There is no genocide in this conflict. There is HAMAS' goal of killing all the Jews to make way for "from the River to the Sea" Islamist's dream.
HAMAS needs to be eliminated. Their cowardly fighters came in and committed atrocities with glee. Then they ran back and hid amongst so-called civilians, few of which were evident as they spat and beat the poor hostage in the back of a pickup truck in Gaza City, who was probably already dead or with a serious TBI at the time.
All civilian deaths are on HAMAS. Israel needs to kill every fighter and their "leaders' hiding elsewhere. Now when the cowards show their faces they surrender. Let them come out and surrender to save the so-called civilians, who they don't give a rat's ass about.
One quibble. Hamas has targeted Israel because it is the land of the Jews. Therefore, it Hamas and their sponsor Iran that are conducting a genocidal war. Defending one’s self against an attacker is not by definition genocide.
Interesting. I notice Jew haters often assume someone arguing for anything pro-Israel, or pro-Jewish for that matter, is assumed to be a Jew themselves. You did that here. Are you a Jew hater? You want to weigh in on the debunked nonsense about Jews in Israel are not Jews?
My main source of information about Israel is from Jewish people of conscious. Many of whom are former Zionists. Your erroneous assumption that we who oppose the evils of Zionism are “Jew haters” is typical of paid Israeli shills. I have never blamed all Jewish people for the crimes of the Zionist Israeli government and its apologists. I’m fully aware that the vast majority of Zionists are not Jewish.
I'll be happy to debate with you up to the point where you blatantly misstate what I write, ignore the facts or start name calling. The facts in this matter are clear; Jews share genetics, Palestinians do not.
Genocide is murder based on genetics. Self-defense is also self-defined.
A new study reveals: the genetic structure of Jews and Arabs is almost identical The Hebrew University
"Two thirds of the Arabs in Israel and the territories and a similar proportion of Jews - are descendants of at least three ancestors who lived in the Middle East during the Late Stone Age, about 8,000 years ago. This is according to a new study carried out by an international team of researchers led by Prof. Ariela Oppenheim from the Hebrew and Hadassah University."
Your inability to recognize obvious genocide doesn't prevent us from recognizing that you believe everything that you were taught in the public fool system that is reinforced by the trash you watch on television.
The current definition of Genocide is set out in Article II of the Genocide Convention:
Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Well, that certainly applies to HAMAS' intentions. It does not in any way, apply to Israel's response to the October 7th atrocities, or any other time in the Middle East conflict. Any deaths of non-combatants, and I use this term inappropriately when discussing the Gaza Arabs, especially after seeing random participants beating an unconscious German woman in the streets as she was paraded in the back of a truck like a trophy, are all the responsibility of HAMAS. They snuck into Israel, murdered, raped, mutilated, and returned to hide among women and children.
Coram, cowards entered Israel. Murder randomly. Run back to Gaza and hide in tunnels, under schools, etc. The deaths of anyone who are not fighters is on them. And you saying no to killing all the Jews in Israel is not genocide makes you another little Himmler.
Oxford says that genocide is "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group."
Netenyahu chose HAMAS to administrate Gaza. Now Netenyahu created a False Flag using Hamas. You have a lot of history to learn about Zionism and how it was sponsored by the British Empire via Rothschild's Balfour Declaration. The oligarchs are cashing-in on the Gaza Strip waterfront for Israeli settlers. This was a big part of the evil agenda all along. - https://newsparadigm.substack.com/p/netenyahu-planned-false-flag-hamas
They were promoted by Bibi because he wanted to weaken PLO. He funded Hamas. You can listen to him saying “if you wanted to prevent a Palestinian state, you would fund Hamas. “
Don’t put your words on my mouth. It is documented Bibi has supported Hamas. And they were elected. But so what? Are you claiming that since some people voted for Hamas years ago it is OK to commit genocide against babies today? Don’t you comprehend that this position justifies Hamas killing Israeli civilians?
I was raised believing in Zionism. I learned the truth about Israel from reading and watching interviews of Israelis. There is a documentary about the Nakba, where men who participated brag about murdering and raping Palestinians, wiping out entire villages. Interviews from former IDF soldiers telling of the terrorism and barbarism they routinely did to Palestinians. I saw a troubling documentary by Abby Martin doing interviews of Israelis on the streets and how they brazenly said all Palestinians should be killed. I realized I was wrong about Israel. I am ashamed I didn’t do anything to help Palestinians once I knew this, other than tell the the truth. My heart breaks for them.
When I was a stupid teenager, I believed the lies and actually wanted to go live on a kibbutz!
Unfortunately for the zio-nazi's, their evil was too great to contain all their lies and the truth eventually came out for those with eyes and a functioning brain.
PS My brother-in-law is a very strong Evangelical Christian, and the BS that man believes is so absurd that it would be funny, if the consequence of that nonsense were not so serious.
I prefer the truth over lies and fake history written by historical and hysterical liars.
Read "The Thirteenth Tribe", by Arthur Koestler (a Jew, by the way) and don't tell me that AshkeNazi jews are actually Semites and have some kind of "right to return" to a land that their real Eastern European "ancestors" never owned.
Oh. I was waiting for this. No knowledge of genetics, but willing to weigh in on the Khazar canard. I hesitate to even stoop to this absurdity. As a result of the diaspora, Jews mingled all over the world they traveled. While they might have intermarried with folks on the Asian Steppes, or the Black Sea, they are not all of a sudden not Jewish. Of course they are not pure ancient Hebrew. But neither is anyone else pure anything. Read some anthropology. As far as the Khazar nonsense goes check the links, but I'm sorry, nothing here is from the Workers' Daily, or the Protocols of the Elders of Zion:
Genocide of who ? Terrorists ? I should hope so!! I wander how you would look at it, if your babies are decapitated, your mother, daughter, wife are gang raped and mutilated! And also not by Hamas but by “peaceful Palestinians”.. GtFOH, spare me.. UN is useless, needs to be dismantled. Let Israel do their job and finish them .. for your sake too
Yeah, sure. No reasons whatsoever for Hamas to attack poor 'lil ol' Israel, is there? Treated Gaza real well, wouldn't hurt a fly. Gave Gaza the shirts off their backs, no thanks in return. According to some, Israel got a real raw deal, wouldn't you say?
