Thank you, Meryl. I stand with you and the sane people. And I pray for the light to cleanse the crap out of our community, and for good intention to prevail. They will prevail!!!
If anyone wants to hear additional words from me, in addition to the excellent words of yours, here is how I feel about this in more detail.
Love you Meryl but Malone is as deep state as you can get. Many of us have figured out his MO by now.
"Malone was 61 (about 27 years younger) when he threw his career as a vaccinologist and biotech consultant away."
Press X to doubt. He is doing exactly what is required of him. Look at his "lifestyle". Travelling to Health Freedom conventions, farming, going on "nine podcasts a day" and what, writing 4,000 word + Substacks when he's on the loo presumably?
When I lived in Dubai I did some of the above. It was unsustainable. I was working 16+ hours a day. The guy has a team behind him and I would like to know who is paying for it.
He's covering for DARPA, BARDA and the DoD. I'm sorry but this article was a confusing, incoherent mess. Malone isn't to be trusted.
Even if he is "clean" (which I don't believe), by his own testimony (which I also doubt) he was stupid enough to get the clot shots. Considering I now know of 25 people who have been maimed or killed by the poison, and I warned tens of thousands of people bare minimum online; and predicted it would happen, why should I listen to this person? He's 100% worthless as an "expert" if he took it himself. What a moron.
Why should I listen to anything else he has to say, and not other people, who aren't idiots?
Dear Dr. Robert Malone, I urge you to drop your lawsuit against Dr. Peter Breggin and Ginger Breggin
We’re seeing a budding trend. Defamation suits...
Jon Rappoport
Dec 14, 2022
This piece isn’t about who said what. I’m ignoring that. So readers can put away the popcorn.
We’re seeing a budding trend. Defamation suits. They tend to put a chill on writers, who will ask themselves, “Am I going to get sued for writing THIS?”
Here’s something to keep in mind. The reputation of the plaintiff is ultimately going to be determined by those who, OVER MANY YEARS, read what he writes and listen to what he says. Not by the outcome of his suit.
And what his readers think of him depends on what he writes and says. Every day, month after month, year after year.
If someone calls me an egregious jackass and bunch of other names, and also claims I’m trying to undermine the rule of law and climate change and Joe Biden and highway safety, and also claims I’m an agent of Putin and Satan…and I sue for defamation…
How does that really help me? What does that do for me?
Again, my reputation as a writer depends on what I write every day and what readers think of it.
Newsflash: I’m not overly concerned about my reputation.
I may decide to write something about the person who is attacking me—and he may respond—and we may go back and forth—but so what?
I think Dr. Malone should step back, take a deep breath, and drop his suit. It’s not going to do anything for him.
I understand he is asking for $25 million in damages. I don’t recommend that, either. Putting a dollar figure on what he claims is the injury he’s suffered? And now he’s spending a great deal of time with lawyers and the court justifying that claim? I don’t think so. That will be exhausting.
Suppose Malone wakes up one morning and for no particular reason feels great. He doesn’t care about Peter Breggin. It’s a beautiful day and he just wants to take a walk and look at the trees. But he’s still suing for damages, and for injury. So he has to be injured. I don’t think that’s a good situation. Just saying.
I was once in that perplexing box. I was suing Moses. He had led my (presumed) ancestors around the desert for 40 years looking for the Promised Land. I claimed that was indicative of some sort of hostile intent, because anyone should have been able to find the Promised Land in, at most, five years.
My lawyers were serving papers on Moses. And then, poof, I won a few bucks on the Jets. And a few more on the Dolphins. I took my winnings and laid them down on the Bengals. And I won again. Hot streak.
So there I was, on my back porch, smoking a cigar and sipping sherry and watching my pet alligators thrash around in my moat, and life was good.
I thought about Moses and said what the hell. I called my lawyers and dropped the suit. A week later, Moses called and told me he was probably wrong for telling people I was a traitorous Jew. And we went on with our lives.
Back to the money. My thought is this. If you’re suing someone and you’re asking for a dollar figure you know is going to bankrupt the person you’re suing if you win, you really need to be sure you’re doing the right thing. You really need to think.
