Ron Paul comes to mind as the one presidential candidate in my lifetime who consistently told voters, "the narratives 95 percent of the public believes are true are ... false."
Ron Paul was/is considered a "kook" or "conspiracy theorist" ... also (of course) a "racist." In 2012, when Paul's presidential bid - against all odds - was gaining impressive grassroots support and he was doing surprisingly well in the polls, the Establishment intervened and shot down his campaign.
There's a lesson there. Still, Paul was running on core principles and was trying to persuade future leaders and voters to think about important topics differently. RFK, Jr. is probably running for the same reasons. However, my guess is that Mr. Kennedy knows how the "political game is played" and will perhaps be able to more-effectively counter some of the strategies that will be used to silence his message.
I of course hope that you are correct but unfortunately I think that RFK's 'effectiveness' will likely be a moot point. the DNC, and their toadies in the MSM, will (already are!) successfully muting him out of any productive conversation. in the short weeks between RFK throwing his hat in the ring, and Biden saying he will run for reelection, the DNC announced that they will hold NO primary debates. (duh, no surprise there!) I predict that the blue states will attempt to block putting RFK on the primary ballot.
right?! so much for 'reporting the news'. its all corporate-driven opinion. what about the dipshit network broad who only wanted to talk about how his sisters disagree with him... like so F-ing what?! since when do supposedly serious media folks add taped 'disclaimers' before airing a creatively edited interview with a major presidential candidate?? its already making their treatment of Trump (of whom I am NO fan,) look like a puff piece on Entertainment Tonight!
David versus Goliath started out looking hopeless.. such a small boy (with just a slingshot)against such a huge fierce (fully equipped )fighter ... I think JFK’s courage is contagious, he gives us hope by openly spreading the truth against the lying MSM / government/ big Pharma narrative.This man is fearlessly fighting against a narrative that uses fear to power its entire operation.It’s fear that they have weaponized against “we the people “to weaken us and steal our freedoms.
I am very much hoping for debate between RFK Jr. and DeSantis, once the latter announces his candidacy later this month. That would be awesome. If FOX hosted it, they would have huge viewership.
Kennedy vs. Biden would set all ratings records. But we know the Powers That Be in the Democratic Party have already said, "There ain't gonna be no debates."
the refusal to debate SHOULD be a massive red flag to the vast majority of citizens but I'm afraid many will buy whatever BS is put forth as an excuse not to. people should be asking WHY, if the administration (cuz clearly Biden is NOT in charge!) are so sure their policies were correct, would they not jump at the chance to defend them.
I was 72 when early on I got sick with "COVID" I was in really bad shape but I was not going to the hospital because I knew I would never come home again. If this were to be the end for me I was going to leave this earth under my own will. I was fortunate enough to know a doctor that believed the pandemic was a sham and refusing to treat people with the FLU was wrong. She gave me HCQ AND Ivermectin, Prednisone, AZ, NAC and later added aspirin because my breathing was not coming around as well as she felt it should and she said they were seeing lung clots in COVID patients. She also extended my time on HCQ from 5 days to 10 days. It took 3 weeks but I came through. I think it took a while for me to respond because I waited too long before I contacted her. It took a long time for my sense of taste and smell to return but it eventually did return. I bet if RFK Jr. took testimony from the many, many thousands of people that opted to buck the system and get treated outside the draconian protocols from the CDC/WHO he would be surprised how many people were saved by HCQ and Ivermectin.
I agree ... I am unvaxx’d and was 74 y/o when I tested positive for Covid 18 months ago. Early treatment was always the key. My only intervention was topical IVM, saline nasal rinse, and gargling with antiseptic mouthwash. My symptoms never went beyond a scratchy throat. I applied the same protocol subsequently to my unvaxx’d 72 y/o sister and unvaxx’d 99 y/o mom who had multiple health issues as soon as they tested positive too and they experienced mild symptoms and all recovered with no after effects. 🙏🏻
I used the Aspen brand IVERMAX POUR ON … I applied one tsp to the soles of both feet, once a day for three days. I had to purchase it from a farm feed store. They asked for ID, logged me in, and asked me how I was going to use it. This was the story I gave to pass muster: I was buying it for a cow I had purchased with a group of friends for meat.