They left Gaza in n 2005.. completely let them have all that they built.. oasis. What did they do? Destroyed it, elected Hamas.. they don’t want to live normally, they are barbarians and savages! No innocents! All they want is murder, destruction!
Israel might have left Gaza, but they stilled controlled almost every aspect of what went in or out of Gaza including putting them on a strict diet that didn’t meet their dietary needs.
There is no Hamas in the West Bank and yet Israeli settlers have been stealing the land and demolishing their homes. This current war didn’t start on October 7, but October 2 when Israeli settlers took over the Al Asqa mosque.
You seem to be very uninformed about this history going back to 1948.
Why did they do that, Sam? And why did Egypt enforce the same embargo?
Does it have anything to do with the tunnel system they have been building with aid money, to make raids into Israel? With the water system HAMAS has been dismantling to make pipe bombs?
The land from the river to the sea, as the terrorist supporters like to say, is Judea. It's all Jewish land. The Arabs are the occupiers. The 1948 creation was shy of the mark. And of course, it was the Arabs who waged an illegal war against the new state.
I’m sure that you have heard of the IMF and how it keeps countries inline. Then there’s the power of the US government to also pressure countries to do what it tells them.
But are you aware that both Israel and America gives money to Hamas? This was Netanyahu's idea and he said it recently in 2019. If you want to learn more about Israel’s history and its war and genocide on the Palestinians you can start with this article by Chris Hedges.
This is one of his best and there are many more on his website. Or you can just continue to believe you falsehoods and make nonsense comments like you have. Can you imagine if the Zionists decided that a state in America should be where they live and they started killing people and destroying their homes to move them out? That was what happened in 1948.
No, that's not what happened in 1948. And you know it. As I mentioned elsewhere, I have read a significant amount of history; a great place to start was British author Paul Johnson's detailed works' Modern Times, and of course the definitive history of the Jewish people, The History of the Jews.
The suggestion that Israel has given money to Hamas does not suggest anything other than they have been trying to buy peace with these barbarians for decades--like handing over Gaza--a huge mistake. The US giving money to Hamas is just a waste of capital resources.
But thousands of Hamas terrorists are taking a dirt nap now. And thousands more will join them. Those of us in Western nations need to keep a weather eye on their sympathizers. As has been predicted, they will attempt blood shed. But always on defenseless people trying to go about their lives. Never on the battlefield. They are cowards. And the Leftist Western lunatics who have no idea of the real history behave as useful idiots.
Great post, Sam. More $$ for the IDF fund with each distorted view of reality you and others here provide. And the money doesn't go to but them a pizza. It contributes to getting them the latest in body armor. Cheers.
You're the uninformed. The west bank is like 85% Arabs, and 15% Jews. There is no stealing land and demolishing homes. The blockade of Gaza is to prevent weapons and war material to go there, well as you can see, the blockade was ineffective.
Israel kicked out the illegal settlers so that that they could ethnically cleans Gaza FULLY without too much blow back from the fascist interlopers, er, citizens of ersatz Israel.
How exactly are they “ethnically cleansed” if their population grew by 2 mil.. lol, thats the opposite of so called “genocide. The only genocide is what they want to do to Israel (Jews, Christians, Muslims included)
What country? Here’s a little lesson for you. It was a British mandate, and before that it was under the Ottoman Empire rule. Jews have lived there for thousands of years. They are the indigenous people. Most who call themselves Palestinians now are descendants of Jordanians and Egyptians who moved there in early 20th century for economic opportunities when the land was under British mandate.
In honor of all your nonsense comments, I'm making another donation to the IDF. Every time I hear the crazy stuff you folks come up with, I put more cash in the fund. I have a friend who's brother lives in Israel and donations go to him to positively impact soldiers, like pitching in for body armor. For those of you without that connection, that somehow find fault with Islamic atrocity, here is a guide to donating to the IDF:https://www.jpost.com/special-content/the-10-best-sites-to-donate-to-the-idf-in-2023-773229
By your "logic", Hamas and its future progenitors (and there will be as long as the people of Palestine are kept in limbo) can justify killing all jews.
"So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." Matthew 7:12
Israel is going nowhere. The Arabs could have made peace time and time again. They don't want peace. They want true genocide. And Israel has tried to do do unto others repeatedly, only to have sneak attacks, be rebuffed from negotiations, and now, Oct 7th, a group of crazed cowards enter and rape and butcher women and babies.
And there are no "people of Palestine" Just random Arabs who should have been absorbed into the Arab nations after the Arab League lost in 1948, and every subsequent war. Why were they not? This is about the sick fetish Arabs have with thinking once they so much as defecated on a bit of ground as they passed by raping and pillaging, they should own it ad infinitum. Another $3 went into to my IDF fund for your thankfully brief but inane comment.
Name one instance of the "conventional" means used by Arabs to dispel the illegal invaders of their land. JUST ONE! I'll wait! :))
Still waiting.........oh, I see now!
The "violence" and non-existent "terriorism" on the part of the Arab residents was just too discreet for the evil zionists,/ so they were "forced" (they REALLY didn't want to!), to jack up the violence by a thousand fold.
The Arabs MADE them create the massacre of Deir Yassin and bomb the King Davis Hotel. ****rolls eyes***
The court is an agency of the UN which is of grave concern.
The Zionists however defined, are clearly not the cause of the problem, as far as I can see from the facts divorced of the propaganda and unfounded ethnic hostilities.
