include the following ideas:
-- the masses are foolish and desire totalitarian control out of our own anxieties (except for those of us who see through the "mass formation", whom he flatters and makes feel superior.)
-- it's not that science has been corrupted and captured by the oligarchy but that science and reason itself are dangerous. Instead we should... turn to irrationality and mysticism?
-- it's not a conspiracy
-- no really, it's not a conspiracy, here's an elaborate metaphor involving the flocking behavior of birds and a way to form the Sierpinski triangle to explain why the politicians around the world spontaneously adopted the phrase "Build Back Better" at the same time.
-- we shouldn't try to organize and overthrow the ruling class because it'll simply recreate the same problems. We need to speak up and wait for 'totalitarianism' to burn itself out on its own.
I've seen similar ideas from a few others too. Mark Changizi in particular has been pitching an "emergent phenomena" anti-conspiracy line like Desmet's. For those of us who think there *was* a large-scale conspiracy and that the perpetrators will kill and enslave us all unless we stop them, I think such rhetoric stands in our way of joining together and pushing back.
You may well be right on the money, with the introduction to Malone being the key to fracturing the resistance. Mole spotting is very difficult because there are so many pathologies and other defects and limitations that undermine us. I detest Desmet, so avoid reading/watching him at great length and depth but I have bought and read enough of his book to know this is either a mole or a very bright but grossly ignorant narcissistic self-important little shit. Malone has been seduced. I can't force myself to read his book cover-to-cover. Malone was introduced to Desmet by his wife, Jill. I don't know how she met Desmet.
Yeah, Desmet gives the appearance of knowledge, but if you have any familiarity with what he's talking about you realize it's only an inch deep. I've got a couple books on collective behavior — one funded by the CIA, which speaks to their interest in mass manipulation — yet Desmet doesn't really acknowledge any of the work in the area after Le Bon. Now that Malone is presenting himself as an expert in "5th generation warfare" (where did that come from?) it seems even stranger that he wouldn't have concerns with Desmet as well. Wasn't Jill's father in intelligence or something? I saw somebody else speculating she could be Malone's handler, which would certainly explain some of our confusion.
MORE trolling bee ess.
Dr Malone wrote about it on is substack. Also Mery Nass. Go there. The number $25 million is only a number when you sue somebody. The lawsuit is about defamation. They only have to stop lying about him. He requested that. What do you do in a situation like that?
no, that's not how it works. It's not just a number. He has to prove in court that what they said about him cost him $25 million. So it is a bullshit lawsuit, a lawfare against the Breggins and Ruby for unexplainable reasons.
And malone will stop lying when???
lol
And YOU will stop trolling WHEN???? When Malone sues the shit out of the Breggins' cowardly asses, using FACTS.
Awesome video. Thank you so much for sharing!
Can you read English? Because Malone posted the lawsuit.. WHO are YOU, really???
Brilliant response!! Assertions without evidence are foolish or deliberately deceptive.
Here you go Sasha -
IV. STATEMENT OF MATERIAL FACTS
● “Malone IS Dangerous. I knew from day one, this man is in the middle of every horrific thing that has happened to humanity. He is an operative running interference to keep this thing going. This is well worth your time to WATCH THE ENTIRE INTERVIEW of Dr. Peter Breggin.” https://t.me/PeterBreggin/86
● “Beware of Malone pushing this previously obscure and out of nowhere, Belgian psychoanalyst, Mattias Desmet. The two of them pushing this fraudulent ‘mass formation psychosis’. It’s really designed to criminalize the general public and perpetuate Ernest people in the health freedom movement as conspiracy theorists.” https://t.me/DrJaneRuby/7164
● “Robert Malone, campaigning around the world as a member of the health freedom movement, may be profoundly immersed in the Deep State of HHS, CDC, FDA, and Department of Defense. In the last five years, a period for which we have information, ending in 2017, Malone obtained and managed $9.5 billion in government contracts. Now he is a member of the new NIH agency ACTIV which promotes the Great Reset by bringing together multiple powerful US agencies — from the NIH, FDA, CDC, and DoD with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, and ultimately with a dozen of the top pharmaceutical companies, including Gilead, GlaxoSmithKline, Johnson & Johnson, Merck & Co., Inc., Moderna, Novartis, Novavax, Pfizer.” https://t.me/DrJaneRuby/7165
