Federal Agencies Can Start Censoring Again: A 3 judge panel in New Orleans issued a 'stay' today on Judge Doughty's order pending an appeals panel rule on the merits
Federal Agencies Can Start Censoring Again: A 3 judge panel in New Orleans issued a 'stay' today on Judge Doughty's order pending an appeals panel rule on the merits
You can bet the 'different appeals panel' has been threatened, bribed, coerced or something similar to hold them accountable to the Biden Admin. This is a dark chapter (I hope it's only a chapter) of US politics. Judge Terry Doughty has made a thorough and prudent judgment with the evidence before him. Scary to think our Constitution and our civil rights are in the hands of these all but proven criminals.
Does anyone believe Deep State is just going to roll over? There are layers of corruption which are extremely difficult to drive through. All these battles are worthy but we should stop fantasizing that we can change the system though its internal mechanisms. Only an unstoppable critical mass of awakened and pissed off people can put a stop to this. As long as our energy is channeled into support for “democrats” and “republicans” there will be no change.
What the feds are doing is clearly defined as a violation of the First Amendment by Judge Doughty in the original ruling. The DOJ is claiming that the federal government will suffer "irreparable harm" by not being allowed to violate the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution! There are no grounds on which to issue this stay. In fact, the defendants named in the original order should be prosecuted for Treason. The "irreparable harm" has already been (and continues to be) suffered by every American citizen victimized by the federal government's censoring, propaganda, and the illegitimate laws and mandates that the censoring and propaganda supported. When Joe Biden and his cohort of traitors is eventually brought to justice, every last bit of their accumulated wealth must be distributed among the victims of these crimes before their sentences are executed. It won't even cover a tiny fraction of the damages suffered, but it will at least leave nothing to be inherited or left to fund criminal organizations.
Same thing happened with a 3 judge panel for the Federal workers vaccine mandate stay being overturned in 5th circuit but the 5th circuit EnBanc 15 judge panel reversed it a few months later, so there is major hope!
Well, and the cocaine-gate at the White House is over, too..... so, what can go wrong......
I guess, the good news is that people saw/read/heard about Judge Doughty's decision and hopefully more can see the corruption and help us in this fight.....
Epoch partly got it wrong. It used the word "merits" when that's not what the Order said. Merits has a technical meaning: It's the proceeding that would/will take place after the Preliminary Injunction was granted, to determine whether the plaintiffs have proven their case. If they do, a Permanent Injunction will issue. A different panel of the Fifth Circuit will review the Preliminary Injunction at the next available oral argument. This is not a merits hearing.
We should remain resolutely realistic. Doughty’s ruling was clear, impassioned and compelling in declaring what the gross constitutional violation was, and why the government must stop engaging in such behavior immediately. The New York Times spun the story as though Judge Doughty has compromised the government’s ability to help the people learn the truth and do what was best for them. Now we go up a step to the panel that is more likely to represent collective judicial opinion rather than the lucky draw of Doughty for a judge. And the panel backs the need to let the government lie through its teeth to people in order to protect them because well, that is how those judges maintain their current position and perquisites and prepare an even brighter future for themselves. Their opinion is a measure of the Spirit of the Times and is genuine grounds for pessimism. They should have been roused to unanimously support Doughty but they instead looked at the bread and found the buttered side. We may yet be lucky at the Supremes (who lose cachet if they support Doughty and whose authority is under attack), but for now I take this as a good rough index of how the Spirit as described below in a prior comment on the same topic is to be informally measured.
We have very few elements of government not weaponized against us, and much of the judicial system is corrupt, but this [Doughty] decision is crucial, especially in conjunction with Justice Gorsuch’s rebuke that COVID was used to produce the greatest infringement on civil liberties outside of wartime. When a nation shifts to fascism the judiciary’s opinions on crucial cases is often the canary in the coalmine. A decade ago I attended a lecture by the director of the Holocaust Museum in Los Angeles that addressed the topic of how the German laws changed to accommodate the dictatorship. The surprising answer was “very little.” Few new laws needed to be passed and few old laws needed to be discarded. The key was reinterpretation “in the spirit of the times.” An example was a famous Jewish film director under guaranteed contract who was due 50% of his fee if the studio cancelled for any other reason than his dying or becoming disabled. He was alive and well when the studio fired him. The case went to Germany’s high court which decided in favor of the studio, arguing in the Spirit of the Times that in light of Hitler’s programs the director, being undeniably a Jew, might for all practical purposes be considered either dead or disabled. So hang on to this one from Judge Doughty. We need it. We are skating on exceptionally thin ice. Michigan recently passed a "hate crime" bill with felony time of up to 5 years and $10,000 for such against any protected category--which includes transsexuals and their choice of pronouns--for using force or violence or causing grave bodily injury OR "intimidating" someone. Yes, smashing someone with a baseball bat is the same "hate crime" as deliberately and maliciously intimidating them if the motives are the same. Both are "hate crimes" and subject to the same punishments. http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2023-2024/billengrossed/House/pdf/2023-HEBH-4474.pdf So we need a lot more of Gorsuch and Doughty while the Biden administration culls and winnows such people from judicial appointments. This, in the Spirit of the Times, is equal protection under the law, as is this bone-shaking example from New Jersey:
New Jersey AG Sues School Districts Over Policies Prohibiting Teachers From Secretly Transitioning Students
All three school districts recently enacted policies that require school staff to reveal a student’s transgender identity to parents, according to the three briefs filed by the AG. (RELATED: House Armed Services Committee Moves To Suspend Program Responsible For US Navy Drag Queen)
“The involuntary disclosure of students’ gender identity or gender expression will irreparably harm transgender, gender non-conforming, and non-binary students, who already face vastly increased and even deadly risks to their health and safety,” the briefs read.