I recently saw a video of "Palestinians" driving cars in England (London I think), waving flags and shouting the most violent, hateful things against Israelis.
Do Israelis conduct themselves like this anywhere?
If I had been the one in London with unlimited power to act, those "Palestinians" would have been arrested and deported, along with their supporters.
I am not claiming that all Arabs or Jews are devils or angels.
I am frankly troubled by those who do.
People who are closed to any input, other than their own, are the those who enable holocausts.
Closed minded people, who believed the lies and refused to receive any other input regardless, are the ones who enabled the covid crisis.
Turning on innocent fellow citizens, supporting media vilification, persecution and police brutality without any just cause, reveals a person's character.
That was respectful. What is disrespectful is deliberately misunderstanding the reality that Israel is committing genocide. They aren’t even trying to hide it. Be respectful of the people of Gaza and call them out for this heinous crime.
We need to find an international lawyer smart enough to evict the UN for their mountain of unpaid parking tickets and turn their building into the replacement for Ellis Island that became a tourist trap.
Hypocrisy on steroids by ethic-cleansing South Africa.
Just visit this X account to see how State-sponsored racism+communism in South Africa have turned a prosperous country into a society collapsing from murder, rape, savage brutality and theft.
Not everyone is accepting your assertion that the IDF’s pursuit of Hamas into their bunkers below the civilian population of Gaza, who one could believably assert are being used as (oftentimes, if not usually) unwilling human shields (were there not reports of Hamas shooting at fleeing Gazan civilians to keep them where they could be used as human shields).
Try to use less loaded language or at least put the qualifier alleged’ in your phrasing.
You or anyone else saying it is so doesn’t automatically make it so.
You would have stopped the allies from bombing or invading Germany in WWII because of civilian casualties; similarly you would have kept the US from bombing Japan in WWII, in spite of the rape of Nanking, their atrocities in the Philippines and brutalization of captured US nurses. You have been brainwashed, totally blue pilled.
You don’t realize that you blonde pussy would be one of the first that these 6-7th century barbarians would rape should you fall into their hands, & they would as soon use you as a human shield over their own people.
Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy utilized by those who know they can’t to refute the facts. And you don’t get to tell me what to do, you arrogant misogynistic ass. I’ll ride as high a horse as I damn well please.
Actually, it was Apartheid in SA, and bad as it was it doesn’t come close to the evil the Israelis have been inflicting on the Palestinian people since before Israel was imposed on them. The current SA government is not the one that practiced Apartheid, by the way. Maybe you should read a little more.
That is a bald faced lie. Historically, Jews were safer in Arab lands than in Europe. Why do you think the fled there during the Pogroms? But again, even if it had been true, genocide is wrong. It is the ultimate evil only the vilest would ever consider. Nothing you can ever say will justify the death of a single baby.
Not until they started slaughtering the Palestinians. Your narcissism precludes your ever asking what the Israelis have done and are doing to engender so much hatred. Much easier to pretend you are the innocent victim then to face reality.
They were treated as Dhimmis, throughout history. In 1948, when the Arab League attacked, they were murdered, driven out and had all their property confiscated in all Arab lands. This is basic history.
Israel’s collective punishment of Gaza is justification for the Hamas raid. All the claims that there are no innocent in Gaza means logically there are no innocents in Israel.
Hypocrisy is attempting to obfuscate the crimes of Israel by diverting attention away from the genocide it is currently carrying out with the full support of Israeli people and their Zionist supporters here.
You would think that a country filing a suit about genocide would be a country that isn't actively committing genocide. South Africa is committing genocide against white farmers and the land being taken by blacks who are unable to actually use the land to produce food. It is one of those things, be careful what you ask for, you just may get it. When SA is experiencing a famine because they are unable to produce enough food for their population because they displaced the white farmers, you can be sure Israel will not be on the list of those providing aid in the form of food. In reality, no country should be on the list, it is the whole "Reap what you sow" thing.
This is insanity. Taking Israel to court for genocide is morally corrupt and a disgrace and insult to all the Jews and Israelis that have been murdered and savaged throughout the centuries by Muslims. To support this is to be completely ignorant of all that Israel has done for the Arabs, Christian and Muslim, in Israel and areas occupied by the Arabs. It is to be ignorant of history. Supporting this lie is supporting the PLO and Hamas. Ask the majority of Israeli Arabs whether they want to remain in Israel or move to "Palestinian" governed areas. Oh, they have. The majority voted to stay in Israel where they have freedom of thought and speech, education, and all the rights of all Israelis. How can so-called intelligent people not know this? The Gazans and Muslims living in Judea and Samaria have been polled asking if they support Hamas. The majority average Gazan citizen, and those in Judea and Samaria, voted in support of Hamas. Young children and women followed the savages into the attacked kibbutzim. They revealed to the barbarians where Israelis were hiding. They sat in their kitchens and living rooms. They ate their food and they stole their money and credit cards along with their possessions.. All documented. Israelis have given medical care to the Muslims, including the butcher Sinwar ,whose life Israeli doctors saved when removing a brain tumor. What about all the Gazans Israeli pro-peace kibbutzniks picked up at the border fence and drove to Israeli hospitals?for medical care and life-saving operations? I wonder how those who invited Gazans into their homes, gave their children birthday parties, and befriended, think now? I wonder how they feel now after being mutilated and burned to the point of non-recognition? I wonder how the murdered parents of the baby roasted in an oven felt? I wonder how the peace-loving women felt as they were raped and simultaneously mutilated felt? The genocidal "From the river to the sea" belongs to the Muslims. Wake up.
“From the river to the see” was coined by Zionist Likud party, and co-opted by Palestinians. The lies that have poured out of the Israelis nonstop about everything that happened on, before, and after October 7th should be enough to inform you they are desperately trying to hide what they are doing, but thanks to the internet, the entire world can plainly see the truth.
