After the breakup of the Ottoman Empire, following World War I, Britain took control of most of the Middle East, including the area that constitutes modern Israel. 17 years later, in 1936, the Arabs rebelled against the British and attacked their Jewish neighbors.
The British formed a task force, the Peal Commission, to study the cause of the rebellion.
The Commission concluded that the reason for the violence was that two peoples, Jews and Arabs, wanted to govern the same land. The answer, the Peal Commission concluded, would be to create two independent states, one for the Jews and one for the Arabs, a two-state solution.
1st Rejection
The suggested split was heavily in favor of the Arabs. The British offered them 80% of the disputed territory, the Jews the remaining 20%. Yet, despite the tiny size of their proposed state, the Jews voted to accept this offer. But the Arabs rejected it and resumed their violent rebellion.
2nd Rejection
Ten years later, in 1947, the British asked the United Nations to find a new solution to the continuing tensions. Like the Peal Commission, the UN decided that the best way to resolve the conflict was to divide the land. In November 1947, the UN voted to create two states. Again, the Jews accepted the offer and again, the Arabs rejected it. Only this time, they did so by launching an all-out war. Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon and Syria joined the conflict. But they failed. Israel won the war and got on with the business of building a new nation. Most of the land set aside by the UN for an Arab state, the West Bank and East Jerusalem, became occupied territory. Occupied not by Israel, but by Jordan.
3rd Rejection
20 years later, in 1967, the Arabs led this time by Egypt and joined by Syria and Jordan, once again sought to destroy the Jewish state. The 1967 conflict, known as the Six-Day War, ended in a stunning victory for Israel. Jerusalem and the West Bank, as well as the area known as the Gaza Strip, fell into Israel’s hands. The government split over what to do with this new territory. Half wanted to return the West Bank to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt in exchange for peace. The other half wanted to give it to the region’s Arabs, who had begun referring to themselves as the Palestinians, in the hope that they would ultimately build their own state there. Neither initiative got very far. A few months later, the Arab League met in Sudan and issued its infamous three-NOs, no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with Israel. Again, a two-state solution was dismissed by the Arabs.
4th Rejection
In 2000, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak met at Camp David, with Palestinian Liberation Organization Chairman Yasser Arafat, to conclude a new two-state plan. Barak offered Arafat a Palestinian state in all of Gaza, and 94% of the West Bank, with East Jerusalem as its capital. But the Palestinian leader rejected the offer. In the words of U.S. President Bill Clinton, “Arafat was here 14 days and said no to everything.” Instead, the Palestinians launched a bloody wave of suicide bombings that killed over 1,000 Israelis and maimed thousands more, on buses, in wedding halls, and in pizza parlors.
5th Rejection
In 2008, Israel tried yet again. Prime Minister Ehud Omar went even further than Ehud Barak had, expanding the peace offer to include additional land to sweeten the deal. Like his predecessor, the new Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas, turned the deal down.
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Meryl, these are the facts. You're kicking against history. Land-for-peace has never worked. "From the river to the sea" has been the theme of the Arab intent to wipe the Jews off the map for a full century, just as predicted in that Book which Mohammed told all his followers to read.
From the start of the Mandate in 1920, Zionists bombed and shot both British and Palestinians almost daily. There were three Zionist terrorist gangs. They recruited 12 and 13 year olds to bomb trains, fire and police stations, even bombing schools and orphanages as well as hotels and movie theatres. They even bombed the homes of fellow Jews who would not fund their terrorism. And of course they assassinated public officials. The 1936 Arab uprising was in response to the flooding of the country with Zionists who publicly said they were going to take Palestine and force Palestinians out. Palestinians had fought with the Allies against the Ottoman Empire in exchange for the promise of their own state after the war. Balfour was well aware of this promise when he assured Rothschild that Palestine could be a refuge for Jews. But of course, neither ever dreamed that Zionist thugs like Ben Gurion and Jabotinsky would aim for a Jewish ethnostate with Palestinians enslaved, evicted or imprisoned. When this became clear, and when it became obvious that the British were not going to stand in their way, Arabs rebelled. Wouldn't you? But long before that Zionists had been shooting Palestinians and refusing to work with them or allow them to be hired.
When the new UN "intervened," Zionists owned only 7% of land in Palestine and Palestinians owned 85%. But the UN "solution" was to give 56% of the land to the Zionists and 44% to the Palestinians, who had three times the population. And the part assigned to Zionists was the part where Palestinians owned the most land. Palestinians rejected this "deal." Wouldn't you? Why would anyone agree to give burglars over half their house? Israel accepted, saying PUBLICLY that they would take the rest of Palestine later. And that's exactly what they have done.
You're conveniently ignoring the fact that the Jews had a 3500 year homeland there, and that the Muslims didn't even appear until approx year 600 AD. You think the Jews would "enslave, evict, or imprison Palestinians" yet the Jews tried to give them a state over and over again, and freely gave them all of Gaza, which was a huge mistake.
Extremely ignorant, uninformed comment. Palestinian DNA is Canaanite; that is, Palestinians are the direct descendants of people who have always lived in Palestine. Religion is not ethnicity. Of course Islam developed later than Judaism. But Palestinians did not spring into being at that moment. Islam is not an ethnicity, nor is being an "Arab." The term Arab simply means you speak Arabic. Arabs are of multiple ethnicities. When the second temple was demolished in 70 A.D., the Romans barred Jews from Jerusalem, but not all of Judea. Many of those living in Jerusalem left Judea at that point, but the truth is, they had been leaving for hundreds of years for a number of reasons. There were better opportunities elsewhere. By that time, there were more Jews outside of Judea than in it. Jews populated the entire Roman Empire. But in 70 A.D. there was no mass exodus. The Jewish country people stayed put. And over time, they changed their religion depending on who was in power. After awhile they became Christians--that's why 10% of Palestinians are Christian today, and why some of the oldest Christian churches in the world are in Palestine. Then later when the Middle East was conquered by Islam, people changed again--not at first, because Muslims did not force people to convert. They were quite tolerant of both Christianity and Judaism. But they did do something guaranteed to make people convert--they taxed people more heavily if they weren't Muslim. So it was simply easier to make a living if you were Muslim. But Muslims had quite a bit of respect for the other Abrahamic religions. In fact, Muslims opened up Jerusalem to Jews for the first time in 600 years. Palestine then became a pluralistic society lasting right up through the Ottoman Empire. There are people alive today who remember when all the Abrahamic religions lived side by side in Jerusalem with no problem whatsoever.
Now let's address your claim that Jews had a 3500 year homeland there. First of all, there was no such thing as an Israelite until the Iron Age. After the Bronze Age collapse, a disparate group of people moved to the hill country of Palestine, probably a mix of pastoralists, farmers and former city dwellers. Over time, they developed their own identity. About 1000 BC they formed two small states within Palestine, Israel and Judah. Israel was by far the bigger and more successful, but Judah ended up writing the history, so Israel doesn't come off as well in their telling of the story. But neither state was independent for most of their history--they ended up being controlled and governed by a series of large empires: Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek and Roman. The only time all of Palestine was a Jewish state was for 18 years under the Hasmonean tyrant Alexander Jannaeus, who was famous for crucifying 800 Pharisees in one day. He was so bad the Jews breathed a sigh of relief when the Roman Empire took over. But for all of the rest of history, Palestine was inhabited by a number of tribes, not just the Israelites. So no, Jews do not "own" Palestine, and the last time they did was for 18 years just before the advent of the Roman Empire in the Levant.
Now, let's have a thought experiment. How many ancestors do you suppose each one of us has going back 2000, or 2500 years? Many thousands--our ancestors double about every 25 years. Do you think it rational of anyone to claim land some of their ancestors lived in 2000 years ago? Most of my ancestors are Norman French--should I go to northern France and throw someone off their land because of that? I also have Scandinavian, English, Welsh and Irish ancestors. Can I claim land in any of those places? I have a Jewish ancestor from medieval Spain, and that person has thousands of ancestors who hailed from Palestine. That means I have thousands of ancestors from Palestine. Does that mean I have a "right of return" today to claim West Bank land from a Palestinian family who has olive trees planted 1000 years ago?
The truth is, Duane, that no one has the right to show up in a place their distant ancestors lived in 2000 years ago and throw the indigenous people out or kill them. We decided in the 20th century we were going to make laws making that illegal. It's called International Law. And there's a reason for that--if everyone did it, it would be chaos, because anyone could claim land anywhere.
Finally, did Zionists "offer the Palestinians their own state"? No, they did not. At no time during the last 100 years has anything like a "state" been offered to the Palestinians. They've been offered at most a concentration camp with no freedom of movement and no civil rights, and no right of return to the lands they owned and were violently evicted from. They don't even have the right to water or electricity or communication. They aren't even allowed to fish off their own coast. They are not allowed to have an airport, a navy or an air force. Israel even controls the number of calories allowed into Gaza per person. Israel controls whether someone can have a job, if they can leave, and if they can have medical care. They are not allowed to COLLECT RAINWATER. Israel knows the name of every single person in Gaza and the West Bank--they are the world's most surveilled people, even newborn babies. They know where every person is, all the time.
With all that, Palestinians are one of the most highly educated groups of people in the world. They have a higher literacy rate than Israelis. They have more doctors, lawyers, professors and engineers per square foot than anyplace else. Prior to the creation of the state of Israel, Palestine was a modern country with beautiful cities and a vibrant economy. All of that was taken away from them by a rapacious group of racist thugs. Since then Israel has formed a state based on constant terror and incessant attacks. Palestinians can be kidnapped from their beds and held in prison indefinitely with no charges and no trial. Every human rights organization on earth has Israel on its watchlist for this. Prisoners are beated, starved, tortured and raped. Again, well attested. Before 10/7, Israel had 1500 of these hostages. Now they have 10,000. Yet it is the Palestinians who are the "terrorists."