Topical "pour on" is used in veterinary practice. In our farming community, it was all many could access after our state prohibited doctors from prescribing and pharmacists from filling rx.
I was able to get a script from my MD for IVM but he instructed me to say if asked, it was for scabies. We never had to use the oral form IVM because the Ivermax Pour On worked effectively enough for us. 🙏🏻
<<if RFK Jr. took testimony from the many, many thousands of people>> EVEN BETTER -- He has consulted with doctors who treated such patients. It was part of his research when her wrote the Fauci book.
100%! Plus doctors who say they don't work discount all the people other doctors saw a significant difference in after prescribing them to their patients. Also there's NO SUCH THING AS A ONE SIZE FITS ALL regimen! I can take sulpha drugs but a WHOLE bunch of people can't! Same with Penicillin! I think this is actually the LEAST of our worries and if rfk is running for President I want to know what he's going to do about the border and all those who already came in! I want to know my guns are safe! I want to know we aren't going to worry about climate change or co2 emissions that litterally are not an issue! I need to know chemtrails are going to stop because God doesn't need help with the weather! Even though we all know it's to poison us and deplete soil nutrients! At the end of the day if people believe that anyone will win, other than Brandon or whoever they install, I have some cheap ocean front property in AZ for sale! We didn't fix 2020 so 2024 will not be different! We never had a chance to fix it with all the crooked DA's, Judges, and Lawyers! What do they say about the definition of insanity is?! 'Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome!' Our number ine concern right now needs to be getting our relationship with God right. Me included and especially! I find hope in that...not listening to people debate. IOW beating a dead horse to death!
There is this huge problem with non-clinicians; they refuse to accept the fact that RCTs can be rigged, especially when funded by the likes of NIH and Gilead. I wonder why no one has advised Mr. Kennedy to look into real-world data from India, where millions were prescribed IVM at the height of the pandemic. An Indian physician who used IVM during the Delta phase does not need to look at studies conducted by incentivized people. I would go further and say that Mr.Kennedy should not waste his valuable time sparring with doctors who have never treated a single patient with COVID. The current sub-lineages of XBB recover without any medication; they don't even need ivermectin because, despite being immune-evasive and very infective,they are much milder. I ignore ivermetin sceptics.
I think there is an enormous benefit in engaging with anyone who’s willing to engage, especially with some one like Vinay who has been very critical of the FDA and has a large following. Eventually the public has to change their mind and this requires people with platforms. Moreover he is pointing out the real problem, that censorship leads us into darkness. I applaud him for that.
Bobby’s challenge as written is clear and substantive. Let’s see how Prasad responds before dismissing him completely.
It would seem wasteful time, however Vinjay is one of the few docs with a national platform who has been willing to re-examine his views. So I am thankful due this debate. I’m sure RFK is very familiar with the Indian experience but must speak re the data.
Sadly there are many clinicians in the US who still think ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine have not benefits for covid.... they follow whatever the cdc says . Many not even recommending vitamin D or zinc . In the beginning of plandemic patients were told to stay home for 2 weeks , take Tylenol then come back to hospital if worsen .... no supplements, vitamins were advised for early outpatient treatment
Who wins are the people using these substance and other natural goodies who have survived. The losers always have a higher risk of death when relying on other big pharma drugs and the medical mafia.
This is the debate that should have happened in 2020 if we had a functioning democracy. The fact that it didn’t happen is reason enough to burn DC down it needs to be defunded there is only one way to kill the bureaucratic monster that lied to us and that’s to starve it if funds. Have Mr Kennedy make that pledge and he will have my vote.
I'll back up another step: how about if we had a functioning MEDICAL system! governments, under ANY system (supposedly democratic or not,) have NO business in health care and/or medical decisions of individuals in the first place. but alas, where there's $$$, the disingenuous come out with heavy handed bullshit and all pretext of actual science & good medical practice goes out the window.