For instance, I would be asking myself, “Why don’t I just sue for one dollar?” Because, after all, I just want to prove I’m right. That’s all. Or, “Why don’t I just sue for my lawyers’ fees?” Why am I going for the throat? Because I’ve really lost $25 million, somehow; or because I want revenge and I want to put my accuser out of his house and on the street? And if it’s the latter, did he really do something to me that justifies the amount of pain I’m trying to visit on him? Or am I going off the deep end here and playing with fire?
A writer can always defend himself on the page and stand on his words. And leave things there.
And move on. Because, in the long run, a writer’s work and his effects on readers amounts to much more than what he sees as someone’s attacks against him. I’m talking about the long view, the reality of a writer’s career and life.
Losing perspective isn’t healthy.
Litigiousness can be an itch that comes on suddenly, and you feel you must scratch it. If I were on the verge of suing someone for defamation, I’d think about that, too. For instance, is it possible I’m rolling up all the insults people have leveled against me over the years and I’m trying to kick all their asses at once with this one claim I’m about to file?
Not long ago, I experienced a great itch. Nobody I consulted could cure it. Then I had an idea. I called my lawyer, Gloria Torquemada, and told her to prepare papers against God.
We were going sue Him for standing by and doing nothing while untold numbers people were suffering. For thousands of years.
God’s lawyer, Marty Klein, dropped by my office and talked to me. He said, “Do you really believe winning this suit is going to change anything? Get back to your work. You’re a writer, so write. You can attack God on the page every day if you want to. Trust me, He doesn’t mind. He’s a big boy. He can handle it.”
That was another suit I dropped before it came to trial.
I’m sure there are people who believe Malone’s suit against Breggin is going to bring important issues to the surface and allow us to see them and gain vital insights. I doubt that. I strongly doubt that. I think it’s going to be a mess.
And of course, the mainstream press will delight in covering the mess. They’ll use it to defame and ridicule all sorts of people who stand against official narratives of all kinds. The press owns Popcorn Inc. They manufacture tons of the stuff and sell it to an audience who just wants entertainment. If the press didn’t own that popcorn company, THEY’D be bankrupt and out on the street without a pot to piss in.
If I were about to file a defamation claim, I’d keep that in mind, too.
Can a writer’s career be destroyed by someone’s verbal attacks against him? Hmm. I don’t think so. Sometimes those attacks actually increase the writer’s audience.
And if his audience is so fragile and deserts him because of those attacks, it wasn’t such a valuable audience to begin with. It was following him for superficial reasons.
A writer keeps writing REGARDLESS of what other people think and say, DESPITE what other people think and say. It’s one of the convictions that makes him a writer. He endures. He outlasts criticism.
CODA: I did once file a defamation claim. I went through with it. Gloria, my lawyer, and I leveled a suit against the New York Times for being the New York Times. The judge was ready to dismiss it, on the grounds that it was a nuisance and I also had no standing, but in chambers we convinced him that the depositions were going to be interesting, because we were going to force the Times to define itself.
During those depositions, which lasted some 200 hours, we wound up Times employees in an alarming series of contradictions and admissions. We turned them upside down and inside out. Finally, realizing their plight, they offered to settle.
We won the damages we sought. A nickel.
In the aftermath, I glued that nickel to my right butt cheek. It’s there, every day, as I write. It CLINKS, whenever I sit down. It’s a comfort in times of trouble.
Now that was a good defamation suit. It was righteous. It went after actual bad people.
Dear Dr. Malone, take a deep breath, step back, and relax. Lighten up a little. Think it over. Is this really the right path you’re treading?
I don’t think so. I think it’s the wrong path.
Again, a lawsuit doesn’t make your case. And by case, I mean your position on an issue which, from what I understand, Dr. Breggin criticized. It doesn’t matter what the issue is. Whatever it is, you should stand on your work and your description of that work. That’s the core. That’s you saying, “These things are true, and I’ll explain why.”
Then come hell or high water, you assert and defend your position.
And if you feel someone, anyone is attacking you unfairly, say so.