I like how "extremely ignorant, uninformed people" [like you Linda] who love to comment in support of a fake man-made knock-off religion, based on a child-molesting, sex pervert who would bang all 6 of his wives and then go to the Mosque stinking and dripping-in sperm! Did you also support Islam’s WTC’s events, or their recent rocket, rape, and kidnapping protest in Israel?
Thanks for telling us who you really are, Steve. You are sick. And wow, talk about ignorant. I've got news for you. ALL religions are man-made; all religions are humans trying to make some connection with or come to some understanding of the divine, and falling short. Your OT heroes also had multiple wives. And I'd suggest you read the Talmud if you think The Quran is so shocking in regard to the treatment of women and children.
There has never been any country known as Palestine. Did you not read the comment by Taylor that the Palestinian people WERE OFFERED A STATE 5 times, and turned it down each time???? If Israel had such total control of Gazans, then how could they build hundreds of miles of terrorist tunnels, accumulate massive weapons stash, and perform the horrific attack of 10-7? Any prisoner in a Israeli jail is treated a million times better than a prisoner of Hamas, many of the hostages were brutally murdered, and starved and beaten. You're so slanted with bias that's pro Muslim it's pathetic. There's not a single day on earth, that Muslims somewhere aren't torturing, raping and murdering innocent people. Their Qur'an demands it.
There was never a country known as Israel either until 1948. As I said before, the little state of Israel (much smaller than Canaan or Palestine) in the OT was governed and controlled almost exclusively by large empires, exactly as the state of Palestine was controlled and governed by the Ottoman Empire. Palestine was a Christian country in the Middle Ages longer than it was ever controlled by Israelites. The tunnels were mostly built by Israel long before Gaza was "turned over" to the Palestinians early this century. We know that because they used to conduct interviews with the press in their tunnel "command centers." Your claims about better treatment for Palestinian hostages are laughable. As I said, EVERY SINGLE human rights organization on earth has cited Israel for their miserable treatment of their hostages, going on for decades. They are fed dry rice, which is toxic. They are raped, beaten until their bones break, tortured--all attested by multiple agencies. All you have to do is look at a person who has been imprisoned for months, and you often see a skeleton who has aged ten years. In contrast, the Israeli hostages have been release in good health despite the fact that the population has very little to eat. No Israeli hostages were "murdered" except by the IDF bombs or assault rifles. Name a single Israeli hostage that was treated as you claim--you can't name even one. In contrast, the IDF shot and bombed their own people on 10/7, bombed and shot more of their own people in Gaza, and just recently killed another three of their own people while "rescuing" four others. It's ludicrous. Especially since Hamas has multiple times offered to release ALL the hostages (at least once a month) in exchange for Palestinian hostages. Israel has refused. Your claim that Muslims are torturing and raping innocent people because the Quran demands it is risible. Any person with a normal IQ can spend two minutes online and compare the number of people killed by Zionists/Israel versus the number killed by Palestinians over the last 100 years and see Israel has killed 10 times more people. Anyone who is not a cretin can compare the number of innocent Muslims killed by the US versus the number of Christians or Jews killed by Muslims and see that the US has killed 100 times more. You are so moronically ignorant and racist you can hardly see straight. It is not "bias" to look at data. I'd suggest you try it.
Try reading "Prophet of Doom" by Craig Winn. He states the actual words of Muhammed from the Qur'an. It's a non stop diatribe of kill the Jews, the Christians, the non believers. Rape, torture, kill, is all condoned as righteous for Muslims.
You're completely brainwashed by the propaganda that Israel treats the Palestinian prisoners badly, everyone knows that from the UN to European countries, they all blame Israel, they all repeat the lies of Hamas, it's always been a drumbeat of "Israel Bad" Why does the UN vote against Israel more than any other country?
With Muslims far outnumbering Jews, 1.6 Billion Muslims, and only 14.7 million Jews, the Islamic propaganda vastly overwhelms. Muhammed said, "war is deceit" The Qu'ran advocates Muslims to lie to defeat the enemy, (any infidel). Too bad that you're completely taken in by the brainwashing.
My information comes from Israeli historians and archaeologists, all professors at Israeli universities. Many of their books were NYT bestsellers. Try again.
Who fires thousands of rockets into Israel targeting civilians? Who sends suicide bombers into Israel to kill innocent people? Who sends gunmen into Israel to murder innocent civilians? Yes, the Palestinians, who are the terrorists.
Thanks for taking the time to share this, this is the sort of super nerdy response that makes the comment section worth reading. I have learnt some stuff today, appreciate it.
I wonder if Law & Review Magazine: ever chimed in on the poor citizens of Jerico? As per what God-backed Jews did to the poor people of Jericho, as in the Bible's Joshua 6:21? "They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys! (Except for "the prostitute Rahab, her father and mother, her brothers and sisters and all who belonged to her.") I wonder how the U.N. would treat that? Do you?
Give me a break--I have a PhD, and there are multiple historical sources authenticating everything I've said, including the archives of the terrorist organizations themselves. It's not like they weren't proud of their actions. Most of what I've said here can be found in the UN pages on the Palestine issue. If you've never heard of any of this, it's on you, not on history. A good book that is now in the internet archive is State of Terror, by Thomas Suarez. His sources are the Palestine press, the British War College historical records, and the archives of the Zionist terror gangs. Those terrorists are the parents and grandparents of current Israeli politicians. But there are many other books. It's not as if the Mandate period is a secret, nor is the promise the Palestinians received from the Allies in WW1. https://archive.org/details/stateofterrorhowterrorismcreatedmodernisraelthomassuarez/mode/2up?view=theater
P.S. Zionism is not Judaism, which is an obvious logical fact. That explains why there are hundreds of thousands of anti-Zionist Jews in the world. Zionism is a racist nationalist ideology which arose from the same ferment in Germany as Nazism. Both are based on the idea of racial purity. Not a single observant Jew in the 19th c. accepted Zionism as a legitimate idea consistent with the Jewish faith. The early Zionists were all atheists.
What is the source of this text? I searched for a sentence or two with Google and found various copies, the earliest of which is from this 2017-03-27 video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76NytvQAIs0.
There's a lot of propaganda / rhetoric / ignorantly or maliciously compiled material along these lines:
Ms bad, stupid, corrupt, dangerous, genocidal etc. Js oppose Ms who want to kill Js. Therefore Js good and anything to the contrary is false, unbalanced antisemitic etc.
Js bad, stupid, corrupt, dangerous, genocidal etc. Ms oppose Js who want to kill Ms. Therefore Ms good and anything to the contrary is false, unbalanced Islamophobic etc.
A quick look at Linda Hagge's comments below makes me thinks she knows a lot more about the history and current situation than does anyone who finds the above text a suitable summary. What she wrote about the history of Jewish people is consistent with what I recall from reading, about ten years ago, these books, thought not in the following ideal order:
His annotated 2005 English translation of these, except I didn't get to the end of Deuteronomy: "The Bible with Sources Revealed" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/151882.The_Bible_with_Sources_Revealed. It was clear that these five books have been put together and/or written by Jewish priests ca. 600 BCE in an effort to combine elements of two earlier divergent texts which were popular in the northern kingdom of Israel (which collapsed) and in southern Judah, where the refugees from the north retreated to. All this text is myth, to say the least, thought I think there are parts of Deuteronomy with potentially useful, proto-democratic, constructs, in which the priests construct a supposedly divinely-ordained framework of governance in which the power of kings is limited, and the priests have a lot of say (as well as getting a guaranteed protein supply from the animal offerings, which were only to take place in Jerusalem). This is all fiction posing as reality. This doesn't mean it has no potential value, but my life would be complete without any of this stuff.
I am currently reading John J. Collins (Ed.) "The Encyclopedia of Apocalypticism, Vol. 1": https://www.amazon.com/dp/082641253X. As best I can tell, this is an account of the origins of apocalypticism (the belief in an end of the current world, with a static, perfect, world thereafter) in various approximately Persian texts, it incorporation into Zorastrianism, its enhancement by a sect of Jews in the centuries leading up to 0 CE, and how this heretical (to most Jews then, as now) sect's theology was adapted by Jesus, Paul et al. as the basis for Christianity.
People who take seriously the (broadly) Jewish, more narrowly Jewish supremacist, angle on Arabs, Muslims and the right of Jews, or at least Israelis, to create a safe homeland in the Middle East, in part by killing or expelling Arabs/Muslims further and further as the Israeli state grows (towards engulfing the entire area, from the Nile to Iraq and parts of Saudi Arabia) into "Greater Israel" https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XIAuxaRwpWQ might want to read some quotes from at least some of the Zionists, going back to the 19th century: https://michaelhoffman.substack.com/p/nazis-and-zionists This was compiled by a former member of the IDF. Jews, Judaism and Israel are not all sweetness and light. I am not defending Islam or Hamas.
Although I knew all this, your summary is so succinct and clear I'm copying this for my records. Well done. The goal of Arab Muslims has always been the same. A one state solution, that is, only a Arab Muslim Palestinian state with no Jews or Christians allowed, and no Israel allowed to exist.
Ridiculous. Perhaps you'd like to share your source for this. There is no such statement from any group of Muslims, including Hamas. The Hamas charter specifically says their beef is not with Jews, but with Zionists. Palestine before Zionism shared the land with Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews. Has there ever been a movement to ethnically cleanse Jews from Palestine? No. Your claim has no basis whatsoever.
Thanks for your clarifications about the circumstances and timing of the various rejections.
These are mainly due to the simple fact that Arabs DO NEVER GIVE UP THEIR STOLEN LANDS !!! Before that happens, they'd rather prefer to be martyred by the thousands. Just watch current events in Gaza.
What really would be interesting to read from you, is how it comes, that before disintegration of the Ottoman Empire, genuine Jews (NOT the vicious, non-religious Zionists which entirely are a British brain-child), Muslims and Christians lived in TOTAL harmony for HUNDREDS of years ?? ... 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Not only in the current occupied Lands of Palestine, but throughout North Africa and the middle East !!! ...