40 beheaded babies, mass rapes, burned bodies, (this was done by IDF) The body count all attributed to Hamas when many were murdered by IDF tanks and helicopters using weapons Hamas didn’t have, baby baked in oven, Hamas command center in Al Shifa hospital, no Christians in Gaza. All of these have been repeatedly claimed by officials of Israeli government and all have been thoroughly debunked. When you are doing the right thing, you don’t make up lies to justify it.
This was filmed by Hamas killers. They were laughing about it. Please. Return to Harvard or where ever you have been brainwashed to accept atrocities against Jews.
"Operation Himmler, also called Operation Konserve, consisted of a group of 1939 false flag undertakings planned by Nazi Germany to give the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany. The Germans then used propaganda reports of the events to justify their invasion of Poland, which started on 1 September 1939. Operation Himmler included the Germans staging false attacks on themselves—directed at innocent people, such as civilians and concentration camp prisoners. The operation arguably became the first act of the Second World War in Europe.[1]"
Duane, as a Paul Ryan/John McCain/Mitt Romney/Lindsey Graham faction Republican, it's important for you to keep in mind that you may be a little gullible or credulous. Remember when COLON.Powell stood up in the UN and showed the photographic evidence of Saddam's WMDs? I didn'tfall for the BS for a nanosecond. However, remember your reaction, if you haven't memory holed it and confabulated a fantasy to replace your memory of what happened? Remember how you swallowed what COLON and Dubya were saying, hook, line and sinker? None of us really knows how much of what we're being told about what Hamas did is true and how much is US-style propaganda.
I'm the polar opposite of that cabal of rhinos. I remember the UN presentation. Powell fell for it along with the UN. Then I thought it was the height of stupidity to engage in the rushed invasion. A better approach would be strike back hard if WMD are used, like Obama should have done when Assad gassed the Syrians, the "Red Line"
He calls Gaza an open air prison, he says Jews steal land in the west bank. The west bank is owned by Israel. 85% of the west bank are Palestinians, only 15% are Jews. Here's an article on Gaza
Wow, the author is so uniformed. Supposedly a Jew, wanting to protect Jews, yet can't understand why there is apartheid. Could the hundreds of suicide bombers, knife attacks, gun shots victims have anything to do with having a border wall? Then he doesn't understand the "violence". 12,000 rockets fired into Israel, and he can't comprehend why Israel defends itself?
Since Palestinians fire over 12,000 rockets into Israel, have sent suicide bombers, have conducted knife attacks, shot Israeli's including American tourists, no wonder they have a border wall, no wonder Israeli's have a negative view of Palestinians.
Yes, let’s look at all the Israelis killed by the “rockets” Hamas has fired. Vs. the Palestinians killed by Israelis before the current genocide. The scale is very lopsided on Israelis killing many times more, and you know it.
Please, so Israeli text books have an "anti-Palestinian bias" that takes a grievance studies major to see. Palestinian textbooks literally say "kill the Jews".
They are definitely war criminals. They are also complicit in genocide in both Yemen and Gaza. But Netanyahu’s government are the ones carrying out the actual massacres and wanton destruction. I shudder to think what will rain down on Israeli’s for this.
Over 500,000 killed in Syria, 380,000 killed in Yemen, 240,000 killed in Afghanistan, 500 000 killed in Sudan, 300,000 killed in Iraq and all South Africa cares about is Gaza???? And where was South Africa when millions of dollars in humanitarian aid was used instead for the terror tunnels. Did they care about Gazans then?
Based on what evidence? Couldn’t it be retribution for Israel’s support of the former apartheid government? Or that their people can identify with the Palestinians? I’m just glad someone is doing something.
Israel has bent over backwards for years to achieve peace in the region. They gave back the entire Sinai Peninsula to Egypt, they allowed the Palestinians to occupy the west bank that Israel owned, they completely left Gaza in 2005, they offered a independent state to the Palestinians in 8 or 9 deals. It's always the Muslims attacking Israel, no matter how much they do or give away.
Lies. Norman Finkelstein has written extensively utterly debunking this laughable claim. But it is irrelevant, because even if Israel had been totally in the right before now, this genocide proves they are now utterly, irrevocably, evil.
More lies. How dare you! His entire extended family died in Nazi extermination camps with the exception of his parents. He is anti- Zionist not anti semite. He doesn’t ask you to believe him, he presents documented evidence of facts.
From before it was recognized as the modern state of Israel. Zionism is a racial supremest philosophy that justifies covetousness,theft, murder, rape and lies, pretty much violates all Ten Commandments, so ironic that the Christian Zionists blindly support even genocide if Israel does it.
I do not agree with ANY genocide. However, the biggest genocide in history is occurring now via the actions of the NWO/UN/WHO/BG/ etc. Actually, it consists of DEMOCIDE. We need to dismantle the UN and the WHO and look at our state and federal laws to rid them of the laws that are making the scamdemic/democide legal though not lawful.
But South Africa is not trying to take Hamas to court - b/c clearly everything Hamas did to Israeli Jews and Arabs and international people on Oct 7th, and in particular, over the years (and still - where do you think your "humanitarian aid" in going), to the Gazans, was "just fine." After all, beheading, mutilating, raping, burning, parading bleeding bodies, taking innocent hostages - including a 9 month old - that's what we all do in the nam of fredom.
Absolutely. Those IDF soldiers that blew the heads off Palestinian kids and laughed bigtime were perfectly within their rights. Only fair. Even Sephardim in Israel are treated lousy, never mind Islamists and Christians. Israel sounds like a great place to live, have children, and teach 'em to murder them furriners who stole the land from the rightful that purloined and butchered their way to take over land rightfully property of the native Palestinians. "It's our land, we stole it sayeth the Israeli ingrates".