Michael Yeadon and Wolfgang Wodarg were raising alarms in the Fall of 2020. They even filed a legal motion to stop authorization for use.
I certainly did not have the reputational gravity, but I suggested something very close in form to the Great Barrington Declaration in Unz Review Comments in the Summer of 2020. I was strongly influenced by listening to epidemiologist and biostatistician Knut Wittkowski, formerly of the Rockefeller University.
I also did a first, neophyte-broadcaster podcast with Joe Atwill recorded December 9, 2020 and posted December 11, 2020.
Small actors like us should not be the final word, of course. I am a physiologist and neurobiologist, not an epidemiologist, virologist, vaccinologist, immunologist or infectious disease specialist. My co-host was a software developer before retirement. It is good to see that more expert scientists and physicians quickly became involved. But there is value in a PhD biologist looking at the situation. There are things that we are possibly likely to see that up-close physicians and medical specialists might overlook, especially when pressured by the centralized, bureaucratic academies, corporations, governments and meddlesome NGOS and players like Bill Gates, the WEF and the banks.
Joe and I got many things correct in this as well as in subsequent podcasts. We were early critics of the J&J product. Joe did a particularly good job in spotting the problem with the South African study.
We need better channels of information processing so that small players, with their wide-angle lenses, and moreso experts such as Drs. Wittkowski, Yeadon, Wodarg and Bhakdi can really make an institutional, efficacious difference without the harassment by governments, the Media and compromised, arrogant academics and bureaucrats.
When I first heard the dark horse episode , where Kirsch would not let anyone speak , I searched the podcasts for Malone. There is an earlier podcast with some lady where he dismisses the potential of ADE and does not speak about them being dangerous . He was very much in favour of the vaccines then . But that I believe was already march 2021 or between January and march . I found it interesting that he went away from that position . And in fact used it to suggest my friends listen to him because like then they initially are for the shots .
What I think was happening at the time for him , by his assertions , is he was waiting on the fda to approve studies of ivermectin and other offlAbel drugs for covid . When they kept playing games is started to switch narratives .
If I now find out he has a pre print in 2020 I would like him to respond to that . Because why then does he claim to be double vaxxed when he asserts the danger before they were available ? That is odd. There are questions . I can’t say I agree with Breggins. But Malone is tied to ministry of defense and I don’t need to support or back or believe in a person . I believe in a process and ensuring fair treatment . So if people like yourself get mistreated by power I support your right to be treated fairly . It dies not mean I support what you say or that I think it’s true .
I think this goes much deeper than just the view on mRNA. I analyzed the interview you posted with Malone and Aubrey Marcus in https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/phony-maloney-and-wikispooks. JJ Couey responded to it with Mathew Crawford and Mark Kulacz on Gigaohm Biological. I just posted a YT (not yet up on Substack) responding to them: https://youtu.be/5VaYy_wGVw8.
The important points you and Kennedy raise, Meryl, are contradicted by Malone and I'm not sure why neither of you are objecting to that.
I think Robert Malone is awesome and has been a true leader in the health freedom movement. I recently re-upped my subscription to his Substack. Sorry, if anyone thinks I am naïve, but his writing, public speaking and advocacy are truly topnotch. As RFK said in an interview with Malone a few months ago, if he is "controlled opposition" we could use 10 more of him.
BTW, I never was injected and was immediately suspicious of all of the claims about its safety and efficacy. However, I imagine is is much harder for someone in the medical profession who made his living for years to truly acknowledge the deep corruption of our government and major institutions.
Dr. Nass, I just subscribed to your Stack. Carry on the with great work?
I had initially read both sides of this debate...and I hold HUGE respect for both parties so I was deeply upset from the internal fighting. I was shocked and confused that Breggin was claiming that Malone was a late-comer to questioning the narrative. Then, Breggin blamed Malone for being one of the originators of the original mRNA concept (which he was)...but Breggin seemed to forget that Malone was also so early to the game in expressing deep, strong, and powerful critique of so many elements of this pandemic and its "treatments"?
Thank YOU so much Dr Nass for untangling this web. It hurts me so deeply that Peter Breggin would stoop so low to attack Malone and pretend that Malone was some type of double-agent.