Could you please be so kind as to elaborate on this paradox of local history ??
Perhaps if you read _Uprooted_ by Lyn Julius you'll discover that "total harmony" is your illusion. Mohammed stated that peace can be had only when the Muslim has his foot on the neck of the infidel. That's the 3000 year history, and a clear explanation of why the Jewish population in the Arab world has been reduced by 95% since the 1940s.
{...Mohammed stated that peace can be had only when the Muslim has his foot on the neck of the infidel...}
Please be so kind as to elaborate in detail: Number of Sora and lines, preferably in Arabic and NOT translated ...
{...Jewish population in the Arab world has been reduced...} Not only in the Arabic/Muslim influenced regions.
Have you ever wondered what could be the underlying reasons that lead to the forced expulsion of Jews from most of the countries they have been living in ??...🤔🤔🤔
This is NOT an Arabic feature, it is world-wide; and most probably will increase again after realizing what kind of thoughts and end-goals drive the Zionist Entity.
Unfortunately, most folks have no idea how to clearly differentiate between a person that follows Judaism in a genuine and sincere way and the political power-institution that is Zionism.
What "stolen lands"? Jews had a 3500 year homeland in Israel, Muslims didn't appear until 600AD. The Muslims were the conqueror's of all of the middle east, and stole all of the land they now have.
Shall we go back to Abraham, the common ancestor to Jews (NOT Zionists) and Arabs ?? Jews were a tiny part of local folks and Canaanites were always a majority.
Although the Jewish population of Israel ebbed and flowed over the many years, there was always a population there. Islam didn't even exist during most of that time, and the Muslim conquest didn't occur until 636 AD. When the UN decided to give Jews and Palestinians two states in 1948 I'm certain they considered the thousands of years of history. The establishment of Israel was actually one of the most legitimate formation of a nation is all of history. Arabs or Muslims couldn't accept this, even when they occupy 99% of the land mass of the middle east to Israel's .16%. Supposedly Muhammed flew to Jerusalem on a magic horse thus giving Muslims complete ownership of Israel.
You really tried your best to provide some "evidence" that The Zionist Entity is acting in defense and has the sole rights on the currently occupied Lands of Palestine.
But reality is more complex and only time will show if that synthetic, entirely propped-up artificial, apartheid-regime can survive without foreign (Jewish billionaire's and US taxpayers) aid.
Israel is outnumbered by a million to one. The only democracy in the middle east. But their bravery and determination to survive is a million to one over their enemies.
Land seems less their issue than the presence of Israel. With every opportunity to take the millions of welfare money and move on they choose to obsess over the presence of Jews.
The internet is full of photographs from 19th and early 20th c. Palestine of Jews and Muslims living side by side in Jerusalem. Indeed, Torah Jews (who are anti-Zionist) recall a time when Muslims and Jews babysat each other's children and were neighbors without any conflict. And as I said, it was Muslims who opened up Jerusalem to Jews when Christians had barred them from it for 600 years. Linguistic studies have been done of the three Abrahamic religious texts--the Quran is the least violent of the three, even less violent than the New Testament. The Hebrew Scriptures call for the violent extermination of anyone who is not an Israelite. Just read Judges and Kings. And then when you are done with that, look up simple statistics: who has killed more people in the Levant, Jews or Muslims? It's not even close. Over the last 100 years, Zionists have killed more than ten times as many people. The entire economy of Israel is based on the extermination of the Palestinians; it would fall apart without arms sales and the export of surveillance and police materiel. Israel exports violence to every other nation on earth. And it is about land. Look up "Eretz Israel." From the beginning of their project in the Levant, Zionists have claimed not only Palestine, but most of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and part of Egypt. Israel routinely attacks Lebanon and Syria. They have seized and occupied Syrian land, and just as with Gaza, they have routinely attacked southern Lebanon and deliberately targeted civilians and infrastructure.
Muslims are pretty keen to kill other Muslims - in some cultures at least, including their daughters who behave in ways thought to dishonour the family. The Sunnis and Shiites have been fighting and killing each other since a generation after their prophet founded the religion.
I am not defending other religions or races. While the Israelis have surely killed more Palestinians than Palestinians have killed Israelis, in the last century or so, doesn't the Shiite vs. Sunni Iran Iraq war's death toll tower over that of the Palestinian conflict?
You're really smoking some good stuff to think that the Qu'ran isn't violent. Over and over again, it advocates the extermination of Jews and Christians. The economy of Israel is based on agriculture, science, manufacturing. Has nothing to do with "exterminating Palestinians" Each and every military action performed by Israel is strictly defensive. Consider the thousands of rockets fired into Israel by Hamas and Hezbollah. They target civilian areas. Israel targets military installations.
The whole world well remembers how high-ranking Zionist politicians called the Palestinians names, not only once but repeatedly and to "treat" them accordingly.
For the IOF (Israel Occupation Forces) apparently also hospitals, schools, universities, libraries, sites and vehicles of intl. humanitarian aid organizations, civil registry- and real estate register-offices, water-treatment plants, civil infrastructure of any kind, Christian churches, etc. etc. are all considered military installations and deemed legal targets ...
OK, at least they do not hide their evil goals any more.
Just let's educate the folks that Zionists and genuine, self-respecting Jews are definitively NOT the same.
Whoever lives in the Zionist Matrix's thought-bubble will eventually suffer from severe fits of cognitive dissonance.
Good luck with that !!
Btw: I just wonder, why it's almost ONLY Zionist women who engage in this kind of discussion ... Maybe, its is dawning to them that they never will be able to outcompete Palestinian wombs ??? ...🤔🤔🤔🤔
Or is it dawning to them that the whole idea of Zionism is a British construct to exert power/control in a strategic region and they are all just useful pawns for other people's gains ?? ...
You have to consider the source. The New York times is basically a mouthpiece for the deep state. I’d be more inclined to believe the opposite of whatever they report!
A two state solution should have taken place in 1948 which the Israelis accepted the Arabs did not. Perhaps if they hadn't attacked Israel in 1948, today there would be a two state solution. Perhaps if the other Arab countries had taken in the 650,000 then displacd persons in that territory, there would be no prolems all those years. Plenty of Jews have been killed or displaced for centuries. It's sad for evryone.-especially the innocent young children.
Consider that you are taking the NYT as a source when it is convenient but know it is not reliable. Also, you are out of your area of expertise. Consider listening to Mosab Yousef- son of one of the founders of Hamas and see what a danger this all is to us and the entire western world.
I wonder just how many commenting here know that there is apparently a substantial amount of o-i-l off the shores of Gaza, according to a (public) U.N. Commerce report...
Never ever forget what jihad culture entails. All the time, every time. And raised from birth to not accept anyone who does not comply. The people on the border that were killed were extremely sympathetic to Gazans and were actively and practically helping them. And they also worked for a political qnd geograhical solution. BUT converting was not on their radar. Hence the massacre by those whom they had considered friends. Gazans were being provided decent employment by the border communities, and also what the communities thought was friendship, by the exact people who attacked them. This IS fact. This is jihad.
We get lots of talk about Islam, while all along Israelis are doing barbarous atrocities. The proverbial cat is not only out of the bag, the bag is in tatters and can’t be repaired.
Your conflating descendants of Abraham with Europeans is one major error. And even if the European Atheist terrorists who founded modern Israel had actually been Semitic, that would not give them the right to steal land owned by other Semites. I have English and Scottish ancestry, that does not empower me to go kick a Scottish family off their land and claim it as mine.
Most of us appreciate your stand for the Palestinians. Most of the world does. And what Israel is trying to do is so obvious and has been for a long time. Reality will eventually come crashing down on the heads of those too blind to see it yet.
That sounds like a great idea!!! Any group of people who terrorize civilians and grow up to live, breathe, and hate their neighbors; these people were referred to as gentiles.
Don't entertain a knee-jerk reaction simply because the source is the NYT: Israel wants control over the West Bank because they want the land and access to the Jordan River Valley. Look at maps. What's the water source in this region? Where there's water, there's life. Hmmm? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54116567
From the article: "He says most of the people who live there are religious, right-wing Jews, who believe they have a right to settle in the West Bank.
'There's a negative connotation to the word settlers, it's upsetting,' Mr Lourie said.
'The majority of people who are so-called settlers are law-abiding citizens who are very right-wing, who believe that the land belongs to them, who believe that we should be here.'"
Very interesting articles, Duane!! I've concluded that Israel, best understood by the fact that the Rothschilds provided the initial funding for the state of Israel, continues to have conflicts with the inhabitants which preceded them, most often called Palestinians, because Israel represents the interests of the Rothshilds Cabal. Those interests include extracting the natural resources and assets from the region as well as establishing 21st century technology and populations who reflect those values on the land. The Palestinians are not a developed people in Israel's view. We need look no further than Trump's proposal for the area which was largely an invitation for Palestinians to accept entry into 21st century commerce by exploiting their resources and land...including the water in the Jordan Valley.
However, being continually bombed and murdered for decades in an open-air prison evidently dissuaded them from any negotiation, but essentially, I would characterize Palestinians as more tribal people who live close to the land...who derive identity and value from their relationship to the land. Rather than being allowed to continue their culture and heritage and develop at their own pace, they're being rushed and segregated into a technocratic hodgepodge of enterprises to exploit the land, resources, and people.
I think the current conflict in Gaza is more a result of Israel wanting to exploit the natural gas deposits off the Gazan coast plus acquiring the strip of land known as Gaza. With that land, they acquire far greater access to shipping lines and capacity.
Rumors have swirled for years that Qatar and other similar regions hold vast reservoirs of natural gas which they would like to transport cheaply and viably to Europe. One such proposed pipeline ends in Israel who would be a natural selection because of their focus on technology and military power to provide stability in the region. Israel simply represents the pathway forward for the Globalists like the Rothschilds who see a technocratic oligarchy as the best governing tool worldwide.