The New Jersey Law Against Discrimination requires that schools not subject students to different treatments based on their “gender identity and expression.” The New Jersey Department of Education’s Transgender Guidance also stipulates that “a school district shall accept a student’s asserted gender identity” and that “parental consent is not required.”
Hard to say what this actually means. Courts often provide temporary stays until a full panel has a chance to rule. Yes, they could overturn it but I don't think this stay tells us anything.
So I know nothing about the law but please tell me what is the use of having any court pass a law and then they can just go get it canceled in another court. It’s a joke.
It’s like Biden sending troops to Ukraine. He only has authority to augment existing official deployments that are specific, as to a 2014 official deployment, as to which troops are being rotated in and out of Europe and where. There is no deployment to the area he is sending these troops, therefore he’s violating the law (yawn) again. There will be a lawsuit. Years later it will be resolved. He knows it. We know it. Everyone knows it. This is how they play their dirty little game. Hopefully we’re not a vapor cloud before the courts get to this latest violation.
You can bet the 'different appeals panel' has been threatened, bribed, coerced or something similar to hold them accountable to the Biden Admin. This is a dark chapter (I hope it's only a chapter) of US politics. Judge Terry Doughty has made a thorough and prudent judgment with the evidence before him. Scary to think our Constitution and our civil rights are in the hands of these all but proven criminals.
Everyone knows that this goes to SCOTUS where The Big Guy gets his rear pockets handed to him at which point he will announce a workaround.
Here is the ONLY solution. Never, ever vote for a democrat for ANY office ever again.
Does anyone believe Deep State is just going to roll over? There are layers of corruption which are extremely difficult to drive through. All these battles are worthy but we should stop fantasizing that we can change the system though its internal mechanisms. Only an unstoppable critical mass of awakened and pissed off people can put a stop to this. As long as our energy is channeled into support for “democrats” and “republicans” there will be no change.
What the feds are doing is clearly defined as a violation of the First Amendment by Judge Doughty in the original ruling. The DOJ is claiming that the federal government will suffer "irreparable harm" by not being allowed to violate the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution! There are no grounds on which to issue this stay. In fact, the defendants named in the original order should be prosecuted for Treason. The "irreparable harm" has already been (and continues to be) suffered by every American citizen victimized by the federal government's censoring, propaganda, and the illegitimate laws and mandates that the censoring and propaganda supported. When Joe Biden and his cohort of traitors is eventually brought to justice, every last bit of their accumulated wealth must be distributed among the victims of these crimes before their sentences are executed. It won't even cover a tiny fraction of the damages suffered, but it will at least leave nothing to be inherited or left to fund criminal organizations.
Disgusting. Make execution for treason great again.
This is terrible! Is this how things are going to go now? Back & forth with corrupt Judges?
Same thing happened with a 3 judge panel for the Federal workers vaccine mandate stay being overturned in 5th circuit but the 5th circuit EnBanc 15 judge panel reversed it a few months later, so there is major hope!
Well, and the cocaine-gate at the White House is over, too..... so, what can go wrong......
I guess, the good news is that people saw/read/heard about Judge Doughty's decision and hopefully more can see the corruption and help us in this fight.....
Epoch partly got it wrong. It used the word "merits" when that's not what the Order said. Merits has a technical meaning: It's the proceeding that would/will take place after the Preliminary Injunction was granted, to determine whether the plaintiffs have proven their case. If they do, a Permanent Injunction will issue. A different panel of the Fifth Circuit will review the Preliminary Injunction at the next available oral argument. This is not a merits hearing.