That said, I am still trying to figure out what drove Breggin to attack one of the leading lights of the movement to question the Fauci narrative.
I have followed many doctors and scientists through out this ordeal. I find Dr.Malone to have been upfront about his background early on.
This was started as a campaign to smear him on a competing podcast, that I once watched. I think the podcaster and some of his regular guests are just trying to stay relevant. It is a shame because all involved have saved lives and awakened many.
This will only cause division which is what the deep state wants.
For me the issue is Malone filing a federal lawsuit using a somewhat sleazy lawyer who specializes in working for thin-skinned people who want to use asymmetric lawfare to silence critics.
It's poor behavior on his part. Did the Breggins and Jane Ruby say things that warrant a harsh verbal response? Sure, why not, and I have no problem with your article responding to him. Even I, who thinks Peter Breggin deserves a Nobel Prize for his psychiatry work, sort of bypassed what he was saying about Covid, and I never really watched Jane Ruby after the first couple of times.
You wrote "when he [Malone] threw his career as a vaccinologist and biotech consultant away". True. Even honorable of Malone. His loss of income had nothing to do with what Jane Ruby or Peter Breggin said and that's why he's just being petty.
The Breggins and Ruby didn't cost him $25 million. He's being unreasonable and pathetic in his response.
They're attacking a fireman who rescued one child from a ground floor bedroom of a burning home for not saving ten children on the second floor.
Neither Malone nor Desmet ever blamed the public for being duped by the narrative. That's a total misreading of what mass formation is. All this in-fighting makes no sense.
Thank you, Meryl, for exposing this latest hit piece.
Thank you, Dr. Nass. To our great misfortune, we humans are capable of great nastiness for no good reason. I have read much of what Dr. Malone has written over the past three years, and listened to some of his presentations. He appears to me to be a thoughtful and honorable scientist and human being, motivated by the same values all Americans (except politicians) share and hold dear.
I’ve been on the fence about Malone ever since I started listening to him. He seems so reasonable and calming when you listen to him speak but then these strange things pop up about him from his own account. Why would someone write up a preprint about how dangerous they are and then take one? I heard him say in one interview that it’s because he needed to travel. Really? You would risk your life to be able to travel freely instead of just attending via teleconference until it all blew over? I’m no scientist but I knew about the failed “study” or “demonstration” before the publi Was offered them. Not only that but the people pushing the injections were the same people working overtime to suppress actual safe, inexpensive, early treatments. How could people not see the red flags of this? Why would Malone need to travel to all these symposiums if the “vaccines” were safe enough to take? That’s strange to me. Why does he think the current vaccines are not suitable but is working on his own version? (For a disease that is less dangerous than the average flu and far less dangerous for children?) Isn’t it obvious that most vaccines are fraudulent? Especially those for respiratory illnesses. And why is he suing people who are trying to warn the public?
I realize that the stakes are high and so people are going to have serious disagreements but it’s just all very strange with Malone.
At this point, I don’t know who is trustworthy or not. What I do know is that somehow, despite the obvious crimes being committed, -death, destruction, widespread damage of all kinds- society just keeps going on as if everything is normal. It’s the strangest thing I could ever have imagined. Someone or some group of people are doing a damn good job of keeping the opposition from uniting and stopping these horrific plans that are being unrolled. The Psy-Ops has been mind blowing to observe (those that I can detect anyway). Most people are in a propaganda trans. The rest who see what’s going on are suspended in a state of suspicion of people claiming to speak the truth.
Covid is clearly one of many events in a long string of money and power grabs. Is this because of long term deployment of controlled opposition? Or just a general powerlessness of the common person up against the powerful machine of the ruling class? Either way, it’s demoralizing. At least I can safely trust my general mistrust of anything the government puts out. That’s the only thing one can reliably count on.
If he questioned the mrna vaccines in march 2020, why did he take the vaccine himself?
Thank you, Meryl. I stand with you and the sane people. And I pray for the light to cleanse the crap out of our community, and for good intention to prevail. They will prevail!!!