Here's a quote from The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories: "The Jordan Valley is a fertile strip of land that runs along the West Bank, east of the central highlands. Sparsely populated, it has many open, undeveloped areas. As such, this area is the largest land reserve for future development of the West Bank. It could serve to create urban centers; develop advanced agriculture for export; develop energy project and industry.
Instead, however, Israel exploits almost all of the Jordan Valley and the northern Dead Sea for its own needs and bars Palestinians from entering or using about 85% of the area: be it for construction, laying infrastructure, shepherding or farming." https://www.btselem.org/jordan_valley
I don't think much of anything can be understood in terms of past history or religious viewpoints. I think the entire circus can be understood if we realize fully how the world is being artificially shaped today and pushed into a dizzying speed of growth via astronomical growth in computers/computer power, genetic studies, and military weaponization of the planet.
If Israel was dead set on "exploiting" the natural resources of Gaza, then they wouldn't have left in 1994. They handed over complete control to the Palestinian Authority. What you're completely missing is that Gazans are brainwashed with Islamic radicalization from birth, their only goals in life are to murder each Jew, as well as Christians, eliminate every single "infidel" from all of Israel. This is why there are no other Islamic countries willing to take in Gazan refugee's, they all know that they're nothing but big trouble. This is part of why Gaza only exists from a monthly donation from many sources of $12 million, they're not self sustaining in the least when all their efforts go to building terror tunnels, rockets to fire into Israel, schemes to infiltrate and murder Jews. Gaza is simply one huge terrorist camp.
We can agree to disagree. From my perspective, your POV fails to see the picture from a larger perspective. You're involved in the narrative of evil vs good and black vs white. That narrative is deliberately orchestrated by people who manipulate policy via organizations like IMF, World Bank, Atlantic Council, Trilateral Commission, BIS, etc. and who consequently manipulate governments. For goodness sakes, they control the media worldwide!!
Here's a great video. "Secrets of the United Nations by Cǎlin Georgescu and Dr. Reiner Fuellmich. Mr. Georgescu is a former UN Executive Director and former President of the Club of Rome Europe. He testifies that the whole modus operandi for the UN, global NGOs, and the various organizations I list above is to impoverish people; strip their countries of their natural resources and assets; and create conditions worldwide which benefit only themselves. https://www.bitchute.com/video/osFASxP9DzF0/
Again, none of this war in Gaza is truly about ideology. The real causes for movement of any kind geopolitically are only the attainment and realization of control over natural resources throughout the world. Certainly the UN Agenda 2025 ergo 2030 ergo 2035 ergo 2040, supported by the WEF, which proposes to catalogue and place digital and bioengineered ID tags on everything...trees, plants, crops, people, equipment...even water!!...etc...reveals their goal to contain the ownership of the earth to themselves. Look up the UN's plans to segregate people into 15-minute while legislating all other land as off-limits and privately controlled by the elité world government.
There is no such conspiracy of Hamas attacking Israel just so that Israel can take out Gaza for the natural resources. It's the radical Islamic mindset of pure hatred, bred into them from birth, that they must murder every Jew and spread Islam over 100% of that region, and the goal of taking over the entire world. It's a religious war 100%. Did you not notice how at one time Islam took over the entire middle east, and were in Spain? The Qu'ran does endorse Muslims to steal as much "booty" as possible, but not once does it say a word about "natural resources"
Here, I urge readers to watch a video which completely debunks any notion that the Oct. 7 wasn't preconfigured with abundant assistance from Israeli factions. Now, heed my words carefully. Many factions can exist within any country...no doubt exists that the Oct. 7 was a joint venture between Hamas and Israeli factions. John Hankey's “Oct. 7 Was an Inside Job”: https://rumble.com/v4m56ii-october-7-was-an-inside-job-by-john-hankey.html
Here I say: "Cogent people remain baffled. How did Hamas manage to disconnect, dislocate, and abridge every security feature in Israel’s vaunted $1.1 billion iron wall and fence which guards the Gaza border for Israel?" I even include a pictorial diagram of the Israeli's great Iron Wall. Pretty impressive!!
"The barrier, which took 3½ years to build, is above and below ground and extends into the Mediterranean sea. It is fitted with sensors to detect tunnel construction and includes remotely controlled weapons systems and an array of radar systems with cameras that cover the entire territory of the Gaza Strip....
The army decided to build the 65km fence at a cost of almost €1 billion after Hamas made extensive use of attack tunnels during the 2014 Gaza war, with a number of militants successfully infiltrating into Israel via tunnels built under the border."
Uhhh. Ya think those motion sensors could have detected fighters sawing through a cement wall?
As I said, we'll simply have to agree to disagree.
From Law & Review Magazine:
After the breakup of the Ottoman Empire, following World War I, Britain took control of most of the Middle East, including the area that constitutes modern Israel. 17 years later, in 1936, the Arabs rebelled against the British and attacked their Jewish neighbors.
The British formed a task force, the Peal Commission, to study the cause of the rebellion.
The Commission concluded that the reason for the violence was that two peoples, Jews and Arabs, wanted to govern the same land. The answer, the Peal Commission concluded, would be to create two independent states, one for the Jews and one for the Arabs, a two-state solution.
1st Rejection
The suggested split was heavily in favor of the Arabs. The British offered them 80% of the disputed territory, the Jews the remaining 20%. Yet, despite the tiny size of their proposed state, the Jews voted to accept this offer. But the Arabs rejected it and resumed their violent rebellion.
2nd Rejection
Ten years later, in 1947, the British asked the United Nations to find a new solution to the continuing tensions. Like the Peal Commission, the UN decided that the best way to resolve the conflict was to divide the land. In November 1947, the UN voted to create two states. Again, the Jews accepted the offer and again, the Arabs rejected it. Only this time, they did so by launching an all-out war. Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon and Syria joined the conflict. But they failed. Israel won the war and got on with the business of building a new nation. Most of the land set aside by the UN for an Arab state, the West Bank and East Jerusalem, became occupied territory. Occupied not by Israel, but by Jordan.
3rd Rejection
20 years later, in 1967, the Arabs led this time by Egypt and joined by Syria and Jordan, once again sought to destroy the Jewish state. The 1967 conflict, known as the Six-Day War, ended in a stunning victory for Israel. Jerusalem and the West Bank, as well as the area known as the Gaza Strip, fell into Israel’s hands. The government split over what to do with this new territory. Half wanted to return the West Bank to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt in exchange for peace. The other half wanted to give it to the region’s Arabs, who had begun referring to themselves as the Palestinians, in the hope that they would ultimately build their own state there. Neither initiative got very far. A few months later, the Arab League met in Sudan and issued its infamous three-NOs, no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with Israel. Again, a two-state solution was dismissed by the Arabs.
4th Rejection
In 2000, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak met at Camp David, with Palestinian Liberation Organization Chairman Yasser Arafat, to conclude a new two-state plan. Barak offered Arafat a Palestinian state in all of Gaza, and 94% of the West Bank, with East Jerusalem as its capital. But the Palestinian leader rejected the offer. In the words of U.S. President Bill Clinton, “Arafat was here 14 days and said no to everything.” Instead, the Palestinians launched a bloody wave of suicide bombings that killed over 1,000 Israelis and maimed thousands more, on buses, in wedding halls, and in pizza parlors.
5th Rejection
In 2008, Israel tried yet again. Prime Minister Ehud Omar went even further than Ehud Barak had, expanding the peace offer to include additional land to sweeten the deal. Like his predecessor, the new Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas, turned the deal down.
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Meryl, these are the facts. You're kicking against history. Land-for-peace has never worked. "From the river to the sea" has been the theme of the Arab intent to wipe the Jews off the map for a full century, just as predicted in that Book which Mohammed told all his followers to read.
The angel of the Lord also said to Sarah:
“You are now pregnant
and you will give birth to a son.
You shall name him Ishmael,
for the Lord has heard of your misery.
He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward
all his brothers.”
From the start of the Mandate in 1920, Zionists bombed and shot both British and Palestinians almost daily. There were three Zionist terrorist gangs. They recruited 12 and 13 year olds to bomb trains, fire and police stations, even bombing schools and orphanages as well as hotels and movie theatres. They even bombed the homes of fellow Jews who would not fund their terrorism. And of course they assassinated public officials. The 1936 Arab uprising was in response to the flooding of the country with Zionists who publicly said they were going to take Palestine and force Palestinians out. Palestinians had fought with the Allies against the Ottoman Empire in exchange for the promise of their own state after the war. Balfour was well aware of this promise when he assured Rothschild that Palestine could be a refuge for Jews. But of course, neither ever dreamed that Zionist thugs like Ben Gurion and Jabotinsky would aim for a Jewish ethnostate with Palestinians enslaved, evicted or imprisoned. When this became clear, and when it became obvious that the British were not going to stand in their way, Arabs rebelled. Wouldn't you? But long before that Zionists had been shooting Palestinians and refusing to work with them or allow them to be hired.
When the new UN "intervened," Zionists owned only 7% of land in Palestine and Palestinians owned 85%. But the UN "solution" was to give 56% of the land to the Zionists and 44% to the Palestinians, who had three times the population. And the part assigned to Zionists was the part where Palestinians owned the most land. Palestinians rejected this "deal." Wouldn't you? Why would anyone agree to give burglars over half their house? Israel accepted, saying PUBLICLY that they would take the rest of Palestine later. And that's exactly what they have done.
I think you are making up your own history but none of this aligns with anything else.
How so?
You're conveniently ignoring the fact that the Jews had a 3500 year homeland there, and that the Muslims didn't even appear until approx year 600 AD. You think the Jews would "enslave, evict, or imprison Palestinians" yet the Jews tried to give them a state over and over again, and freely gave them all of Gaza, which was a huge mistake.