Prasad is institutionalized. He’s a member of the San Francisco institutional medicine community both associated with killing institutions AKA as hospitals and indoctrination centers, formerly known as institutions of higher learning or universities.
His credentials compared to RFK Jr. - author of “The Real Anthony Fauci” - leave little doubt as to who would win the debate even before it started.
These “experts “are getting bennies for influencing public opinion.. it’s a large well funded psych op.. the elites understand the power of the media in that it is believed by many people to be the truth.. I heard it on the news........ did you hear the panic in Chelsea Clinton’s message about people not believing the science because of misinformation during the plandemic.. it appears people are not rushing out to jab themselves or their children.. that’s a problem for these evil plotters of the NWO.
I don't know why I thought I would hear anything other than obfuscation from Prasad. And that's what I heard. Regarding RFK's argument about how the prevalence of autoimmune disease after 1989 has to be associated with the vaccine schedule, Prasad said, with careful thought: "The Berlin Wall also came down during that period." Interesting choice of metaphor for a person who's retort to grounded claims challenging the standard narrative is, itself, so walled in.
The Berlin Wall comment made me giggle. Is this the best rebuttal he could come up with? I guess the answer is yes—and that reveals the weakness of his argument.
I am so glad RFK responded to Prasad's assertion (which he has been banging on about for a long time for some reason). I wonder if Prasad is under the impression that he is the only medical school professor who can read a study, because that is his schtick, that people can't analyze studies. Yet as you know, a number of famous and well-regarded medical school professors DO believe the evidence shows IVM and HCQ are very effective.
Prasad is wrong to dismiss out of hand the clinical experience and observations of physicians that have treated hundreds, even thousands of covid patients with IVM or HCQ.
Amazing, the instinct for self-preservation of these vaxxaholics!
Had they in early 2020 displayed the same level of conscience towards the then known mRNA-caused adverse events and lethality, rather than sucking at the teat of institutional manna, the scamdemic would NEVER have taken place, and Covid would have been relegated the same early, uneventful death as all the other flu variations that pop up during the winter months.
Wow, so glad to see a challenge mounted to Vinay's obsession with RCTs that were so obviously manipulated! He bows down to RCTs as if to a religion, and then claims to be science-based. Surely he knows you can design an RCT to prove whatever you set out to.
We all win when we are allowed to hear and consider differing substantive opinions in medicine. If you get 5 surgeons in a room, you will get 7 different opinions, because a few will change their mind!
This is of course even more true for a democracy. That we are having debates about whether to debate is a sign of the sickness in our society. RFK appears to correctly understand he must first educate, which means gong on many different platforms.
Personally, I would love to see a Lincoln Douglas between him and Vivek. Might even pay...
it looks like ivermectin can treat much more than covid .......... a lot of illness/disease is caused by various parasites in various parts of the human body..... viruses are a parasite?? apparently............. I bought 3-4 books of Dr. Hulda Clark research / books from 1990s and 2000s at drclarkstore.com. Very detailed, many case studies, etc. Current researcher ........ using studies from around the world........ posted on NIH public site.............. https://floridasharkman.org/protocol/protocol/
RFK won
Today's authorized scientists don't engage in real debates - or entertain opposite theories ... Neither does EVERY journalist in our corporate media.
RFK, Jr. does engage in this process. But political candidates aren't supposed to do this either.
Ron Paul comes to mind as the one presidential candidate in my lifetime who consistently told voters, "the narratives 95 percent of the public believes are true are ... false."
Ron Paul was/is considered a "kook" or "conspiracy theorist" ... also (of course) a "racist." In 2012, when Paul's presidential bid - against all odds - was gaining impressive grassroots support and he was doing surprisingly well in the polls, the Establishment intervened and shot down his campaign.
There's a lesson there. Still, Paul was running on core principles and was trying to persuade future leaders and voters to think about important topics differently. RFK, Jr. is probably running for the same reasons. However, my guess is that Mr. Kennedy knows how the "political game is played" and will perhaps be able to more-effectively counter some of the strategies that will be used to silence his message.