No surprise there. Somebody is pocketing cash or somebody is on his knees fellating somebody.
We should remain resolutely realistic. Doughty’s ruling was clear, impassioned and compelling in declaring what the gross constitutional violation was, and why the government must stop engaging in such behavior immediately. The New York Times spun the story as though Judge Doughty has compromised the government’s ability to help the people learn the truth and do what was best for them. Now we go up a step to the panel that is more likely to represent collective judicial opinion rather than the lucky draw of Doughty for a judge. And the panel backs the need to let the government lie through its teeth to people in order to protect them because well, that is how those judges maintain their current position and perquisites and prepare an even brighter future for themselves. Their opinion is a measure of the Spirit of the Times and is genuine grounds for pessimism. They should have been roused to unanimously support Doughty but they instead looked at the bread and found the buttered side. We may yet be lucky at the Supremes (who lose cachet if they support Doughty and whose authority is under attack), but for now I take this as a good rough index of how the Spirit as described below in a prior comment on the same topic is to be informally measured.
We have very few elements of government not weaponized against us, and much of the judicial system is corrupt, but this [Doughty] decision is crucial, especially in conjunction with Justice Gorsuch’s rebuke that COVID was used to produce the greatest infringement on civil liberties outside of wartime. When a nation shifts to fascism the judiciary’s opinions on crucial cases is often the canary in the coalmine. A decade ago I attended a lecture by the director of the Holocaust Museum in Los Angeles that addressed the topic of how the German laws changed to accommodate the dictatorship. The surprising answer was “very little.” Few new laws needed to be passed and few old laws needed to be discarded. The key was reinterpretation “in the spirit of the times.” An example was a famous Jewish film director under guaranteed contract who was due 50% of his fee if the studio cancelled for any other reason than his dying or becoming disabled. He was alive and well when the studio fired him. The case went to Germany’s high court which decided in favor of the studio, arguing in the Spirit of the Times that in light of Hitler’s programs the director, being undeniably a Jew, might for all practical purposes be considered either dead or disabled. So hang on to this one from Judge Doughty. We need it. We are skating on exceptionally thin ice. Michigan recently passed a "hate crime" bill with felony time of up to 5 years and $10,000 for such against any protected category--which includes transsexuals and their choice of pronouns--for using force or violence or causing grave bodily injury OR "intimidating" someone. Yes, smashing someone with a baseball bat is the same "hate crime" as deliberately and maliciously intimidating them if the motives are the same. Both are "hate crimes" and subject to the same punishments. http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2023-2024/billengrossed/House/pdf/2023-HEBH-4474.pdf So we need a lot more of Gorsuch and Doughty while the Biden administration culls and winnows such people from judicial appointments. This, in the Spirit of the Times, is equal protection under the law, as is this bone-shaking example from New Jersey:
New Jersey AG Sues School Districts Over Policies Prohibiting Teachers From Secretly Transitioning Students
All three school districts recently enacted policies that require school staff to reveal a student’s transgender identity to parents, according to the three briefs filed by the AG. (RELATED: House Armed Services Committee Moves To Suspend Program Responsible For US Navy Drag Queen)
“The involuntary disclosure of students’ gender identity or gender expression will irreparably harm transgender, gender non-conforming, and non-binary students, who already face vastly increased and even deadly risks to their health and safety,” the briefs read.
The New Jersey Law Against Discrimination requires that schools not subject students to different treatments based on their “gender identity and expression.” The New Jersey Department of Education’s Transgender Guidance also stipulates that “a school district shall accept a student’s asserted gender identity” and that “parental consent is not required.”
https://dailycaller.com/2023/06/23/new-jersey-ag-school-districts-gender-transition-sue/
Hard to say what this actually means. Courts often provide temporary stays until a full panel has a chance to rule. Yes, they could overturn it but I don't think this stay tells us anything.
You think they ever stopped spying? These people don't obey the law - never will... they need to be expunged along with the agencies they work for
So I know nothing about the law but please tell me what is the use of having any court pass a law and then they can just go get it canceled in another court. It’s a joke.
It’s like Biden sending troops to Ukraine. He only has authority to augment existing official deployments that are specific, as to a 2014 official deployment, as to which troops are being rotated in and out of Europe and where. There is no deployment to the area he is sending these troops, therefore he’s violating the law (yawn) again. There will be a lawsuit. Years later it will be resolved. He knows it. We know it. Everyone knows it. This is how they play their dirty little game. Hopefully we’re not a vapor cloud before the courts get to this latest violation.
The DOJ is a sad shame of a rogue agency. When will people be fed up with all this garbage enough to revolt? That’s what it may take.