You need to read the article again. They are calling for war crimes charges for Hamas. But you can list bad deeds by others till tge day you die and it will never erase the fact that Israel is slaughtering innocent women and children and other civilians, bombing hospitals, Christian churches, mosques, murdering journalists and teachers and doctors and innocent animals, all of which are completely and utterly immoral and inexcusable. The blood of innocents is on their hands. All decent people of the world are appalled. The entire world will hate you for this.
Thank you for posting this. The constant killing, displacing, humiliation, deprivation of basic needs, denying of sovereignty, occupation of Palestinians has got to stop.
As much as I like and respect Jeremy Hammond, it is not possible to praise his knowledge of Israeli—Zionist history and I would be careful about vetting his reporting and analyses. I downloaded his collection of essays and quote from the very first one “The Simplicity of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict” Originally published at the Palestine Chronicle, May 24, 2010
“Contrary to popular myth, Israel was not created by the U.N. Israel
was born on May 14, 1948, when the Zionist leadership unilaterally
declared its existence. The neighboring Arab states took up arms against
the newly declared state in the war known to Israelis as the “War of
Independence” and to the Arabs as the “Nakba”, or “Catastrophe”.
During the war, 700,000 Arabs were either driven from their homes or
fled out of fear of further massacres such as had occurred at the village
of Deir Yassin shortly prior to the Zionist declaration.”
This makes it seem as though the Arabs took up arms against Israel because it declared itself an independent state, and thus The Nakba that followed in the wake of their defeat. This is what Israeli propaganda wants you to believe. In fact, the Nakba had begun long before Israel’s declaration of independence and its success had paved the way for this declaration. See any book with a real grip of history from the polemical Ralph Schoenmann’s “The Hidden History of Zionism” to the scholarly Ilan Pappe’s “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.” The infamous Deir Yassin massacre (read Schoenmann’s account), to which the Zionists pointed with emblematic pride as forcing all the Arabs to flee, occurred April 9, 1948.
A nation founded by atheist terrorists claiming God gave them the land is ludicrous. Regardless of what has gone before, nothing can ever justify the treatment of the Palestinians by Israelis. And this current genocide reveals to the world the true nature of Zionists. Only the corrupt governments of the US and its allies could ever condone this. But make no mistake, the American people abhor it, and we will never forget.
Do the American people abhor their unjustified, overt and covert, military and intelligence interventions in a string of nations, causing unbelievable amounts of suffering and death to untold numbers of innocent civilians?
Only if we are omniscient and have all the facts, can we hope to be able to rightly judge a situation.
The world is a BIG jigsaw puzzle.
If we only have part of the puzzle put together, we can have a totally mistaken idea of what the whole picture looks like.
Same with the Israeli/Arab conflict.
I accidentally came across a video recently, where two alternative commentators were kicking a geopolitical ball around, and I realised that they were right on top of the plays on the board, like skilled chess players analysing the moves, while I was only an observer, who didn't even really know the rules or even begin to understand the plays.
Only if we are omniscient and have all the facts, can we hope to be able to rightly judge a situation. >> This is wrong on its face, isn't it? We must be both omniscient and know all the (relevant) before we judge rightly. This would lead to political and intellectual paralysis. I pointed out a fundamental error of fact from a Hammond essay and suggested going cautiously before embracing what he said. It would not be surprising if--thirteen years later--he got the current genocide and its current legal status exactly right. With all due respect your remark is both mistaken and off point. If Meryl took your advice she would have done and concluded far far far less than she has.
My point is simply, that we cannot be dogmatic about our conclusions, if we do not have all the facts.
Even if we did all have all the known facts, we could still end up polarised, based upon our interpretation of the facts.
We can only draw our conclusions from the facts we have integrated.
This forum is a case on point - basically polarised opinion.
Either the facts are different, incomplete, or the interpretation is just different.
I am not advocating doing nothing until we have all the facts.
I am saying that we cannot be sure of our conclusions, if we do not have all the facts.
Meryl is fine - she knows how to fly with the facts she has on board, while remaining wisely open to any new information, that might change her conclusions and necessitate course corrections.
We have all the facts we need to conclude that Israel is committing a genocide. You can play word games and tie your brain in complicated knots, but nothing you can conclude will change the facts. If your morality is such that anything justifies this, you are a sorry excuse for a human being.
You denigrate all of humanity by refusing to see the genocide being perpetrated on Gaza. How would you feel if the world all just denied the Nazi Holocaust? Is it only a Holocaust if it happens to Jews?
Long winded of way of saying “It’s complicated”. It isn’t. It is the most evil and brutal genocide. I was taught in school two wrongs don’t make a right.
One has to wonder why these books are so heavily censored by Amazon. The Zionist started recruiting Jews to move to the area in the 1920s, at first they purchased land - then they just took it. So what did the area of Palestine look like in 1910? 96 % of the population was Muslims and Christians (which owned 99% of the land) and 4% were Jews. They lived in peace and were as advanced as those in the US or Europe. This video the Mystery of Israel - explains much https://stopworldcontrol.com/israel/ - but I wonder how long it will be available.
Much of what they “purchased” was from far off people who never lived on it. It was given to them by some conquering government or other. But the families living there had been working that land for many generations.
Thank you for this post. Jews and arabs and their non-Christian religions and disputes are not really my cup of tea and are not ordinarily of much interest to me. Although I was aware that Israel had supervised the Lebanese Christians when they carried out the Sabre and Shatila massacre in 1982, during which their victims were mutilated and had their genitalia stuffed in the mouths of their corpses, I did not have specfic knowlege of other Israeli-perpetrated atrocities. Only recently did I learn about the Tantura massacre and the eyewitness and archaelogical evidence of Israel having perpetrated mass murder during it. Alleged Israeli perpetrators appear to have confessed to committing rape of young girls during it. I knew nothing of the Deir Yassin massacre. I am thankful to you that I am now aware of it. The attack by Hamas on the Nova dance festival shocked me. The subsequently reported claim that it might have been, at least in part, a false flag operation by the Israelis also shocked me. However, people have pointed out that the German Nazis behaved in a similar mannet to what the Israelis are accused of. Are you aware of Operation Himmler?