I of course hope that you are correct but unfortunately I think that RFK's 'effectiveness' will likely be a moot point. the DNC, and their toadies in the MSM, will (already are!) successfully muting him out of any productive conversation. in the short weeks between RFK throwing his hat in the ring, and Biden saying he will run for reelection, the DNC announced that they will hold NO primary debates. (duh, no surprise there!) I predict that the blue states will attempt to block putting RFK on the primary ballot.
I agree, Warrior Mom. Kennedy is fighting all of "City Hall." Such a project is definitely not for sissies. We KNOW the other side doesn't fight fair
... I used the example of the AP's "news story" on Kennedy's presidential announcement to show what his campaign will be facing in the months to come.
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/hatchet-job-on-rfk-jr-is-new-low
right?! so much for 'reporting the news'. its all corporate-driven opinion. what about the dipshit network broad who only wanted to talk about how his sisters disagree with him... like so F-ing what?! since when do supposedly serious media folks add taped 'disclaimers' before airing a creatively edited interview with a major presidential candidate?? its already making their treatment of Trump (of whom I am NO fan,) look like a puff piece on Entertainment Tonight!
David versus Goliath started out looking hopeless.. such a small boy (with just a slingshot)against such a huge fierce (fully equipped )fighter ... I think JFK’s courage is contagious, he gives us hope by openly spreading the truth against the lying MSM / government/ big Pharma narrative.This man is fearlessly fighting against a narrative that uses fear to power its entire operation.It’s fear that they have weaponized against “we the people “to weaken us and steal our freedoms.
I am very much hoping for debate between RFK Jr. and DeSantis, once the latter announces his candidacy later this month. That would be awesome. If FOX hosted it, they would have huge viewership.
Kennedy vs. Biden would set all ratings records. But we know the Powers That Be in the Democratic Party have already said, "There ain't gonna be no debates."
Imagine if a main GOP candidate said “No debate; not gonna happen.” All h€ll would break loose.
the refusal to debate SHOULD be a massive red flag to the vast majority of citizens but I'm afraid many will buy whatever BS is put forth as an excuse not to. people should be asking WHY, if the administration (cuz clearly Biden is NOT in charge!) are so sure their policies were correct, would they not jump at the chance to defend them.
In my latest piece on Kennedy, I opine that the man could, in fact, win.
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/bobby-kennedy-might-win
Debate .. a word we should reintroduce to“ the science “.
Because it's the truth.
INDEED. He is the one who knows the truth.
I was 72 when early on I got sick with "COVID" I was in really bad shape but I was not going to the hospital because I knew I would never come home again. If this were to be the end for me I was going to leave this earth under my own will. I was fortunate enough to know a doctor that believed the pandemic was a sham and refusing to treat people with the FLU was wrong. She gave me HCQ AND Ivermectin, Prednisone, AZ, NAC and later added aspirin because my breathing was not coming around as well as she felt it should and she said they were seeing lung clots in COVID patients. She also extended my time on HCQ from 5 days to 10 days. It took 3 weeks but I came through. I think it took a while for me to respond because I waited too long before I contacted her. It took a long time for my sense of taste and smell to return but it eventually did return. I bet if RFK Jr. took testimony from the many, many thousands of people that opted to buck the system and get treated outside the draconian protocols from the CDC/WHO he would be surprised how many people were saved by HCQ and Ivermectin.
I agree ... I am unvaxx’d and was 74 y/o when I tested positive for Covid 18 months ago. Early treatment was always the key. My only intervention was topical IVM, saline nasal rinse, and gargling with antiseptic mouthwash. My symptoms never went beyond a scratchy throat. I applied the same protocol subsequently to my unvaxx’d 72 y/o sister and unvaxx’d 99 y/o mom who had multiple health issues as soon as they tested positive too and they experienced mild symptoms and all recovered with no after effects. 🙏🏻
Topical IVM? Where on your skin did you apply it? Or do you mean IVM paste?
I used the Aspen brand IVERMAX POUR ON … I applied one tsp to the soles of both feet, once a day for three days. I had to purchase it from a farm feed store. They asked for ID, logged me in, and asked me how I was going to use it. This was the story I gave to pass muster: I was buying it for a cow I had purchased with a group of friends for meat.