● “Breggin makes some key points: Malone was never part of any freedom or liberty movement prior to the covid scam. In fact he’s the opposite. He’s admitted to voting for Obama and Hillary. And his connections and associations are 100% CIA/DOD/intelligence community. That’s NOT the origins of the Health freedom movement. And now he’s positioning himself as the ‘leader of the health freedom movement’ And posing as some sort of conservative freedom movement guru? NOT”. https://t.me/DrJaneRuby/7166
● “The synonymous concepts of mass formation, mass hypnosis, and mass psychosis have an obvious damaging impact on the international health freedom movement and on the cause of liberty everywhere. These concepts take our eyes off the totalitarian global predators who are taking over and exploiting humanity. They restrain us from charging these predators with criminal conspiracy if we win the battle with them. The pernicious effects of the Desmet/Malone ideology came fully into light with the recent publication of Desmet’s The Psychology of Totalitarianism and Malone’s continuing efforts in support of mass psychosis.” https://breggin.com/Threats-from-the-Desmet-Malone-Mass-Formations- and-Mass-Psychosis; https://t.me/DrJaneRuby/7167
● “Whether Desmet or Malone consciously intended it, their ideology has seriously harmful effects similar to a psyops — a psychological operation — aimed at paralyzing the health freedom movement and freedom movements worldwide.” https://breggin.com/article-detail/post_detail/The-Desmet-Malone- Ideology-of-Mass-Psychosis-Blames-the-Citizens-and-Not-the-Global- Predators
● Dr. Malone is orchestrating a “psyop against the people”. https://rumble.com/v1j48gd-dr.-jane-ruby-show-mass-formation- psychosis-is-a-psyop-against-the-people.html
● Dr. Malone was “in the middle of” the “suppression of hydroxychloroquine”. Dr. Malone is engaged in deliberate “fraud” to “blind us to the predators”. “He’s a protector of the predators’. https://rumble.com/v1jn8xy-doctor-robert-malone-.html
● Dr. Malone is responsible for the “COVID Plandemic” and has intentionally committed crimes against humanity. Dr. Malone is “weaponizing psychiatry” against the American public. https://rumble.com/v1l4q4f-psychiatric-doctor-blasts-mrna-inventor-mass- formation-psychosis-blaming-yo.html
There are a few more examples listed, but you get the gist. As I read them, they seem more like opinions, sometimes harsh opinions, than defamation. But I'm not familiar with that law. Except for maybe the last two points, but I listen to the interview and Breggin makes a case for the comments (I didn't hear that he said Malone is responsible for the plandemic though, that may be an error on Dr Malone's part).
Malone published his defamation case on this substack
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/just-the-facts
if malone is so stressed out about being defamed, why hasn't he sued paul alexander or sage hana productions? both have attacked him relentlessly.
here's why. because whoever is pulling malone's strings is aware that the breggins are closest to the target, their cred is impeccable and they have more of a following.
the optics are chilling. suing an 86 year old man. really.
Good point. Even what the Breggins have said doesn't seem like defamation to me.
Another explanation to Malone targeting the people with the biggest following is not necessarily because they're on target, but because they have the biggest ability to hurt his ego with the most people.
alexander quotes PB in one of his posts today:, this capsulizes the issue:
"I criticized the concept of mass psychosis in my columns and the media, expressing concern in particular that it would be used to weaponize psychiatry. Diagnosing large groups of people as psychotic opens the way for one or another political faction to take psychiatric actions against them, such as involuntary incarceration and “treatment.” It also distracts from the wealthy and powerful elite who are actively dominating and exploiting the people — and have been doing so since the dawn of civilization in fiefdoms, kingdoms, slave states, and empires."
https://palexander.substack.com/p/kennedy-and-malone-kirsch-whats-this
i don't think it has anything to do with malone ego. he's just following orders from above.
You think that Sasha Latypova does not do her own research? Do your own research about Sasha Latypova and get back to us.
and WHO are YOU, really?