"Operation Himmler, also called Operation Konserve, consisted of a group of 1939 false flag undertakings planned by Nazi Germany to give the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany. The Germans then used propaganda reports of the events to justify their invasion of Poland, which started on 1 September 1939. Operation Himmler included the Germans staging false attacks on themselves—directed at innocent people, such as civilians and concentration camp prisoners. The operation arguably became the first act of the Second World War in Europe.[1]"
It would be great if all the of the members of the UN that got snubbed by the UN security council veto by the US jumped onto this as co-plaintiffs, or whatever they are called.
There is no genocide in this conflict. There is HAMAS' goal of killing all the Jews to make way for "from the River to the Sea" Islamist's dream.
HAMAS needs to be eliminated. Their cowardly fighters came in and committed atrocities with glee. Then they ran back and hid amongst so-called civilians, few of which were evident as they spat and beat the poor hostage in the back of a pickup truck in Gaza City, who was probably already dead or with a serious TBI at the time.
All civilian deaths are on HAMAS. Israel needs to kill every fighter and their "leaders' hiding elsewhere. Now when the cowards show their faces they surrender. Let them come out and surrender to save the so-called civilians, who they don't give a rat's ass about.
One quibble. Hamas has targeted Israel because it is the land of the Jews. Therefore, it Hamas and their sponsor Iran that are conducting a genocidal war. Defending one’s self against an attacker is not by definition genocide.
It's Genocide.
No it’s not. Murdering Jews just because they’re Jews is genocide—by definition. Self-defense is precisely that and nothing more.
Ah, so its only genocide when it happens to you? What a prime example of a narcissist sociopath.
Interesting. I notice Jew haters often assume someone arguing for anything pro-Israel, or pro-Jewish for that matter, is assumed to be a Jew themselves. You did that here. Are you a Jew hater? You want to weigh in on the debunked nonsense about Jews in Israel are not Jews?
My main source of information about Israel is from Jewish people of conscious. Many of whom are former Zionists. Your erroneous assumption that we who oppose the evils of Zionism are “Jew haters” is typical of paid Israeli shills. I have never blamed all Jewish people for the crimes of the Zionist Israeli government and its apologists. I’m fully aware that the vast majority of Zionists are not Jewish.
I'll be happy to debate with you up to the point where you blatantly misstate what I write, ignore the facts or start name calling. The facts in this matter are clear; Jews share genetics, Palestinians do not.
Genocide is murder based on genetics. Self-defense is also self-defined.
Really? You actually wrote that?
You are a prime example of a pegpuff, twattling away as if your opinion was anything other than ultracrepidarian nonsense...
Stupid people will believe anything they learn in Godless Lib's school! Right? Thanks for the demo. Dave et-al!
It’s genocide.
...no it isn't
Yeah it is.
People who have facts that refute your dogma are not the stupid ones.
Did you take your Covid booster?
Next stupid and irrelevant question please!
What race is a Palestinian?
A new study reveals: the genetic structure of Jews and Arabs is almost identical The Hebrew University
"Two thirds of the Arabs in Israel and the territories and a similar proportion of Jews - are descendants of at least three ancestors who lived in the Middle East during the Late Stone Age, about 8,000 years ago. This is according to a new study carried out by an international team of researchers led by Prof. Ariela Oppenheim from the Hebrew and Hadassah University."
https://hayadan.com/jews-and-arabs-similar-genetics-221100
They belong to the Human Race, same a Jesus, who originated from the same area. Ever heard of him?
Semitic Caucasoid.
...drivel
Your inability to recognize obvious genocide doesn't prevent us from recognizing that you believe everything that you were taught in the public fool system that is reinforced by the trash you watch on television.
'Define genocide. On second thought don't bother.
DEFINITION OF GENOCIDE IN THE CONVENTION:
The current definition of Genocide is set out in Article II of the Genocide Convention:
Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Well, that certainly applies to HAMAS' intentions. It does not in any way, apply to Israel's response to the October 7th atrocities, or any other time in the Middle East conflict. Any deaths of non-combatants, and I use this term inappropriately when discussing the Gaza Arabs, especially after seeing random participants beating an unconscious German woman in the streets as she was paraded in the back of a truck like a trophy, are all the responsibility of HAMAS. They snuck into Israel, murdered, raped, mutilated, and returned to hide among women and children.
Your intellectual dishonesty is astounding.
...your general ignorance and dishonesty is astounding.
I'm shocked you can function at all on such a limited intellect.
Then again the limbic system is wonderful...
with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group,
Totally fits HAMAS. However, they are not a group offered protection from HAMASicdal intent
There is an internationally recognized definition and Israel’s actions meet it.
No they don't.
Yes they do
How?
Such a compellingly juvenile response.
That which is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
Driving Jews into the ocean, i.e. Islam's stated goal is a "Definition" of Genocide, isn't it ?
No, but murdering over 20,000 women and children in less than 2 months is.
Hamas deliberately sets up in schools, mosques, hospitals, playgrounds, residential, all to have more civilians killed. Its by their design.
Coram, cowards entered Israel. Murder randomly. Run back to Gaza and hide in tunnels, under schools, etc. The deaths of anyone who are not fighters is on them. And you saying no to killing all the Jews in Israel is not genocide makes you another little Himmler.
Propaganda of Hamas, BS
...the word duplicity was invented for Islamists.
Indeed.
Aside from the fact that it hasn't happened...
Oxford says that genocide is "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group."
UN definition is more detailed. And Israel’s behavior clearly meets it.
....the UN can fuck off, they cannot re-write the dictionary of my language.