If anyone wants to hear additional words from me, in addition to the excellent words of yours, here is how I feel about this in more detail.
https://tessa.substack.com/p/malone-vs-breggins
Love you Meryl but Malone is as deep state as you can get. Many of us have figured out his MO by now.
"Malone was 61 (about 27 years younger) when he threw his career as a vaccinologist and biotech consultant away."
Press X to doubt. He is doing exactly what is required of him. Look at his "lifestyle". Travelling to Health Freedom conventions, farming, going on "nine podcasts a day" and what, writing 4,000 word + Substacks when he's on the loo presumably?
When I lived in Dubai I did some of the above. It was unsustainable. I was working 16+ hours a day. The guy has a team behind him and I would like to know who is paying for it.
He's covering for DARPA, BARDA and the DoD. I'm sorry but this article was a confusing, incoherent mess. Malone isn't to be trusted.
Even if he is "clean" (which I don't believe), by his own testimony (which I also doubt) he was stupid enough to get the clot shots. Considering I now know of 25 people who have been maimed or killed by the poison, and I warned tens of thousands of people bare minimum online; and predicted it would happen, why should I listen to this person? He's 100% worthless as an "expert" if he took it himself. What a moron.
Why should I listen to anything else he has to say, and not other people, who aren't idiots?
Malone seems untrustworthy to many people. And he is suing people who disagree with him. Seems strange. I’m going to do more research.
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Dear Dr. Robert Malone, I urge you to drop your lawsuit against Dr. Peter Breggin and Ginger Breggin
We’re seeing a budding trend. Defamation suits...
Jon Rappoport
Dec 14, 2022
This piece isn’t about who said what. I’m ignoring that. So readers can put away the popcorn.
We’re seeing a budding trend. Defamation suits. They tend to put a chill on writers, who will ask themselves, “Am I going to get sued for writing THIS?”
Here’s something to keep in mind. The reputation of the plaintiff is ultimately going to be determined by those who, OVER MANY YEARS, read what he writes and listen to what he says. Not by the outcome of his suit.
And what his readers think of him depends on what he writes and says. Every day, month after month, year after year.
If someone calls me an egregious jackass and bunch of other names, and also claims I’m trying to undermine the rule of law and climate change and Joe Biden and highway safety, and also claims I’m an agent of Putin and Satan…and I sue for defamation…
How does that really help me? What does that do for me?
Again, my reputation as a writer depends on what I write every day and what readers think of it.
Newsflash: I’m not overly concerned about my reputation.
I may decide to write something about the person who is attacking me—and he may respond—and we may go back and forth—but so what?
I think Dr. Malone should step back, take a deep breath, and drop his suit. It’s not going to do anything for him.
I understand he is asking for $25 million in damages. I don’t recommend that, either. Putting a dollar figure on what he claims is the injury he’s suffered? And now he’s spending a great deal of time with lawyers and the court justifying that claim? I don’t think so. That will be exhausting.
Suppose Malone wakes up one morning and for no particular reason feels great. He doesn’t care about Peter Breggin. It’s a beautiful day and he just wants to take a walk and look at the trees. But he’s still suing for damages, and for injury. So he has to be injured. I don’t think that’s a good situation. Just saying.
I was once in that perplexing box. I was suing Moses. He had led my (presumed) ancestors around the desert for 40 years looking for the Promised Land. I claimed that was indicative of some sort of hostile intent, because anyone should have been able to find the Promised Land in, at most, five years.
My lawyers were serving papers on Moses. And then, poof, I won a few bucks on the Jets. And a few more on the Dolphins. I took my winnings and laid them down on the Bengals. And I won again. Hot streak.
So there I was, on my back porch, smoking a cigar and sipping sherry and watching my pet alligators thrash around in my moat, and life was good.
I thought about Moses and said what the hell. I called my lawyers and dropped the suit. A week later, Moses called and told me he was probably wrong for telling people I was a traitorous Jew. And we went on with our lives.
Back to the money. My thought is this. If you’re suing someone and you’re asking for a dollar figure you know is going to bankrupt the person you’re suing if you win, you really need to be sure you’re doing the right thing. You really need to think.