When I watch this (see clip below) it shows the Malones trying to make these Hawaiian kids accept the jabs. I would think they SHOULD have been saying 'Run as fast as you can and do whatever you need to do to avoid these jabs that will sterilize or injure or kill you' but instead they try and reassure the kids about the safety of the jabs, the rarity of the side effects; no excuse. https://budbromley.blog/2022/02/17/dr-robert-malone-in-hawaii-in-talk-story-with-children/
Thank you for posting that video. I was wondering where it was. Watching that video should infuriate EVERYONE!!! Meryl should see this. malone said he was harmed by the shot yet he's promoting it to children. CHILDREN!!!!! He's insane. He's saying that it's possibly ok to have these toxic shots put into the body of children. He knew that at least back to spring/summer 2021 when he was interviewed by Brett Weinstein with Steve Kirsch that the spike proteins get to the ovaries. He saw at that time that there was a huge list of adverse events that they cause including death. It was in the video. These children are asking if the shots can harm them and one asks whether the shots can cause fertility issues and he doesn't say, "Yes, do not take these shots". He says, 1) talk to your parents and your doctor (a doctor that most likely will push the shot), 2) nobody knows how it will effect fertility. WHAT????????!!!!!!!! One girl says she's scared to get them and his response is "Don't be scared". I'm beyond furious. I'm beyond having any understanding that anyone can't see through this man. This is insanity. How anyone can not see that something is wrong with this man... I just have no more words.
Thank you Debra. I agree with you 100%. I'd say there's something seriously wrong with that man and something seriously wrong with a supposed medical freedom movement that embraces that man. In my view, the medical freedom movement has been infiltrated and sabotaged from within.
You are welcome, Debra. I also wonder, where are their parents? What was the real purpose of the video? Qui bono as the saying goes? It seemed wrong then and oh so much more wrong now. Betcha it will get pulled and quick now.
All good questions. Download the video if you can or screen record it.
Just watched the video and heard Jill Malone tell the girl with fertility concerns that it wasn't known whether it would affect fertility, so just don't get it. And Robert Malone did not tell the smart young girl not to be afraid of getting the shot, but that instead of being afraid in general, she should talk to her parents about it and learn as much as she can because thinking for herself is the most important thing. He also said it's not his place to tell her what to do, that only she and her parents can decide. I imagine he must be very careful about what he says or be accused of all kinds of crap from the parents and officials who are still on board with the safe and effective narrative.
I was surprised by a few things Malone said at the beginning of the video, but at this point have to chalk it up to him being overly careful about not igniting the wrath of those who could file legal charges against him. He's a sensitive man, and that's my intuition, not anything I've read. Look how sensitively he spoke to these kids as he tried to help them understand both sides of the argument about whether to get the shots or not. He clearly said the chances of kids becoming seriously ill from the virus is zero. I don't blame folks for being concerned about where Malone is coming from, but I think Meryl Nass is telling the truth about the young age at which he was working with mRNA technology. Why should we expect him to know everything about this mysterious, lab-created virus that has several other properties than the ones Malone was working with 30 years ago, including the fact that he was not working with spike protein? I don't like the lawsuit he's brought against the Breggins either, although I've read on it extensively and they were saying some horrible, character-assassinating things about him, for whatever reasons. Let's at least try to be fair.
He's got some very mysterious and concerning connections and ties to many agencies and companies. He was involved in the anthrax vaccine years back. And, he does silence people who go against what he says. Those are just some of the strange things around this man. There's a lot of mystery. Follow George Webb's and Saga Hana's substack. Read Diane West's article about malone's past.
Regarding the video, why would he bother even speaking with children about all of this if he has to be so careful? If anyone doesn't tell someone the severe dangers and harm then they are complicit in that harm. He was saying that the athletes have lost their level of performance due to the clots that the shots cause. Hmmm... that's pretty telling. Does he explain the severe dangers of these clots to the unknowing children? No, he doesn't. He doesn't explain that these clots can lead to death. Too many unanswered questions surrounding this man.
Regarding his sensitivity. There are so many actors in this horror show and being sensitive is not very difficult to play when you're trying to be something your not. Have you see the performance of fraudchi? Bottom line is, it's important to look at someone's history and very tight connections, listen to exactly what they are saying and how things might be twisted, and look at their actions. Critical thinking and looking at all the pieces of the puzzle or as many as you can find, and with malone there's a ton, is very important. It would be great if he was a good guy but something is just not right about him.