Kindly share the UN definition with us.
Scroll up
Already did, earlier in this very thread.
It doesn't matter since it has the US's veto on the security council to protect it.
Can’t protect it from world opinion, though. And that is decidedly against Israel and pro Palestinians.
Netenyahu chose HAMAS to administrate Gaza. Now Netenyahu created a False Flag using Hamas. You have a lot of history to learn about Zionism and how it was sponsored by the British Empire via Rothschild's Balfour Declaration. The oligarchs are cashing-in on the Gaza Strip waterfront for Israeli settlers. This was a big part of the evil agenda all along. - https://newsparadigm.substack.com/p/netenyahu-planned-false-flag-hamas
No. The Palestinians voted for Hamas over the PA.
They were promoted by Bibi because he wanted to weaken PLO. He funded Hamas. You can listen to him saying “if you wanted to prevent a Palestinian state, you would fund Hamas. “
...do you dribble?
Newsflash- both are true.
Really? So how is it that Netanyahu forced the Palestinians to vote for Hamas?
Don’t put your words on my mouth. It is documented Bibi has supported Hamas. And they were elected. But so what? Are you claiming that since some people voted for Hamas years ago it is OK to commit genocide against babies today? Don’t you comprehend that this position justifies Hamas killing Israeli civilians?
You're not making sense OR you're intentionally attributing the acts of Hamas to the IDF. Bad mistake in fact and judgement.
Documented by who? Where? If this is your debate standard then you're in the top 10% for lefty twonks.
I prefer real history, not Marxist smattered nonsense. Read Paul Johnson's Modern Times and History of the Jews.
I was raised believing in Zionism. I learned the truth about Israel from reading and watching interviews of Israelis. There is a documentary about the Nakba, where men who participated brag about murdering and raping Palestinians, wiping out entire villages. Interviews from former IDF soldiers telling of the terrorism and barbarism they routinely did to Palestinians. I saw a troubling documentary by Abby Martin doing interviews of Israelis on the streets and how they brazenly said all Palestinians should be killed. I realized I was wrong about Israel. I am ashamed I didn’t do anything to help Palestinians once I knew this, other than tell the the truth. My heart breaks for them.
Me too, Debbie.
When I was a stupid teenager, I believed the lies and actually wanted to go live on a kibbutz!
Unfortunately for the zio-nazi's, their evil was too great to contain all their lies and the truth eventually came out for those with eyes and a functioning brain.
PS My brother-in-law is a very strong Evangelical Christian, and the BS that man believes is so absurd that it would be funny, if the consequence of that nonsense were not so serious.
Yes, Christian Zionists are the worst! They are also heretics.
...yawn, more drivel
I prefer the truth over lies and fake history written by historical and hysterical liars.
Read "The Thirteenth Tribe", by Arthur Koestler (a Jew, by the way) and don't tell me that AshkeNazi jews are actually Semites and have some kind of "right to return" to a land that their real Eastern European "ancestors" never owned.
> Read "The Thirteenth Tribe", by Arthur Koestler (a Jew, by the way)
Koestler had an interesting theory. With genetic testing, turns out it's largely false.
With due respect, I don't understand what you mean.
Are you saying that genetic testing is not a real, valid measurement for genetic history?
If so, 23 & Me, and all the others have a scientific bone to pick with you, as you are calling them fake.....
> With due respect, I don't understand what you mean.
Genetic testing showed that modern Ashkenazi Jews are maybe 1% Khazar.
Oh. I was waiting for this. No knowledge of genetics, but willing to weigh in on the Khazar canard. I hesitate to even stoop to this absurdity. As a result of the diaspora, Jews mingled all over the world they traveled. While they might have intermarried with folks on the Asian Steppes, or the Black Sea, they are not all of a sudden not Jewish. Of course they are not pure ancient Hebrew. But neither is anyone else pure anything. Read some anthropology. As far as the Khazar nonsense goes check the links, but I'm sorry, nothing here is from the Workers' Daily, or the Protocols of the Elders of Zion:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/06/140626095711.htm
https://forward.com/israel/175912/jews-a-race-genetic-theory-comes-under-fierce-atta/
https://extremismterms.adl.org/glossary/khazars
For a factual history, look up “Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem” by Martyrmade podcast. Very balanced and completely factual.
Thank mighty voice of educated reason. MUCH appreciated Harold.
Thanks, but I struggle to connect ever neuron (:>)
Me too!!! We help each other by using free speech to express what we see as truth.
The residents of Gaza chose Hamas you dullard...
I’ve noticed Zionists very quickly run out of valid arguments and resort to juvenile insults. As if that is a valid argumentation tactic.
When you can demonstrate that you are not a dullard , we will take that under advisement.
Says the lady without valid arguments.
You should read electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-general-killed-israelis-7-october-then-lied-about-it/43176 with as much comprehension as you can muster.
It's Genocide.
Genocide of who ? Terrorists ? I should hope so!! I wander how you would look at it, if your babies are decapitated, your mother, daughter, wife are gang raped and mutilated! And also not by Hamas but by “peaceful Palestinians”.. GtFOH, spare me.. UN is useless, needs to be dismantled. Let Israel do their job and finish them .. for your sake too
Israel was used as Pfizer’s lab courtesy of it’s NAZI government
Israel did 9/11 too https://youtu.be/opu_-S1yPPs?si=rdmwkSwEkGLiGWiF
You are too funny!
Israel pays Hamas
The terrorists are the ones currently bombing and massacring unarmed women and children.
You’re right, they’re called Hamas
Yeah, sure. No reasons whatsoever for Hamas to attack poor 'lil ol' Israel, is there? Treated Gaza real well, wouldn't hurt a fly. Gave Gaza the shirts off their backs, no thanks in return. According to some, Israel got a real raw deal, wouldn't you say?