Topical "pour on" is used in veterinary practice. In our farming community, it was all many could access after our state prohibited doctors from prescribing and pharmacists from filling rx.
I was able to get a script from my MD for IVM but he instructed me to say if asked, it was for scabies. We never had to use the oral form IVM because the Ivermax Pour On worked effectively enough for us. 🙏🏻
<<if RFK Jr. took testimony from the many, many thousands of people>> EVEN BETTER -- He has consulted with doctors who treated such patients. It was part of his research when her wrote the Fauci book.
That is true but then there are people like me who read the literature from these “doctors” and self treated with IVM and never saw an MD. 🙏🏻
Same here.
100%! Plus doctors who say they don't work discount all the people other doctors saw a significant difference in after prescribing them to their patients. Also there's NO SUCH THING AS A ONE SIZE FITS ALL regimen! I can take sulpha drugs but a WHOLE bunch of people can't! Same with Penicillin! I think this is actually the LEAST of our worries and if rfk is running for President I want to know what he's going to do about the border and all those who already came in! I want to know my guns are safe! I want to know we aren't going to worry about climate change or co2 emissions that litterally are not an issue! I need to know chemtrails are going to stop because God doesn't need help with the weather! Even though we all know it's to poison us and deplete soil nutrients! At the end of the day if people believe that anyone will win, other than Brandon or whoever they install, I have some cheap ocean front property in AZ for sale! We didn't fix 2020 so 2024 will not be different! We never had a chance to fix it with all the crooked DA's, Judges, and Lawyers! What do they say about the definition of insanity is?! 'Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome!' Our number ine concern right now needs to be getting our relationship with God right. Me included and especially! I find hope in that...not listening to people debate. IOW beating a dead horse to death!
So glad you made it, Karen!!
There is this huge problem with non-clinicians; they refuse to accept the fact that RCTs can be rigged, especially when funded by the likes of NIH and Gilead. I wonder why no one has advised Mr. Kennedy to look into real-world data from India, where millions were prescribed IVM at the height of the pandemic. An Indian physician who used IVM during the Delta phase does not need to look at studies conducted by incentivized people. I would go further and say that Mr.Kennedy should not waste his valuable time sparring with doctors who have never treated a single patient with COVID. The current sub-lineages of XBB recover without any medication; they don't even need ivermectin because, despite being immune-evasive and very infective,they are much milder. I ignore ivermetin sceptics.
I think there is an enormous benefit in engaging with anyone who’s willing to engage, especially with some one like Vinay who has been very critical of the FDA and has a large following. Eventually the public has to change their mind and this requires people with platforms. Moreover he is pointing out the real problem, that censorship leads us into darkness. I applaud him for that.
Bobby’s challenge as written is clear and substantive. Let’s see how Prasad responds before dismissing him completely.
It would seem wasteful time, however Vinjay is one of the few docs with a national platform who has been willing to re-examine his views. So I am thankful due this debate. I’m sure RFK is very familiar with the Indian experience but must speak re the data.
Sadly there are many clinicians in the US who still think ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine have not benefits for covid.... they follow whatever the cdc says . Many not even recommending vitamin D or zinc . In the beginning of plandemic patients were told to stay home for 2 weeks , take Tylenol then come back to hospital if worsen .... no supplements, vitamins were advised for early outpatient treatment
Who wins are the people using these substance and other natural goodies who have survived. The losers always have a higher risk of death when relying on other big pharma drugs and the medical mafia.
This is the debate that should have happened in 2020 if we had a functioning democracy. The fact that it didn’t happen is reason enough to burn DC down it needs to be defunded there is only one way to kill the bureaucratic monster that lied to us and that’s to starve it if funds. Have Mr Kennedy make that pledge and he will have my vote.
I'll back up another step: how about if we had a functioning MEDICAL system! governments, under ANY system (supposedly democratic or not,) have NO business in health care and/or medical decisions of individuals in the first place. but alas, where there's $$$, the disingenuous come out with heavy handed bullshit and all pretext of actual science & good medical practice goes out the window.