Also, this is a very wealthy man. If he's so interested in helping save humanity then why do you have to pay to comment on his substack? Why not make it free? What's he afraid of? Or is he that greedy? Also, is his book free? He clearly wants to spread the word about the bad things the government has done, right? He clearly doesn't need the money.
fwiw, there's also a short clip from the full video here:
https://sagehana.substack.com/p/the-second-shot-almost-did-me-in
And I'm kind of confused by Malone's timeline on the injections. I think he said he took them in April/May 2021, so he could travel. And he wrote somewhere that he almost died from the second shot, but I don't think that was mentioned on the Darkhorse podcast w/Kirsch and Weinstein was in June 2021. But on Sage Hana's substack post above, there's a tweet of him getting the injection again in Jan 2022--so he got it again after it supposedly almost killed him?
That is not at all what they were doing. They were telling them not to be scared of the virus, they said the vaccine doesn’t really make sense for kids because the virus isn’t bad for them, but they also were careful not to tell anyone what they should do with their body. They were respectful of personal autonomy and what their parents wanted, encouraging them to talk to them. But they also encouraged thinking for themselves.
I beg to differ. It was disgraceful, inappropriate and normalized these death jabs. If one of those kids was yours, I think you might feel differently. This is, after all, a genocide.
So well said! You are a gem Dr. Nass, you can see the forest for the trees.
It is a shame some have fallen into that trap.
I went to a speaking engagement that Dr. Malone headlined. After the main event people wanted to talk with him and his wife.
The time he took with each person was truly remarkable. I think he spent at least another 2 hours after a very long travel day to make sure each person was heard. It was quite remarkable. He could have very well took a couple of questions and high tailed it out of there!
He did not.
I am grateful for his knowledge and his efforts to awaken people.
No. What's hard to understand is how you shy away from a lot of REAL evidence that malone ignores and doesn't even attempt to explain. I imagine that you are ignorant of it. I suggest that you interview author/investigative journalist George Webb and question him intensely. If his assertions fail scrutiny, then your defense of malone will be vindicated. I don't think it will go that way though.
2 examples:
https://georgewebb.substack.com/p/robert-malone-no-limits-to-hypocrisy
https://georgewebb.substack.com/p/bob-malone-whose-project-are-your
And I can understand defamation law suits to clear one's name. But when you are as filthy rich as malone is (despite him crying otherwise), he should be suing for $1 + attorney fees, not $25M. That's an intimidation tactic with a dose of greed. It is not "immensely honorable."
I absolutely support Webb being questioned intently. As soon as I questioned him though, he blocked me from posting on his substack, with no attempt to clarify anything. I don’t trust him and all he does is muddy the waters and cast aspersions. And he is very sloppy with peoples names and spelling for a supposed journalist. Where did he come from? He’s only popped up recently.
Bravo. Meryl!! Beauty always comes through, and this is a beautiful article.
Yet another article with useful information. We need all the help we can get and Dr. Malone has worked very hard for movement. I Learned first about pseudo uridine from him for example, and he’s had a lot to say about government tyranny being involved.
We need all the voices. Even those who aren’t all in with our particular perspective: virus/no virus (what Covid it is exactly does matter but it isn’t central to the question of stopping the jabs), bioweapon/something less than that, efficacy/no possible benefit only harms from the shots and so on. MSM voices that puncture the narrative somewhat like Tucker.
Alex Berenson in spite of him saying a few very disappointing things. Dr. Jane Ruby in spite of her being overly critical of some in the movement. The Breggins in spite of the same. And the Malones. Thomas Renz and Matthew Crawford even though they disagree over the DMED data. And all the others even though a few will no doubt be
chaos agents.
The main problem is the $25 mil lawsuit. Even if Dr. Malone is correct it still does more harm than good to go this route. I think Catherine Austin Fitts had it right, everybody in this movement has to be willing to go through the refiner‘s fire.
Dr. Nass, you are a kind, caring person and you seem to have lovely friendship with Dr Malone.
I'd think you could understand why people have questions about Dr Malone. Yes he has given some good information at times. But he's also a long time insider in the long corrupt history between pharmaceutical companies, our government, and the alphabet agencies. As such, he warrants the highest scrutiny within this movement.