Extremely ignorant, uninformed comment. Palestinian DNA is Canaanite; that is, Palestinians are the direct descendants of people who have always lived in Palestine. Religion is not ethnicity. Of course Islam developed later than Judaism. But Palestinians did not spring into being at that moment. Islam is not an ethnicity, nor is being an "Arab." The term Arab simply means you speak Arabic. Arabs are of multiple ethnicities. When the second temple was demolished in 70 A.D., the Romans barred Jews from Jerusalem, but not all of Judea. Many of those living in Jerusalem left Judea at that point, but the truth is, they had been leaving for hundreds of years for a number of reasons. There were better opportunities elsewhere. By that time, there were more Jews outside of Judea than in it. Jews populated the entire Roman Empire. But in 70 A.D. there was no mass exodus. The Jewish country people stayed put. And over time, they changed their religion depending on who was in power. After awhile they became Christians--that's why 10% of Palestinians are Christian today, and why some of the oldest Christian churches in the world are in Palestine. Then later when the Middle East was conquered by Islam, people changed again--not at first, because Muslims did not force people to convert. They were quite tolerant of both Christianity and Judaism. But they did do something guaranteed to make people convert--they taxed people more heavily if they weren't Muslim. So it was simply easier to make a living if you were Muslim. But Muslims had quite a bit of respect for the other Abrahamic religions. In fact, Muslims opened up Jerusalem to Jews for the first time in 600 years. Palestine then became a pluralistic society lasting right up through the Ottoman Empire. There are people alive today who remember when all the Abrahamic religions lived side by side in Jerusalem with no problem whatsoever.
Now let's address your claim that Jews had a 3500 year homeland there. First of all, there was no such thing as an Israelite until the Iron Age. After the Bronze Age collapse, a disparate group of people moved to the hill country of Palestine, probably a mix of pastoralists, farmers and former city dwellers. Over time, they developed their own identity. About 1000 BC they formed two small states within Palestine, Israel and Judah. Israel was by far the bigger and more successful, but Judah ended up writing the history, so Israel doesn't come off as well in their telling of the story. But neither state was independent for most of their history--they ended up being controlled and governed by a series of large empires: Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek and Roman. The only time all of Palestine was a Jewish state was for 18 years under the Hasmonean tyrant Alexander Jannaeus, who was famous for crucifying 800 Pharisees in one day. He was so bad the Jews breathed a sigh of relief when the Roman Empire took over. But for all of the rest of history, Palestine was inhabited by a number of tribes, not just the Israelites. So no, Jews do not "own" Palestine, and the last time they did was for 18 years just before the advent of the Roman Empire in the Levant.
Now, let's have a thought experiment. How many ancestors do you suppose each one of us has going back 2000, or 2500 years? Many thousands--our ancestors double about every 25 years. Do you think it rational of anyone to claim land some of their ancestors lived in 2000 years ago? Most of my ancestors are Norman French--should I go to northern France and throw someone off their land because of that? I also have Scandinavian, English, Welsh and Irish ancestors. Can I claim land in any of those places? I have a Jewish ancestor from medieval Spain, and that person has thousands of ancestors who hailed from Palestine. That means I have thousands of ancestors from Palestine. Does that mean I have a "right of return" today to claim West Bank land from a Palestinian family who has olive trees planted 1000 years ago?
The truth is, Duane, that no one has the right to show up in a place their distant ancestors lived in 2000 years ago and throw the indigenous people out or kill them. We decided in the 20th century we were going to make laws making that illegal. It's called International Law. And there's a reason for that--if everyone did it, it would be chaos, because anyone could claim land anywhere.
Finally, did Zionists "offer the Palestinians their own state"? No, they did not. At no time during the last 100 years has anything like a "state" been offered to the Palestinians. They've been offered at most a concentration camp with no freedom of movement and no civil rights, and no right of return to the lands they owned and were violently evicted from. They don't even have the right to water or electricity or communication. They aren't even allowed to fish off their own coast. They are not allowed to have an airport, a navy or an air force. Israel even controls the number of calories allowed into Gaza per person. Israel controls whether someone can have a job, if they can leave, and if they can have medical care. They are not allowed to COLLECT RAINWATER. Israel knows the name of every single person in Gaza and the West Bank--they are the world's most surveilled people, even newborn babies. They know where every person is, all the time.
With all that, Palestinians are one of the most highly educated groups of people in the world. They have a higher literacy rate than Israelis. They have more doctors, lawyers, professors and engineers per square foot than anyplace else. Prior to the creation of the state of Israel, Palestine was a modern country with beautiful cities and a vibrant economy. All of that was taken away from them by a rapacious group of racist thugs. Since then Israel has formed a state based on constant terror and incessant attacks. Palestinians can be kidnapped from their beds and held in prison indefinitely with no charges and no trial. Every human rights organization on earth has Israel on its watchlist for this. Prisoners are beated, starved, tortured and raped. Again, well attested. Before 10/7, Israel had 1500 of these hostages. Now they have 10,000. Yet it is the Palestinians who are the "terrorists."
I like how "extremely ignorant, uninformed people" [like you Linda] who love to comment in support of a fake man-made knock-off religion, based on a child-molesting, sex pervert who would bang all 6 of his wives and then go to the Mosque stinking and dripping-in sperm! Did you also support Islam’s WTC’s events, or their recent rocket, rape, and kidnapping protest in Israel?
Thanks for telling us who you really are, Steve. You are sick. And wow, talk about ignorant. I've got news for you. ALL religions are man-made; all religions are humans trying to make some connection with or come to some understanding of the divine, and falling short. Your OT heroes also had multiple wives. And I'd suggest you read the Talmud if you think The Quran is so shocking in regard to the treatment of women and children.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2024/06/dr-congo-islamic-state-claims-responsibility-for-murdering-over-80-christians-closing-several-churches
Here you go, Steve. Suggest you do a search for "Does the Quran call for killing infidels"? This article also might help. You've never read the Quran in your life. https://www.learnreligions.com/are-there-quranic-verses-endorsing-violence-against-infidels-2004642
See my "comment" above ...
There has never been any country known as Palestine. Did you not read the comment by Taylor that the Palestinian people WERE OFFERED A STATE 5 times, and turned it down each time???? If Israel had such total control of Gazans, then how could they build hundreds of miles of terrorist tunnels, accumulate massive weapons stash, and perform the horrific attack of 10-7? Any prisoner in a Israeli jail is treated a million times better than a prisoner of Hamas, many of the hostages were brutally murdered, and starved and beaten. You're so slanted with bias that's pro Muslim it's pathetic. There's not a single day on earth, that Muslims somewhere aren't torturing, raping and murdering innocent people. Their Qur'an demands it.
There was never a country known as Israel either until 1948. As I said before, the little state of Israel (much smaller than Canaan or Palestine) in the OT was governed and controlled almost exclusively by large empires, exactly as the state of Palestine was controlled and governed by the Ottoman Empire. Palestine was a Christian country in the Middle Ages longer than it was ever controlled by Israelites. The tunnels were mostly built by Israel long before Gaza was "turned over" to the Palestinians early this century. We know that because they used to conduct interviews with the press in their tunnel "command centers." Your claims about better treatment for Palestinian hostages are laughable. As I said, EVERY SINGLE human rights organization on earth has cited Israel for their miserable treatment of their hostages, going on for decades. They are fed dry rice, which is toxic. They are raped, beaten until their bones break, tortured--all attested by multiple agencies. All you have to do is look at a person who has been imprisoned for months, and you often see a skeleton who has aged ten years. In contrast, the Israeli hostages have been release in good health despite the fact that the population has very little to eat. No Israeli hostages were "murdered" except by the IDF bombs or assault rifles. Name a single Israeli hostage that was treated as you claim--you can't name even one. In contrast, the IDF shot and bombed their own people on 10/7, bombed and shot more of their own people in Gaza, and just recently killed another three of their own people while "rescuing" four others. It's ludicrous. Especially since Hamas has multiple times offered to release ALL the hostages (at least once a month) in exchange for Palestinian hostages. Israel has refused. Your claim that Muslims are torturing and raping innocent people because the Quran demands it is risible. Any person with a normal IQ can spend two minutes online and compare the number of people killed by Zionists/Israel versus the number killed by Palestinians over the last 100 years and see Israel has killed 10 times more people. Anyone who is not a cretin can compare the number of innocent Muslims killed by the US versus the number of Christians or Jews killed by Muslims and see that the US has killed 100 times more. You are so moronically ignorant and racist you can hardly see straight. It is not "bias" to look at data. I'd suggest you try it.
Try reading "Prophet of Doom" by Craig Winn. He states the actual words of Muhammed from the Qur'an. It's a non stop diatribe of kill the Jews, the Christians, the non believers. Rape, torture, kill, is all condoned as righteous for Muslims.
https://www.jpost.com/Blogs/Why-World-Opinion-Matters/Are-Arabs-the-indigenous-people-of-Palestine-402785
Muslims have killed over 210,000 people 1979-2021 see article posted below
https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/islamist-terrorist-attacks-in-the-world-1979-2021/
You're completely brainwashed by the propaganda that Israel treats the Palestinian prisoners badly, everyone knows that from the UN to European countries, they all blame Israel, they all repeat the lies of Hamas, it's always been a drumbeat of "Israel Bad" Why does the UN vote against Israel more than any other country?
https://gellerreport.com/2024/06/rescued-israeli-hostages-were-starved-beaten-almost-every-day-in-hamas-captivity-beyond-comprehension.html/
https://gellerreport.com/2024/06/four-more-hostages-murdered-in-hamas-captivity-in-the-khan-yunis-area.html/?lctg=71126631
Welcome to planet Earth !!
Your above views seem to be based on info originating in a different galaxy.
Giving you the benefit of a New Kid in Town, we patiently shall wait until you have fully recovered from this severe perception bias.
Don't you worry, you're not alone to suffer from this kind of disease.
My best wishes to you and fellow-patients !!
May you all soon be able to grasp reality in a more unbiased way.