For instance, I would be asking myself, “Why don’t I just sue for one dollar?” Because, after all, I just want to prove I’m right. That’s all. Or, “Why don’t I just sue for my lawyers’ fees?” Why am I going for the throat? Because I’ve really lost $25 million, somehow; or because I want revenge and I want to put my accuser out of his house and on the street? And if it’s the latter, did he really do something to me that justifies the amount of pain I’m trying to visit on him? Or am I going off the deep end here and playing with fire?
A writer can always defend himself on the page and stand on his words. And leave things there.
And move on. Because, in the long run, a writer’s work and his effects on readers amounts to much more than what he sees as someone’s attacks against him. I’m talking about the long view, the reality of a writer’s career and life.
Losing perspective isn’t healthy.
Litigiousness can be an itch that comes on suddenly, and you feel you must scratch it. If I were on the verge of suing someone for defamation, I’d think about that, too. For instance, is it possible I’m rolling up all the insults people have leveled against me over the years and I’m trying to kick all their asses at once with this one claim I’m about to file?
Not long ago, I experienced a great itch. Nobody I consulted could cure it. Then I had an idea. I called my lawyer, Gloria Torquemada, and told her to prepare papers against God.
We were going sue Him for standing by and doing nothing while untold numbers people were suffering. For thousands of years.
God’s lawyer, Marty Klein, dropped by my office and talked to me. He said, “Do you really believe winning this suit is going to change anything? Get back to your work. You’re a writer, so write. You can attack God on the page every day if you want to. Trust me, He doesn’t mind. He’s a big boy. He can handle it.”
That was another suit I dropped before it came to trial.
I’m sure there are people who believe Malone’s suit against Breggin is going to bring important issues to the surface and allow us to see them and gain vital insights. I doubt that. I strongly doubt that. I think it’s going to be a mess.
And of course, the mainstream press will delight in covering the mess. They’ll use it to defame and ridicule all sorts of people who stand against official narratives of all kinds. The press owns Popcorn Inc. They manufacture tons of the stuff and sell it to an audience who just wants entertainment. If the press didn’t own that popcorn company, THEY’D be bankrupt and out on the street without a pot to piss in.
If I were about to file a defamation claim, I’d keep that in mind, too.
Can a writer’s career be destroyed by someone’s verbal attacks against him? Hmm. I don’t think so. Sometimes those attacks actually increase the writer’s audience.
And if his audience is so fragile and deserts him because of those attacks, it wasn’t such a valuable audience to begin with. It was following him for superficial reasons.
A writer keeps writing REGARDLESS of what other people think and say, DESPITE what other people think and say. It’s one of the convictions that makes him a writer. He endures. He outlasts criticism.
CODA: I did once file a defamation claim. I went through with it. Gloria, my lawyer, and I leveled a suit against the New York Times for being the New York Times. The judge was ready to dismiss it, on the grounds that it was a nuisance and I also had no standing, but in chambers we convinced him that the depositions were going to be interesting, because we were going to force the Times to define itself.
During those depositions, which lasted some 200 hours, we wound up Times employees in an alarming series of contradictions and admissions. We turned them upside down and inside out. Finally, realizing their plight, they offered to settle.
We won the damages we sought. A nickel.
In the aftermath, I glued that nickel to my right butt cheek. It’s there, every day, as I write. It CLINKS, whenever I sit down. It’s a comfort in times of trouble.
Now that was a good defamation suit. It was righteous. It went after actual bad people.
Dear Dr. Malone, take a deep breath, step back, and relax. Lighten up a little. Think it over. Is this really the right path you’re treading?
I don’t think so. I think it’s the wrong path.
Again, a lawsuit doesn’t make your case. And by case, I mean your position on an issue which, from what I understand, Dr. Breggin criticized. It doesn’t matter what the issue is. Whatever it is, you should stand on your work and your description of that work. That’s the core. That’s you saying, “These things are true, and I’ll explain why.”
Then come hell or high water, you assert and defend your position.
And if you feel someone, anyone is attacking you unfairly, say so.
And keep standing in the stream. With your work.
That’s how it really goes.
Always has, always will.