Just because he took the transfection is not a reason to withhold this scrutiny. This is a really important point. Just because he took the transfection doesn't warrant withholding scrutiny of his insider work history.
In fact, because the risk benefit ratio was so obviously against this transfection, the fact that he took it brings up more questions for me, not less. Why could he not think that through? Is he so blinded by the benefit of something called a "vaccine"?
The people I hold above Dr Malone are the ones that were right from the very beginning about the true risk of this coronavirus and the transfection. They did not take the transfection and they spoke out right away. One of those people is you Dr. Nass. Surely you can understand on a purely intellectual level why Dr Malone should be questioned and scrutinized. You may be right, on emotional level some people want to act out. But on an intellectual and rational level, the scrutiny is warranted.
There are also some genuine questions which we in the resistance need to be able to talk about, and which so far don't seem to be mentioned by some of the "leaders" who have emerged; such as: (i) how can someone as knowledgeable as Malone still advocate that one "released gain-of-function mRNA-virus" could replicate so well as to circulate for three years around the world and "kill millions", when he knows that single-stranded mRNA viruses, as distinct from DNA clones, are not so replication competent? (ii) how can someone as knowledgeable as Malone about mRNA vaccines still emphasise the story that "it was the spike", when he MUST know that transfection itself is harmful (unless he supports Pharma to "do better next time"? (iii) how come so much emphasis on ivermectin when there are stories about HCQ, vitamin D, zinc etc? These questions are not motivated by deflected anger, they are genuine scientific implausibilities in Malone's eloquent presentations and substacks. I would love to see a discussion between different counter-narrative proponents instead of law suits! https://www.twitch.tv/gigaohmbiological/video/1793431470
Yes you are absolutely right about these points. By not repeatedly highlighting these three points you've made, he's not helping people to keep sight of the big picture. The big picture is that a real world wide pandemic probably not possible. Our bodies and immune systems are too varied and complex and continue to evolve with the natural environment every moment of every day. Even the 1918 flu only killed a small percentage of the world's population, and the United States less than 1%. Now people could be subjected to a toxin, or can be weakened by food shortages and be more susceptible to illness. But we should not be afraid of gain of function viruses, and we have many therapeutics that can help. The fact that Malone is narrowing this knowledge means he contributes to people being vulnerable to another fear-based pandemic narrative.
I think it's good for everyone to point out these discrepancies in our movement, and at the same time build happy healthy communities in our personal life. Every one of us needs to make sure we don't get caught up for too long in negativity.
I do not think you represented the Malone skeptic point of view as well as you could have. He may well be an all around fantastic guy, I truly don't know, I have a generally positive opinion of him. In particular I'd be interested to know his role in apparently helping make Remdesivir the go-to covid treatment. Maybe it's been discussed elsewhere, its impossible to keep up with it all. At the very least, I think your assumption of the skeptics motives is mistaken, in many cases. It's near impossible to tell who the good guys are nowadays; even for the people closely paying attention.
I don’t understand the vitriol aimed at Dr. Malone. Anyone who was watching from the beginning, who saw him on Bret Weinstein’s podcast with Steve Kirsch, and has followed his actions and writings since cannot in good conscience see him as a bad guy. People need to accept that Fauci et al will not be punished and get over it. The fight isn’t over.
Then why is he suing good people for $25M other than to silence them?
Fauci and Gates were deliberate lightening rod characters in the script. Did that distract you from, for example, wondering why Kirsch created OneID to track what a person does online and offline, not unlike Musk's plan remake Twitter into a WeChat type platform? Or what Kirsch may have been expecting creating Token and M10 which supports "open banking" requiring digital ID verification by third parties (that will then sell your data) and these same third parties will be in a position to micromanage your life and CDBC credits as per program compliance with Human Capital Markets and their very wealthy impact investor stakeholders (i.e. holding a stake to impale all of your remaining freedoms).
So you see Steve Kirsch as controlled oppo too? Did he and Malone both take the shots and get injured just to prove their bonafides in the MFM? I think the problem is you see them as larger than life monsters, taking orders from some phantom controlling entity rather than human beings who have made mistakes, and who are deliberately being smeared by clever propaganda. Which you've swallowed, apparently.