With Muslims far outnumbering Jews, 1.6 Billion Muslims, and only 14.7 million Jews, the Islamic propaganda vastly overwhelms. Muhammed said, "war is deceit" The Qu'ran advocates Muslims to lie to defeat the enemy, (any infidel). Too bad that you're completely taken in by the brainwashing.
My information comes from Israeli historians and archaeologists, all professors at Israeli universities. Many of their books were NYT bestsellers. Try again.
https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/islamist-terrorist-attacks-in-the-world-1979-2021/
Who fires thousands of rockets into Israel targeting civilians? Who sends suicide bombers into Israel to kill innocent people? Who sends gunmen into Israel to murder innocent civilians? Yes, the Palestinians, who are the terrorists.
https://www.jpost.com/Blogs/Why-World-Opinion-Matters/Are-Arabs-the-indigenous-people-of-Palestine-402785
👍👍👍💪💪💪🌹🌹🌹❤❤❤ Thank you so much for all your effort, deep knowledge and time to put "things" into their "right" place !!!
But will the ordinary Goy, who is deeply entrenched in the daily Zionist Matrix ever be able to understand ???
Futile to ask if rabid Zionists (whether Jewish or Christian) will ever accept these eternal truths ..
Thanks for taking the time to share this, this is the sort of super nerdy response that makes the comment section worth reading. I have learnt some stuff today, appreciate it.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2024/06/dr-congo-islamic-state-claims-responsibility-for-murdering-over-80-christians-closing-several-churches
I wonder if Law & Review Magazine: ever chimed in on the poor citizens of Jerico? As per what God-backed Jews did to the poor people of Jericho, as in the Bible's Joshua 6:21? "They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys! (Except for "the prostitute Rahab, her father and mother, her brothers and sisters and all who belonged to her.") I wonder how the U.N. would treat that? Do you?
You probably believe _Protocols of the Elders of Zion_, too.
Give me a break--I have a PhD, and there are multiple historical sources authenticating everything I've said, including the archives of the terrorist organizations themselves. It's not like they weren't proud of their actions. Most of what I've said here can be found in the UN pages on the Palestine issue. If you've never heard of any of this, it's on you, not on history. A good book that is now in the internet archive is State of Terror, by Thomas Suarez. His sources are the Palestine press, the British War College historical records, and the archives of the Zionist terror gangs. Those terrorists are the parents and grandparents of current Israeli politicians. But there are many other books. It's not as if the Mandate period is a secret, nor is the promise the Palestinians received from the Allies in WW1. https://archive.org/details/stateofterrorhowterrorismcreatedmodernisraelthomassuarez/mode/2up?view=theater
P.S. Zionism is not Judaism, which is an obvious logical fact. That explains why there are hundreds of thousands of anti-Zionist Jews in the world. Zionism is a racist nationalist ideology which arose from the same ferment in Germany as Nazism. Both are based on the idea of racial purity. Not a single observant Jew in the 19th c. accepted Zionism as a legitimate idea consistent with the Jewish faith. The early Zionists were all atheists.
I have a PHD, well with the way you are brainwashed that is no surprise. The only thing a PHD does is make it easier to brainwash you,
https://www.jpost.com/Blogs/Why-World-Opinion-Matters/Are-Arabs-the-indigenous-people-of-Palestine-402785
What is the source of this text? I searched for a sentence or two with Google and found various copies, the earliest of which is from this 2017-03-27 video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76NytvQAIs0.
There's a lot of propaganda / rhetoric / ignorantly or maliciously compiled material along these lines:
Ms bad, stupid, corrupt, dangerous, genocidal etc. Js oppose Ms who want to kill Js. Therefore Js good and anything to the contrary is false, unbalanced antisemitic etc.
Js bad, stupid, corrupt, dangerous, genocidal etc. Ms oppose Js who want to kill Ms. Therefore Ms good and anything to the contrary is false, unbalanced Islamophobic etc.
A quick look at Linda Hagge's comments below makes me thinks she knows a lot more about the history and current situation than does anyone who finds the above text a suitable summary. What she wrote about the history of Jewish people is consistent with what I recall from reading, about ten years ago, these books, thought not in the following ideal order:
Israel Finkelstein's 2013 freely available as a PDF, book: "The Forgotten Kingdom. The Archeology and History of Northern Israel": https://israelfinkelstein.wordpress.com. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Finkelstein. This is essential to understanding the origins of the Jewish people and so of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
Richard Friedman 1987 "Who Wrote the Bible?" (Really the Torah - AKA the Pentateuch. The Christian names for these books are: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.) https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Who-Wrote-the-Bible/Richard-Friedman/9781501192401.
His annotated 2005 English translation of these, except I didn't get to the end of Deuteronomy: "The Bible with Sources Revealed" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/151882.The_Bible_with_Sources_Revealed. It was clear that these five books have been put together and/or written by Jewish priests ca. 600 BCE in an effort to combine elements of two earlier divergent texts which were popular in the northern kingdom of Israel (which collapsed) and in southern Judah, where the refugees from the north retreated to. All this text is myth, to say the least, thought I think there are parts of Deuteronomy with potentially useful, proto-democratic, constructs, in which the priests construct a supposedly divinely-ordained framework of governance in which the power of kings is limited, and the priests have a lot of say (as well as getting a guaranteed protein supply from the animal offerings, which were only to take place in Jerusalem). This is all fiction posing as reality. This doesn't mean it has no potential value, but my life would be complete without any of this stuff.
Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman's 2001: "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/169479.The_Bible_Unearthed.
I am currently reading John J. Collins (Ed.) "The Encyclopedia of Apocalypticism, Vol. 1": https://www.amazon.com/dp/082641253X. As best I can tell, this is an account of the origins of apocalypticism (the belief in an end of the current world, with a static, perfect, world thereafter) in various approximately Persian texts, it incorporation into Zorastrianism, its enhancement by a sect of Jews in the centuries leading up to 0 CE, and how this heretical (to most Jews then, as now) sect's theology was adapted by Jesus, Paul et al. as the basis for Christianity.
People who take seriously the (broadly) Jewish, more narrowly Jewish supremacist, angle on Arabs, Muslims and the right of Jews, or at least Israelis, to create a safe homeland in the Middle East, in part by killing or expelling Arabs/Muslims further and further as the Israeli state grows (towards engulfing the entire area, from the Nile to Iraq and parts of Saudi Arabia) into "Greater Israel" https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XIAuxaRwpWQ might want to read some quotes from at least some of the Zionists, going back to the 19th century: https://michaelhoffman.substack.com/p/nazis-and-zionists This was compiled by a former member of the IDF. Jews, Judaism and Israel are not all sweetness and light. I am not defending Islam or Hamas.
Indeed. There is no lack of books by Israeli historians and archaeologists corroborating everything I've said here.
https://gellerreport.com/2023/12/the-evil-that-is-norman-finkelstein.html/?lctg=71126631
https://www.camera.org/article/norman-finkelstein-s-fraudulent-scholarship/
What a lot of nonsense. Revisionist history.
Yes, those dozens of Israeli history professors don't know what they are talking about.
My comment was meant as a reply to Noel Taylor.
God Jesus's Bible tells us about you Jew & Isreal haters!
Although I knew all this, your summary is so succinct and clear I'm copying this for my records. Well done. The goal of Arab Muslims has always been the same. A one state solution, that is, only a Arab Muslim Palestinian state with no Jews or Christians allowed, and no Israel allowed to exist.
Ridiculous. Perhaps you'd like to share your source for this. There is no such statement from any group of Muslims, including Hamas. The Hamas charter specifically says their beef is not with Jews, but with Zionists. Palestine before Zionism shared the land with Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews. Has there ever been a movement to ethnically cleanse Jews from Palestine? No. Your claim has no basis whatsoever.
Thanks for your clarifications about the circumstances and timing of the various rejections.
These are mainly due to the simple fact that Arabs DO NEVER GIVE UP THEIR STOLEN LANDS !!! Before that happens, they'd rather prefer to be martyred by the thousands. Just watch current events in Gaza.
What really would be interesting to read from you, is how it comes, that before disintegration of the Ottoman Empire, genuine Jews (NOT the vicious, non-religious Zionists which entirely are a British brain-child), Muslims and Christians lived in TOTAL harmony for HUNDREDS of years ?? ... 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Not only in the current occupied Lands of Palestine, but throughout North Africa and the middle East !!! ...
Could you please be so kind as to elaborate on this paradox of local history ??
Perhaps if you read _Uprooted_ by Lyn Julius you'll discover that "total harmony" is your illusion. Mohammed stated that peace can be had only when the Muslim has his foot on the neck of the infidel. That's the 3000 year history, and a clear explanation of why the Jewish population in the Arab world has been reduced by 95% since the 1940s.
{...Mohammed stated that peace can be had only when the Muslim has his foot on the neck of the infidel...}
Please be so kind as to elaborate in detail: Number of Sora and lines, preferably in Arabic and NOT translated ...
{...Jewish population in the Arab world has been reduced...} Not only in the Arabic/Muslim influenced regions.
Have you ever wondered what could be the underlying reasons that lead to the forced expulsion of Jews from most of the countries they have been living in ??...🤔🤔🤔
This is NOT an Arabic feature, it is world-wide; and most probably will increase again after realizing what kind of thoughts and end-goals drive the Zionist Entity.
Unfortunately, most folks have no idea how to clearly differentiate between a person that follows Judaism in a genuine and sincere way and the political power-institution that is Zionism.
What "stolen lands"? Jews had a 3500 year homeland in Israel, Muslims didn't appear until 600AD. The Muslims were the conqueror's of all of the middle east, and stole all of the land they now have.