I turned him off the minute he dissed IVM and HQ
Prasad is institutionalized. He’s a member of the San Francisco institutional medicine community both associated with killing institutions AKA as hospitals and indoctrination centers, formerly known as institutions of higher learning or universities.
His credentials compared to RFK Jr. - author of “The Real Anthony Fauci” - leave little doubt as to who would win the debate even before it started.
yup. that's why none of these loud-mouth, self-described 'experts' will even consider an open, real time debate.
These “experts “are getting bennies for influencing public opinion.. it’s a large well funded psych op.. the elites understand the power of the media in that it is believed by many people to be the truth.. I heard it on the news........ did you hear the panic in Chelsea Clinton’s message about people not believing the science because of misinformation during the plandemic.. it appears people are not rushing out to jab themselves or their children.. that’s a problem for these evil plotters of the NWO.
yeah, her and her misinfo anxiety are marching all the way to the bank, I'm sure ;)
I don't know why I thought I would hear anything other than obfuscation from Prasad. And that's what I heard. Regarding RFK's argument about how the prevalence of autoimmune disease after 1989 has to be associated with the vaccine schedule, Prasad said, with careful thought: "The Berlin Wall also came down during that period." Interesting choice of metaphor for a person who's retort to grounded claims challenging the standard narrative is, itself, so walled in.
The Berlin Wall comment made me giggle. Is this the best rebuttal he could come up with? I guess the answer is yes—and that reveals the weakness of his argument.
Pradad parodied himself with that one. Giggle is the appropriate response!
Wow. Just wow. I honestly thought Prasad was more evolved than that. He has a LOT to learn (or rather unlearn).
I think Prasad is full of crap. Plus, could someone please tell him to stop sticking his tongue out and licking his lips? I can’t even watch him.
I thought a lot of his ‘arguments’ were specious, irrelevant, and gaslighting.
FWIW my internal radar lit up when Prasad entered the conversation; after listening to him for awhile I stopped.
I am so glad RFK responded to Prasad's assertion (which he has been banging on about for a long time for some reason). I wonder if Prasad is under the impression that he is the only medical school professor who can read a study, because that is his schtick, that people can't analyze studies. Yet as you know, a number of famous and well-regarded medical school professors DO believe the evidence shows IVM and HCQ are very effective.
probably just a shill ... covid was never a risk ...
Paid shill? Seriously?
Prasad is wrong to dismiss out of hand the clinical experience and observations of physicians that have treated hundreds, even thousands of covid patients with IVM or HCQ.
This is exactly how I feel.
Dr Prasad did not come back - victory by knock out?
Amazing, the instinct for self-preservation of these vaxxaholics!
Had they in early 2020 displayed the same level of conscience towards the then known mRNA-caused adverse events and lethality, rather than sucking at the teat of institutional manna, the scamdemic would NEVER have taken place, and Covid would have been relegated the same early, uneventful death as all the other flu variations that pop up during the winter months.
Wow, so glad to see a challenge mounted to Vinay's obsession with RCTs that were so obviously manipulated! He bows down to RCTs as if to a religion, and then claims to be science-based. Surely he knows you can design an RCT to prove whatever you set out to.
We all win when we are allowed to hear and consider differing substantive opinions in medicine. If you get 5 surgeons in a room, you will get 7 different opinions, because a few will change their mind!
This is of course even more true for a democracy. That we are having debates about whether to debate is a sign of the sickness in our society. RFK appears to correctly understand he must first educate, which means gong on many different platforms.
Personally, I would love to see a Lincoln Douglas between him and Vivek. Might even pay...
As usual, RFK Jr is very specific in his facts, no generalizations, and above all, he is honest and challenges to find errors.
it looks like ivermectin can treat much more than covid .......... a lot of illness/disease is caused by various parasites in various parts of the human body..... viruses are a parasite?? apparently............. I bought 3-4 books of Dr. Hulda Clark research / books from 1990s and 2000s at drclarkstore.com. Very detailed, many case studies, etc. Current researcher ........ using studies from around the world........ posted on NIH public site.............. https://floridasharkman.org/protocol/protocol/