Is this akin to being called a heretic for asking questions about what people are doing that appears to be in opposition to Health FreeDom and civil liberties in general?
That's the same emotional programmed attack of those who get angry if a person asks Trump supporters why didn't he stop covid vax mandates, or why did he sign an EO for Opportunity Zones that was literally written by Silicon Valley executives as a tax loophole for the wealthy to transfer their assets to what amounts to Agenda 21 and 2030 SDGs for 4IR technocracy, or his support of Red Flag Laws, and other concerns.
I’m not angry. Just wondering why people are zooming in on Malone and Kirsch, who both have admitted their past mistakes and blindness about the systems they were working in. Steve Kirsch is completely inept at cryptocurrency, having lost millions in the FTX collapse. Robert Malone’s work on mRNA was decades ago, and yes he worked for the DOD for a time, but he has never tried to hide that fact. No one is above scrutiny, so turn the question about Malone around and ask why Stew Peters, Jane Ruby and the Breggins made him a target over a difference of interpretation of Matias Desmet’s book. That difference didn’t amount to a hill of beans, Dr. Desmet offered to sit down with them and discuss it and the Breggins refused. Why? And then the personal attacks against Malone began. Everyone who supports the Breggins think they are saints and above reproach. If that’s true then someone is manipulating them. Who? Personally, I don’t take anyone’s word as gospel. I listen to to them all and try to discern the truth. Asking questions doesn’t make anyone a heretic. This isn’t a religion and the various members of the MFM aren’t saints. Just human beings with their own virtues, vices and individual egos.
You initially tried to reframe what I said as though I was name calling (monsters and controlled op). Your reply now is the kind of rational discourse that I am saying we must have and cannot hold back questions because someone has become prominent and is viewed as a hero by some.
Musk is an inept businessman, but his grandfather Joshua Haldeman oversaw the Canadian branch of the big North American 1930s era Technocracy Inc movement seeking a global totalitarian surveillance state, and now Musk is serving that end. Haldeman was also Chairman of Canada's Social Credit Party and eventually forced to leave the country facing the threat of sedition charges. What happens in one instance, here and there, with powerful and connected people, is part of a much larger tapestry being woven. Kirsch is backing tools for the rise of a form of digital slavery - that's very clear whether he knows it or admits it on some level.
If you watch Dr Couey's deconstructions of Malone's statements and participation in the advocacy for massive growth in mRNA vaccines, then you might revise your statement that his participation was only decades ago. I wish he would discuss the many mRNA cancer vaccine trials that failed. Why didn't he help us understand this early on? Also the hiding of unintended gene therapy consequences which an honest vaccine scientist developer from India tried to blow the whistle on. Doesn't make sense to be receiving massive grants and working at the highest levels of government pandemic planning and not have a clue about major problems with the field. We need more people in the know to be honest and earnest about what's happening, not just Dr Malone.
I apologize if I misread your initial comment. Please point me to a recent essay or video of Malone himself speaking, not someone’s interpretation of what he said, where he advocates for a “massive growth in mRNA vaccines.”
I suggest that there is only one very legitimate reason to be angry with Malone, viz., his scurrilous defamation suit against the Breggins, et. al. I side with Breggin against Desmet but not against Malone whose foolish support of Desmet I suspect comes from 1) as superficial a reading of Desmet’s book as Breggin has devoted to Malone’s words and record, and 2) being a brilliant scientist who is unskilled in philosophy of science and hence confuses an appealing metaphor “mass hypnosis” or worse, “mass psychosis,” with a scientific theory of why people are so stupid, gullible, and behave so idiotically. Of course the world has gone mad, yet none of the vast number of people playing their appointed roles in this madness is hypnotized or has become psychotic in the process except perhaps some sad victims of lock down.