Shall we go back to Abraham, the common ancestor to Jews (NOT Zionists) and Arabs ?? Jews were a tiny part of local folks and Canaanites were always a majority.
https://www.jpost.com/Blogs/Why-World-Opinion-Matters/Are-Arabs-the-indigenous-people-of-Palestine-402785
Although the Jewish population of Israel ebbed and flowed over the many years, there was always a population there. Islam didn't even exist during most of that time, and the Muslim conquest didn't occur until 636 AD. When the UN decided to give Jews and Palestinians two states in 1948 I'm certain they considered the thousands of years of history. The establishment of Israel was actually one of the most legitimate formation of a nation is all of history. Arabs or Muslims couldn't accept this, even when they occupy 99% of the land mass of the middle east to Israel's .16%. Supposedly Muhammed flew to Jerusalem on a magic horse thus giving Muslims complete ownership of Israel.
Thanks for all the links to the various sites.
You really tried your best to provide some "evidence" that The Zionist Entity is acting in defense and has the sole rights on the currently occupied Lands of Palestine.
But reality is more complex and only time will show if that synthetic, entirely propped-up artificial, apartheid-regime can survive without foreign (Jewish billionaire's and US taxpayers) aid.
Israel is outnumbered by a million to one. The only democracy in the middle east. But their bravery and determination to survive is a million to one over their enemies.
https://www.jpost.com/Blogs/Why-World-Opinion-Matters/Are-Arabs-the-indigenous-people-of-Palestine-402785
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2024/01/the-claim-that-israel-is-engaged-in-colonization-in-gaza-is-preposterous
https://thefederalist.com/2023/11/08/if-palestinians-wanted-peace-and-prosperity-theyd-already-have-it/
https://townhall.com/columnists/pauldriessen/2024/01/05/hamas-terrorism-iint-self-defense-against-occupiers-n2633212?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=b9fcff148b98618d1add06a159bf45b0bf604d66644b557252122622aa6b3bc6&recip=25713777
https://www.israelunwired.com/this-video-won-the-case-for-israel-in-just-5-minutes/
Land seems less their issue than the presence of Israel. With every opportunity to take the millions of welfare money and move on they choose to obsess over the presence of Jews.
The internet is full of photographs from 19th and early 20th c. Palestine of Jews and Muslims living side by side in Jerusalem. Indeed, Torah Jews (who are anti-Zionist) recall a time when Muslims and Jews babysat each other's children and were neighbors without any conflict. And as I said, it was Muslims who opened up Jerusalem to Jews when Christians had barred them from it for 600 years. Linguistic studies have been done of the three Abrahamic religious texts--the Quran is the least violent of the three, even less violent than the New Testament. The Hebrew Scriptures call for the violent extermination of anyone who is not an Israelite. Just read Judges and Kings. And then when you are done with that, look up simple statistics: who has killed more people in the Levant, Jews or Muslims? It's not even close. Over the last 100 years, Zionists have killed more than ten times as many people. The entire economy of Israel is based on the extermination of the Palestinians; it would fall apart without arms sales and the export of surveillance and police materiel. Israel exports violence to every other nation on earth. And it is about land. Look up "Eretz Israel." From the beginning of their project in the Levant, Zionists have claimed not only Palestine, but most of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and part of Egypt. Israel routinely attacks Lebanon and Syria. They have seized and occupied Syrian land, and just as with Gaza, they have routinely attacked southern Lebanon and deliberately targeted civilians and infrastructure.
Muslims are pretty keen to kill other Muslims - in some cultures at least, including their daughters who behave in ways thought to dishonour the family. The Sunnis and Shiites have been fighting and killing each other since a generation after their prophet founded the religion.
The Wikipedia page on the Iran Iraq war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War cites Encyclopedia Britannica's 500,000 death toll. As far as I know, Hamas and the like want to kill Jews, not just Israeli Jews and, more generally, anyone who is not Muslim. They also want to introduce Islam in other countries. In Pakistan, ordinary local Muslims dragged a presumably Muslim man (Mohammad Ismail) who was *accused* of blasphemy out of a police station, killed him and burned his body. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-22/pakistan-police-hunting-lynch-mob-madyan-khyber-pakhtunkhwa/104010526 https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2024/03/08/the-sweet-smell-of-head-chopping-and-the-stench-of-silence-from-libertarians/.
I am not defending other religions or races. While the Israelis have surely killed more Palestinians than Palestinians have killed Israelis, in the last century or so, doesn't the Shiite vs. Sunni Iran Iraq war's death toll tower over that of the Palestinian conflict?
{...Muslims are pretty keen to kill other Muslims...}
Have you ever read about the conflict in Ulster-North Ireland that went on and on for decades ? Just one simple and recent example ...
Going back in history of religions in Europe (Anglican, Roman, Protestant, Orthodox, etc.) their records of killing-sprees are also quite impressive.
ANY monotheistic religion is condescending by default and considers non-members as sub-human.
Humanity's biggest sin, to have come-up with a similar idea. How utterly stupid and lethal !!
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2024/02/the-idf-makes-greater-efforts-to-minimize-civilian-casualties-than-any-army-has-ever-done
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/04/09/coleman-hughes-shreds-the-gaza-genocide-myth-on-joe-rogans-podcast-n2637528?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=b9fcff148b98618d1add06a159bf45b0bf604d66644b557252122622aa6b3bc6&recip=25713777
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2024/05/israels-so-called-genocide-in-gaza
You're really smoking some good stuff to think that the Qu'ran isn't violent. Over and over again, it advocates the extermination of Jews and Christians. The economy of Israel is based on agriculture, science, manufacturing. Has nothing to do with "exterminating Palestinians" Each and every military action performed by Israel is strictly defensive. Consider the thousands of rockets fired into Israel by Hamas and Hezbollah. They target civilian areas. Israel targets military installations.
The whole world well remembers how high-ranking Zionist politicians called the Palestinians names, not only once but repeatedly and to "treat" them accordingly.
For the IOF (Israel Occupation Forces) apparently also hospitals, schools, universities, libraries, sites and vehicles of intl. humanitarian aid organizations, civil registry- and real estate register-offices, water-treatment plants, civil infrastructure of any kind, Christian churches, etc. etc. are all considered military installations and deemed legal targets ...
OK, at least they do not hide their evil goals any more.
Just let's educate the folks that Zionists and genuine, self-respecting Jews are definitively NOT the same.
Whoever lives in the Zionist Matrix's thought-bubble will eventually suffer from severe fits of cognitive dissonance.
Good luck with that !!
Btw: I just wonder, why it's almost ONLY Zionist women who engage in this kind of discussion ... Maybe, its is dawning to them that they never will be able to outcompete Palestinian wombs ??? ...🤔🤔🤔🤔
Or is it dawning to them that the whole idea of Zionism is a British construct to exert power/control in a strategic region and they are all just useful pawns for other people's gains ?? ...
https://gellerreport.com/2023/12/there-are-no-innocent-civilians-in-gaza.html/?lctg=71126631
https://www.wnd.com/2023/11/israels-land-separating-fact-propaganda/
https://townhall.com/columnists/adamturner/2023/12/08/6-extremely-stubborn-facts-about-the-israeli-palestinian-crisis-n2632143?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=b9fcff148b98618d1add06a159bf45b0bf604d66644b557252122622aa6b3bc6&recip=25713777
https://www.frontpagemag.com/stop-lecturing-us-on-palestinian-civilians/?utm_source=FrontPage+Magazine&utm_campaign=462f694bb8-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2023_12_13_05_09&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_57e32c1dad-462f694bb8-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D&mc_cid=462f694bb8&mc_eid=21a1396eec
https://hotair.com//jazz-shaw/2024/01/17/those-palestinian-civilians-werent-so-innocent-n605633?utm_source=hadaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=b9fcff148b98618d1add06a159bf45b0bf604d66644b557252122622aa6b3bc6
https://www.jpost.com/blogs/why-israel-belongs-to-the-jews/there-is-no-israeli-occupation-499890
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2024/05/israels-so-called-genocide-in-gaza
Man-hole-covers from 1936 in the streets of Palestine were cast with "Palestine" and/or "فلسطين" ...
Mostly all removed soon after ...
{...With every opportunity to take the millions of welfare money...}
Never read about the BILLIONS of welfare from Germany and latest ones in aid and weapons from the US for the Zionist Entity ??
The only ones obsessed in this tragedy are the Zionists who are doing their best to get rid of all Goys on a world-wide scale.
Good luck with that !!
You have to consider the source. The New York times is basically a mouthpiece for the deep state. I’d be more inclined to believe the opposite of whatever they report!
Yep. The “rag” New York Times. All bullshit all the time.
Better termed FAKE news! Me too!
A two state solution should have taken place in 1948 which the Israelis accepted the Arabs did not. Perhaps if they hadn't attacked Israel in 1948, today there would be a two state solution. Perhaps if the other Arab countries had taken in the 650,000 then displacd persons in that territory, there would be no prolems all those years. Plenty of Jews have been killed or displaced for centuries. It's sad for evryone.-especially the innocent young children.
Creeps...with no human feeling...paralyzed by hate, fear, superiority...
US military outpost in the Middle East
... *another* military outpost. ;-)
“But honey, you already have hundreds of military outpost. Why do you need another one?“
You think that it's something new? The U.S has posts in 173 nations. Began in 1898.
Dr. Nass, I greatly appreciate your support for the Palestinians. Thank you.
Consider that you are taking the NYT as a source when it is convenient but know it is not reliable. Also, you are out of your area of expertise. Consider listening to Mosab Yousef- son of one of the founders of Hamas and see what a danger this all is to us and the entire western world.
I wonder just how many commenting here know that there is apparently a substantial amount of o-i-l off the shores of Gaza, according to a (public) U.N. Commerce report...
Never ever forget what jihad culture entails. All the time, every time. And raised from birth to not accept anyone who does not comply. The people on the border that were killed were extremely sympathetic to Gazans and were actively and practically helping them. And they also worked for a political qnd geograhical solution. BUT converting was not on their radar. Hence the massacre by those whom they had considered friends. Gazans were being provided decent employment by the border communities, and also what the communities thought was friendship, by the exact people who attacked them. This IS fact. This is jihad.