-- Jon Rappoport
Michael Yeadon and Wolfgang Wodarg were raising alarms in the Fall of 2020. They even filed a legal motion to stop authorization for use.
I certainly did not have the reputational gravity, but I suggested something very close in form to the Great Barrington Declaration in Unz Review Comments in the Summer of 2020. I was strongly influenced by listening to epidemiologist and biostatistician Knut Wittkowski, formerly of the Rockefeller University.
I also did a first, neophyte-broadcaster podcast with Joe Atwill recorded December 9, 2020 and posted December 11, 2020.
https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/deschmitt/episodes/2020-12-11T14_37_48-08_00
Small actors like us should not be the final word, of course. I am a physiologist and neurobiologist, not an epidemiologist, virologist, vaccinologist, immunologist or infectious disease specialist. My co-host was a software developer before retirement. It is good to see that more expert scientists and physicians quickly became involved. But there is value in a PhD biologist looking at the situation. There are things that we are possibly likely to see that up-close physicians and medical specialists might overlook, especially when pressured by the centralized, bureaucratic academies, corporations, governments and meddlesome NGOS and players like Bill Gates, the WEF and the banks.
Joe and I got many things correct in this as well as in subsequent podcasts. We were early critics of the J&J product. Joe did a particularly good job in spotting the problem with the South African study.
We need better channels of information processing so that small players, with their wide-angle lenses, and moreso experts such as Drs. Wittkowski, Yeadon, Wodarg and Bhakdi can really make an institutional, efficacious difference without the harassment by governments, the Media and compromised, arrogant academics and bureaucrats.
When I first heard the dark horse episode , where Kirsch would not let anyone speak , I searched the podcasts for Malone. There is an earlier podcast with some lady where he dismisses the potential of ADE and does not speak about them being dangerous . He was very much in favour of the vaccines then . But that I believe was already march 2021 or between January and march . I found it interesting that he went away from that position . And in fact used it to suggest my friends listen to him because like then they initially are for the shots .
What I think was happening at the time for him , by his assertions , is he was waiting on the fda to approve studies of ivermectin and other offlAbel drugs for covid . When they kept playing games is started to switch narratives .
If I now find out he has a pre print in 2020 I would like him to respond to that . Because why then does he claim to be double vaxxed when he asserts the danger before they were available ? That is odd. There are questions . I can’t say I agree with Breggins. But Malone is tied to ministry of defense and I don’t need to support or back or believe in a person . I believe in a process and ensuring fair treatment . So if people like yourself get mistreated by power I support your right to be treated fairly . It dies not mean I support what you say or that I think it’s true .
I think this goes much deeper than just the view on mRNA. I analyzed the interview you posted with Malone and Aubrey Marcus in https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/phony-maloney-and-wikispooks. JJ Couey responded to it with Mathew Crawford and Mark Kulacz on Gigaohm Biological. I just posted a YT (not yet up on Substack) responding to them: https://youtu.be/5VaYy_wGVw8.
The important points you and Kennedy raise, Meryl, are contradicted by Malone and I'm not sure why neither of you are objecting to that.
I think Robert Malone is awesome and has been a true leader in the health freedom movement. I recently re-upped my subscription to his Substack. Sorry, if anyone thinks I am naïve, but his writing, public speaking and advocacy are truly topnotch. As RFK said in an interview with Malone a few months ago, if he is "controlled opposition" we could use 10 more of him.
BTW, I never was injected and was immediately suspicious of all of the claims about its safety and efficacy. However, I imagine is is much harder for someone in the medical profession who made his living for years to truly acknowledge the deep corruption of our government and major institutions.
Dr. Nass, I just subscribed to your Stack. Carry on the with great work?
I had initially read both sides of this debate...and I hold HUGE respect for both parties so I was deeply upset from the internal fighting. I was shocked and confused that Breggin was claiming that Malone was a late-comer to questioning the narrative. Then, Breggin blamed Malone for being one of the originators of the original mRNA concept (which he was)...but Breggin seemed to forget that Malone was also so early to the game in expressing deep, strong, and powerful critique of so many elements of this pandemic and its "treatments"?