Malone is clearly in psychic anguish over Breggin’s partly wild and unfounded attack upon his motives and character. Breggin calls him out as an agent of the Deep State, and he is dead wrong. Nonetheless, I do not have a polite way to say this but: Malone needs to grow up and be a man. He should have spoken to Breggin when he telephoned him and had the chance instead of hanging up and he should have debated him before or after that call in a public forum. Malone’s vast exegesis of his probity in suing Breggin—whose professional stature arguable allows him to be held to a higher standard—is rebutted by the brute facts of Breggin’s pettiness, irascibility, and patent cognitive decline. It is especially hypocritical of Malone to make this argument given his previous description of Breggin as an "aged psychiatrist with anger control and frontal lobe issues.” https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/politico-pushes-for-who-power-grab Meryl’s recent analysis of Breggin's essay accusing Malone of not warning us of COVID-vax dangers after Malone published an early-COVID-era paper showing potential dangers of the vaccine finds Breggin behaving like an ideologue and polemicist, quite foolishly. Desmet’s claim that the victims of this mass propaganda campaign of fear and terror creating a faux medical horror that can only be solved by universal vaccination are responsible, at bottom, for their fate makes Breggin (and so many of us) see bright red. Desmet’s statements that the imagined conspiracy is a figment of our imagination makes me wish to do something to Desmet better left unsaid. That most of the people involved in the orchestrated destruction of our society and its gravitation towards both tyranny and chaos have no idea what they are doing—including some but not all of the MDs who have killed their patients and continue to do so—is correct but requires an entirely different explanation. Ibsen's "Enemy of the People" gives more than a hint. Robert F. Kennedy’s forward to Judith Mikovits’ book, "Plague of Corruption: Restoring Faith in the Promise of Science" is another good place to start; so is the Netflix Documentary “Capturing the Killer Nurse.” The theory is not very complicated, certainly not very flattering to humankind, and can be stated in less than 10 pages.
One crucial video is of Breggin BLASTING Malone on the Stew Peters’ show, https://stewpeters.com/video/2022/09/psychiatric-doctor-blasts-mrna-inventor-mass-formation-psychosis-blaming-you-for-covid-plandemic/ In the video Breggin twice refers to Malone exonerating the despicable Dr. Brix [sic, pronounced as “bricks”] by inventing this crazy concept of Groupthink (Malone inventing the concept) and then remembering a little later that he actually knew the guy who invented the concept at Harvard (Irving Janis). God love Peter Breggin, but that is not the man to be now held to higher standards. Malone has never answered Breggin’s critique of Desmet, nor can he do so, and Desmet’s self-defense posted on Malone’s website is pathetic and inculpatory. My own visceral reaction to Desmet’s book is as profound as Breggin’s—probably worse. But none of that affects that we are all on the same side, all fighting the same enemy and that the Breggins' life-long history of moral courage and public service should register enough on Malone to move him to behave like an adult who has a prominent position in the health and medicine branch of anti-Globalist movement. Instead of suing the Breggins he should agree to a public debate against Peter with Meryl as moderator. Then we should all get back to work.
Thank you for this.
Your respect for the Malones and gratitude for their efforts shines in this piece, Meryl. Thanks for this perspective on their path, and for your call to unity. In so doing, you are already furthering RFK Jr.'s stated mission to heal the divide. (Thanks also for our brief but meaningful conversation by the women's room after the event on Wednesday. I was happy and honored to meet you... :-)
In 2021, when I was struggling mightily with whether or not to get the vaccine, and I was THIS CLOSE to getting it, I watched Bret Weinstein's podcast with Malone (and Steve Kirsch), and it was Malone's well-informed words of caution that pulled me back from the brink. I never did get the shot, and for that I owe Malone a debt of gratitude I can never repay. And I thank you Meryl, for defending this hero who sacrificed so deeply, and who has meant so much to so many.
Let's take the long view. Dr. Malone was just many of those in the scientific community that was pointed down this road. REad "The Code Breaker" by Walter Isaacson who does a deep dive into the development of gene editing which has been a on going project for 40 years! In my opion it is bias for injctions, but gives a great history.