We get lots of talk about Islam, while all along Israelis are doing barbarous atrocities. The proverbial cat is not only out of the bag, the bag is in tatters and can’t be repaired.
https://gellerreport.com/2023/12/there-are-no-innocent-civilians-in-gaza.html/?lctg=71126631
https://www.westernjournal.com/christmas-massacre-160-people-killed-jihadists-strong-christian-community/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=newsletter-WJ&utm_campaign=dailyam&utm_content=western-journal
https://www.israelunwired.com/mind-blowing-idf-takes-extreme-actions-to-help-save-gazan-civilians/
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2023/12/hamas-senior-official-urges-muslims-we-need-violent-acts-against-america-everywhere
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2023/12/nigeria-islamic-jihadis-killed-over-750-civilians-abducted-45-from-schools-in-2023
https://www.dailywire.com/news/i-couldnt-breathe-watch-arabs-react-after-screening-footage-of-hamas-slaughtering-civilians
https://www.frontpagemag.com/hamas-and-the-jihadist-psychopath/?utm_source=FrontPage+Magazine&utm_campaign=5bb948b197-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2023_11_27_05_17&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_57e32c1dad-5bb948b197-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D&mc_cid=5bb948b197&mc_eid=21a1396eec
Please sign;https://act.demandprogress.org/sign/ceasefire-netanyahu-speech-0624-s/?t=1&akid=32372%2E119493%2EZd6onY
NOPE!!
Dr. Nass…you are on the wrong side of history.
On this topic, YES!!!
Your conflating descendants of Abraham with Europeans is one major error. And even if the European Atheist terrorists who founded modern Israel had actually been Semitic, that would not give them the right to steal land owned by other Semites. I have English and Scottish ancestry, that does not empower me to go kick a Scottish family off their land and claim it as mine.
Deceit is their modus operandi.
Thank you , Warrior Sister, for more Truth.
Most of us appreciate your stand for the Palestinians. Most of the world does. And what Israel is trying to do is so obvious and has been for a long time. Reality will eventually come crashing down on the heads of those too blind to see it yet.
That sounds like a great idea!!! Any group of people who terrorize civilians and grow up to live, breathe, and hate their neighbors; these people were referred to as gentiles.
Don't entertain a knee-jerk reaction simply because the source is the NYT: Israel wants control over the West Bank because they want the land and access to the Jordan River Valley. Look at maps. What's the water source in this region? Where there's water, there's life. Hmmm? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54116567
Israel is a parasite. Why does Israel allow settlers and expanding communities in the West Bank although doing so violates international law? Want a portrait of a West Bank settler? Here you go. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-30/australian-settlers-in-israel-west-bank/102642486
From the article: "He says most of the people who live there are religious, right-wing Jews, who believe they have a right to settle in the West Bank.
'There's a negative connotation to the word settlers, it's upsetting,' Mr Lourie said.
'The majority of people who are so-called settlers are law-abiding citizens who are very right-wing, who believe that the land belongs to them, who believe that we should be here.'"
https://theconversation.com/israels-west-bank-settlements-4-questions-answered-127560
https://www.israelunwired.com/you-will-never-look-at-israeli-settlements-the-same-after-this-documentary/
https://www.wnd.com/2023/11/israels-land-separating-fact-propaganda/
https://israelpolicyforum.org/west-bank-settlements-explained/
Very interesting articles, Duane!! I've concluded that Israel, best understood by the fact that the Rothschilds provided the initial funding for the state of Israel, continues to have conflicts with the inhabitants which preceded them, most often called Palestinians, because Israel represents the interests of the Rothshilds Cabal. Those interests include extracting the natural resources and assets from the region as well as establishing 21st century technology and populations who reflect those values on the land. The Palestinians are not a developed people in Israel's view. We need look no further than Trump's proposal for the area which was largely an invitation for Palestinians to accept entry into 21st century commerce by exploiting their resources and land...including the water in the Jordan Valley.
However, being continually bombed and murdered for decades in an open-air prison evidently dissuaded them from any negotiation, but essentially, I would characterize Palestinians as more tribal people who live close to the land...who derive identity and value from their relationship to the land. Rather than being allowed to continue their culture and heritage and develop at their own pace, they're being rushed and segregated into a technocratic hodgepodge of enterprises to exploit the land, resources, and people.
I think the current conflict in Gaza is more a result of Israel wanting to exploit the natural gas deposits off the Gazan coast plus acquiring the strip of land known as Gaza. With that land, they acquire far greater access to shipping lines and capacity.
Rumors have swirled for years that Qatar and other similar regions hold vast reservoirs of natural gas which they would like to transport cheaply and viably to Europe. One such proposed pipeline ends in Israel who would be a natural selection because of their focus on technology and military power to provide stability in the region. Israel simply represents the pathway forward for the Globalists like the Rothschilds who see a technocratic oligarchy as the best governing tool worldwide.
Here's a quote from The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories: "The Jordan Valley is a fertile strip of land that runs along the West Bank, east of the central highlands. Sparsely populated, it has many open, undeveloped areas. As such, this area is the largest land reserve for future development of the West Bank. It could serve to create urban centers; develop advanced agriculture for export; develop energy project and industry.
Instead, however, Israel exploits almost all of the Jordan Valley and the northern Dead Sea for its own needs and bars Palestinians from entering or using about 85% of the area: be it for construction, laying infrastructure, shepherding or farming." https://www.btselem.org/jordan_valley
I don't think much of anything can be understood in terms of past history or religious viewpoints. I think the entire circus can be understood if we realize fully how the world is being artificially shaped today and pushed into a dizzying speed of growth via astronomical growth in computers/computer power, genetic studies, and military weaponization of the planet.
If Israel was dead set on "exploiting" the natural resources of Gaza, then they wouldn't have left in 1994. They handed over complete control to the Palestinian Authority. What you're completely missing is that Gazans are brainwashed with Islamic radicalization from birth, their only goals in life are to murder each Jew, as well as Christians, eliminate every single "infidel" from all of Israel. This is why there are no other Islamic countries willing to take in Gazan refugee's, they all know that they're nothing but big trouble. This is part of why Gaza only exists from a monthly donation from many sources of $12 million, they're not self sustaining in the least when all their efforts go to building terror tunnels, rockets to fire into Israel, schemes to infiltrate and murder Jews. Gaza is simply one huge terrorist camp.
We can agree to disagree. From my perspective, your POV fails to see the picture from a larger perspective. You're involved in the narrative of evil vs good and black vs white. That narrative is deliberately orchestrated by people who manipulate policy via organizations like IMF, World Bank, Atlantic Council, Trilateral Commission, BIS, etc. and who consequently manipulate governments. For goodness sakes, they control the media worldwide!!
Here's a great video. "Secrets of the United Nations by Cǎlin Georgescu and Dr. Reiner Fuellmich. Mr. Georgescu is a former UN Executive Director and former President of the Club of Rome Europe. He testifies that the whole modus operandi for the UN, global NGOs, and the various organizations I list above is to impoverish people; strip their countries of their natural resources and assets; and create conditions worldwide which benefit only themselves. https://www.bitchute.com/video/osFASxP9DzF0/
Again, none of this war in Gaza is truly about ideology. The real causes for movement of any kind geopolitically are only the attainment and realization of control over natural resources throughout the world. Certainly the UN Agenda 2025 ergo 2030 ergo 2035 ergo 2040, supported by the WEF, which proposes to catalogue and place digital and bioengineered ID tags on everything...trees, plants, crops, people, equipment...even water!!...etc...reveals their goal to contain the ownership of the earth to themselves. Look up the UN's plans to segregate people into 15-minute while legislating all other land as off-limits and privately controlled by the elité world government.
There is no such conspiracy of Hamas attacking Israel just so that Israel can take out Gaza for the natural resources. It's the radical Islamic mindset of pure hatred, bred into them from birth, that they must murder every Jew and spread Islam over 100% of that region, and the goal of taking over the entire world. It's a religious war 100%. Did you not notice how at one time Islam took over the entire middle east, and were in Spain? The Qu'ran does endorse Muslims to steal as much "booty" as possible, but not once does it say a word about "natural resources"
If you want, you can read my substack "The War to End All Wars: Israel's False Flag - Part III." https://sunlotus17.substack.com/p/the-war-to-end-all-wars-israels-false-612
Here, I urge readers to watch a video which completely debunks any notion that the Oct. 7 wasn't preconfigured with abundant assistance from Israeli factions. Now, heed my words carefully. Many factions can exist within any country...no doubt exists that the Oct. 7 was a joint venture between Hamas and Israeli factions. John Hankey's “Oct. 7 Was an Inside Job”: https://rumble.com/v4m56ii-october-7-was-an-inside-job-by-john-hankey.html
Pehaps you might like to read my first part: "The War to End All Wars: Israel’s False Flag ~ Part I." https://sunlotus17.substack.com/p/the-war-to-end-all-wars-israels-false
Here I say: "Cogent people remain baffled. How did Hamas manage to disconnect, dislocate, and abridge every security feature in Israel’s vaunted $1.1 billion iron wall and fence which guards the Gaza border for Israel?" I even include a pictorial diagram of the Israeli's great Iron Wall. Pretty impressive!!
From Michael Ruark: "The $1,000,000,000 “Iron Wall” failed? Yeah right…" https://michaelruark.wordpress.com/2023/10/20/the-1000000000-iron-wall-failed-yeah-right/
"The barrier, which took 3½ years to build, is above and below ground and extends into the Mediterranean sea. It is fitted with sensors to detect tunnel construction and includes remotely controlled weapons systems and an array of radar systems with cameras that cover the entire territory of the Gaza Strip....
The army decided to build the 65km fence at a cost of almost €1 billion after Hamas made extensive use of attack tunnels during the 2014 Gaza war, with a number of militants successfully infiltrating into Israel via tunnels built under the border."
Uhhh. Ya think those motion sensors could have detected fighters sawing through a cement wall?
As I said, we'll simply have to agree to disagree.