Thank YOU so much Dr Nass for untangling this web. It hurts me so deeply that Peter Breggin would stoop so low to attack Malone and pretend that Malone was some type of double-agent.
That said, I am still trying to figure out what drove Breggin to attack one of the leading lights of the movement to question the Fauci narrative.
Thank you for writing this Dr. Nass.
I have followed many doctors and scientists through out this ordeal. I find Dr.Malone to have been upfront about his background early on.
This was started as a campaign to smear him on a competing podcast, that I once watched. I think the podcaster and some of his regular guests are just trying to stay relevant. It is a shame because all involved have saved lives and awakened many.
This will only cause division which is what the deep state wants.
We need Malone's voice and we need Breggin's voice. We can't afford to become a circular firing squad.
For me the issue is Malone filing a federal lawsuit using a somewhat sleazy lawyer who specializes in working for thin-skinned people who want to use asymmetric lawfare to silence critics.
It's poor behavior on his part. Did the Breggins and Jane Ruby say things that warrant a harsh verbal response? Sure, why not, and I have no problem with your article responding to him. Even I, who thinks Peter Breggin deserves a Nobel Prize for his psychiatry work, sort of bypassed what he was saying about Covid, and I never really watched Jane Ruby after the first couple of times.
You wrote "when he [Malone] threw his career as a vaccinologist and biotech consultant away". True. Even honorable of Malone. His loss of income had nothing to do with what Jane Ruby or Peter Breggin said and that's why he's just being petty.
The Breggins and Ruby didn't cost him $25 million. He's being unreasonable and pathetic in his response.
They're attacking a fireman who rescued one child from a ground floor bedroom of a burning home for not saving ten children on the second floor.
Neither Malone nor Desmet ever blamed the public for being duped by the narrative. That's a total misreading of what mass formation is. All this in-fighting makes no sense.
Thank you, Meryl, for exposing this latest hit piece.
Thank you, Dr. Nass. To our great misfortune, we humans are capable of great nastiness for no good reason. I have read much of what Dr. Malone has written over the past three years, and listened to some of his presentations. He appears to me to be a thoughtful and honorable scientist and human being, motivated by the same values all Americans (except politicians) share and hold dear.
I’ve been on the fence about Malone ever since I started listening to him. He seems so reasonable and calming when you listen to him speak but then these strange things pop up about him from his own account. Why would someone write up a preprint about how dangerous they are and then take one? I heard him say in one interview that it’s because he needed to travel. Really? You would risk your life to be able to travel freely instead of just attending via teleconference until it all blew over? I’m no scientist but I knew about the failed “study” or “demonstration” before the publi Was offered them. Not only that but the people pushing the injections were the same people working overtime to suppress actual safe, inexpensive, early treatments. How could people not see the red flags of this? Why would Malone need to travel to all these symposiums if the “vaccines” were safe enough to take? That’s strange to me. Why does he think the current vaccines are not suitable but is working on his own version? (For a disease that is less dangerous than the average flu and far less dangerous for children?) Isn’t it obvious that most vaccines are fraudulent? Especially those for respiratory illnesses. And why is he suing people who are trying to warn the public?
I realize that the stakes are high and so people are going to have serious disagreements but it’s just all very strange with Malone.
At this point, I don’t know who is trustworthy or not. What I do know is that somehow, despite the obvious crimes being committed, -death, destruction, widespread damage of all kinds- society just keeps going on as if everything is normal. It’s the strangest thing I could ever have imagined. Someone or some group of people are doing a damn good job of keeping the opposition from uniting and stopping these horrific plans that are being unrolled. The Psy-Ops has been mind blowing to observe (those that I can detect anyway). Most people are in a propaganda trans. The rest who see what’s going on are suspended in a state of suspicion of people claiming to speak the truth.
Covid is clearly one of many events in a long string of money and power grabs. Is this because of long term deployment of controlled opposition? Or just a general powerlessness of the common person up against the powerful machine of the ruling class? Either way, it’s demoralizing. At least I can safely trust my general mistrust of anything the government puts out. That’s the only thing one can reliably count on.