The culmination of the work of 1000's of astute scientists from around the world has contributed to the ability to manipulate the genes of our DNA which is the blueprint of life. I wonder how many of them have remorse. Does Dr. Malone have remorse? We now are full steam ahead in producing nano drug injections as the new technology for treating disease states. The manipulators believe they can treat viral infections, cancers, and genetic defects and more with this knowledge. Billions and billions are being invested by many many drug manufacturers because they see this as being proprietary, patentable and profitable beyond their wildest dreams. That's why cheap off the shelf drugs and nutrients have been discredited and ignored by the mad medicine men who want to inject! They feel no guilt for the great harm they caused by launching the Covid con! There has been an alignment of the goals of the DOD/CIA, Big Pharma, Eugenists and the Globalists in this Covid con and it is time to call out the key players who have used middle men to push the Covid con to it's current status. Fauci was key. RFK Jr has had the drive to document his manipulation of medical research into a bias and harmful forms that has destroyed the lives of many, injured millions and has caused massive economic damage. Dr. Malone's lawsuit makes no sense, because both Breggin and Malone are creating postive truthful facts about the harm being done. Why he targeted Breggin to tell all not to thread on his character is shameful. The Italian physician working for the WEF has said with glee "Humans are now hackable". That is what needs to be stopped NOW! We may very well exterminate human life on earth along with our cattle and hogs that have and will be injected with these mRNA injections that reprogram cellular function and are uncontrolable and have caused great harm and will continue to do so. Dr. McCullough has said that Pfizer tested the mRNA on 8 mice and they didn't immediately die, and went forward and then decided to do human studies that demonstrated the great harm they did. Their reward was great because they are happy to report their sales have topped 100 Billion dollars. Sue them, Sue Moderna and all the othe bad actors. We need to focus on motivation, stop the injections and save our children from a miserable adulthood! I have great respect for the Breggins and their life work. I pray that Dr. Malone will see that he has made a mistake and will drop the law suit. I believe there are events in Dr. Malone's career that will never be disclosed because of his work for governmental agencies that demand secrecy!
Interesting book mention. I will check it out. Thank you. Isaacson's was Steve Job's biographer and CEO of the Aspen Institute, a deep pyramid cap insider.
I see bias and spin in the book, but it details the history of those who believe they can improve on God’s design!
Incredibly ironic given what that group believes they will accomplish through transhumanism and their endless use of symbolism to emphasize that including Job's bite out the apple and the sale price of the first Mac. Perhaps backhand revelation of the method. There was Imperial College's disruptive technologies chart that rose to the surface in early 2020 with a stylized periodic table (a nod to alchemy, ordo ab chao) listing some very radical goals. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/administration-and-support-services/enterprise-office/public/Table-of-Disruptive-Technologies.pdf Gilead, maker of Remdisivir, is listed under predictive gene based healthcare (61). Around two months ago IBM had to sell off its Watson Health division, which AFAIK, was their flagship for an eventual AI medicine takeover, on the big wish list. IBM spent billions on that, billions more acquiring Truven's massive medical record base and converting it all to blockchain, and billions to create an AI replacement for radiology physicians and gave up on that too. If we're lucky, perhaps the project is seriously behind on schedule but they're hiding the big problems so not many seem to know as AI is endlessly hyped now.
Wow! The Unabomber manifesto declared that technology was going to destroy this world. I’m starting to believe he is right. When I look at that periodic table of technology changes that we are pushing without any realization of how they are going to impact mankind’s future.!
Did you catch the documentary film about the Unabomber, the internet, and the CIA creation of the counter culture? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn9BvNAUvcU&ab_channel=FadiAkil IMHO the information gold vein to mine in that film is the Macy conferences and cybernetics. Not long after 9II when I was trying to figure out what the real long-term agenda is I came across cybernetics and the Macy conferences and took a deep dive. As an analytical person who likes to think outside the box (Feynman is one of my favorite scientists) and strong pattern recognition, I did a rapid extrapolation and visualized exactly what is taking place today to usher in Technocracy (see Patrick Wood's books, interviews, and website technocracy.news). Then I remembered some interesting details about Kaczynski and found and read his manifesto. Bingo! Right on target, a brilliant analysis. Interesting he was transformed into a dissenter after being tricked into being a Harvard MK Ultra experimental subject which apparently triggered some level of PTSD.
BTW if you ever want to take a deep dive into the 60s counter culture rock music connections to MK Ultra, social engineering, Macy's conferences , cybernetics, technology, and the deliberate creation of a human physical merger into machine hive mind then I recommend checking out Dr Hans Utter's presentations on Logos Media. The most popular series is a four-part series case study of the Grateful Dead which was censored by youtube and can be found in search on altcensored.com. Here's a link to Part 1. https://altcensored.com/watch?v=8PN451C3m0w
The Music Mind Control and Psychobiology series is also good, and some others.
Thanks for the heads up!