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They left Gaza in n 2005.. completely let them have all that they built.. oasis. What did they do? Destroyed it, elected Hamas.. they don’t want to live normally, they are barbarians and savages! No innocents! All they want is murder, destruction!
Israel might have left Gaza, but they stilled controlled almost every aspect of what went in or out of Gaza including putting them on a strict diet that didn’t meet their dietary needs.
There is no Hamas in the West Bank and yet Israeli settlers have been stealing the land and demolishing their homes. This current war didn’t start on October 7, but October 2 when Israeli settlers took over the Al Asqa mosque.
You seem to be very uninformed about this history going back to 1948.
Why did they do that, Sam? And why did Egypt enforce the same embargo?
Does it have anything to do with the tunnel system they have been building with aid money, to make raids into Israel? With the water system HAMAS has been dismantling to make pipe bombs?
The land from the river to the sea, as the terrorist supporters like to say, is Judea. It's all Jewish land. The Arabs are the occupiers. The 1948 creation was shy of the mark. And of course, it was the Arabs who waged an illegal war against the new state.
I’m sure that you have heard of the IMF and how it keeps countries inline. Then there’s the power of the US government to also pressure countries to do what it tells them.
But are you aware that both Israel and America gives money to Hamas? This was Netanyahu's idea and he said it recently in 2019. If you want to learn more about Israel’s history and its war and genocide on the Palestinians you can start with this article by Chris Hedges.
https://substack.com/app-link/post?publication_id=778851&post_id=140183849&utm_source=post-email-title&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1o7ey8&token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxMDExMjI5MjgsInBvc3RfaWQiOjE0MDE4Mzg0OSwiaWF0IjoxNzAzODg1ODA0LCJleHAiOjE3MDY0Nzc4MDQsImlzcyI6InB1Yi03Nzg4NTEiLCJzdWIiOiJwb3N0LXJlYWN0aW9uIn0.ZOFUGW49hk1UXBIFHA82tgcD18FoPvJMb-aL1RLH4v8
This is one of his best and there are many more on his website. Or you can just continue to believe you falsehoods and make nonsense comments like you have. Can you imagine if the Zionists decided that a state in America should be where they live and they started killing people and destroying their homes to move them out? That was what happened in 1948.
No, that's not what happened in 1948. And you know it. As I mentioned elsewhere, I have read a significant amount of history; a great place to start was British author Paul Johnson's detailed works' Modern Times, and of course the definitive history of the Jewish people, The History of the Jews.
The suggestion that Israel has given money to Hamas does not suggest anything other than they have been trying to buy peace with these barbarians for decades--like handing over Gaza--a huge mistake. The US giving money to Hamas is just a waste of capital resources.
But thousands of Hamas terrorists are taking a dirt nap now. And thousands more will join them. Those of us in Western nations need to keep a weather eye on their sympathizers. As has been predicted, they will attempt blood shed. But always on defenseless people trying to go about their lives. Never on the battlefield. They are cowards. And the Leftist Western lunatics who have no idea of the real history behave as useful idiots.
Great post, Sam. More $$ for the IDF fund with each distorted view of reality you and others here provide. And the money doesn't go to but them a pizza. It contributes to getting them the latest in body armor. Cheers.
You're the uninformed. The west bank is like 85% Arabs, and 15% Jews. There is no stealing land and demolishing homes. The blockade of Gaza is to prevent weapons and war material to go there, well as you can see, the blockade was ineffective.
Lol…do go on.
Lies. The absolute denial of history is telling. People who are not in the wrong have no need to lie about everything.
So what does that say about your constant lying?
"I know you are , but what am I?"
**Pee Wee Herman**
SMH----that's the best you've got? Pathetic
Israel kicked out the illegal settlers so that that they could ethnically cleans Gaza FULLY without too much blow back from the fascist interlopers, er, citizens of ersatz Israel.
How exactly are they “ethnically cleansed” if their population grew by 2 mil.. lol, thats the opposite of so called “genocide. The only genocide is what they want to do to Israel (Jews, Christians, Muslims included)
Learn some history
Learn some history yourself.
The population "grew" by 2 million!!?? Where, in Gaza, only?
And in what time frame, genius?
From 1948 when their country was stolen from them by people who had NO right to it?
Get a clue....
What country? Here’s a little lesson for you. It was a British mandate, and before that it was under the Ottoman Empire rule. Jews have lived there for thousands of years. They are the indigenous people. Most who call themselves Palestinians now are descendants of Jordanians and Egyptians who moved there in early 20th century for economic opportunities when the land was under British mandate.
Exactly.
In honor of all your nonsense comments, I'm making another donation to the IDF. Every time I hear the crazy stuff you folks come up with, I put more cash in the fund. I have a friend who's brother lives in Israel and donations go to him to positively impact soldiers, like pitching in for body armor. For those of you without that connection, that somehow find fault with Islamic atrocity, here is a guide to donating to the IDF:https://www.jpost.com/special-content/the-10-best-sites-to-donate-to-the-idf-in-2023-773229
Then you are complicit in genocide and should be tried as such.
bravo Beatty. One point for courage…
You are a complete joke.
By your "logic", Hamas and its future progenitors (and there will be as long as the people of Palestine are kept in limbo) can justify killing all jews.
"So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." Matthew 7:12
Israel is going nowhere. The Arabs could have made peace time and time again. They don't want peace. They want true genocide. And Israel has tried to do do unto others repeatedly, only to have sneak attacks, be rebuffed from negotiations, and now, Oct 7th, a group of crazed cowards enter and rape and butcher women and babies.
And there are no "people of Palestine" Just random Arabs who should have been absorbed into the Arab nations after the Arab League lost in 1948, and every subsequent war. Why were they not? This is about the sick fetish Arabs have with thinking once they so much as defecated on a bit of ground as they passed by raping and pillaging, they should own it ad infinitum. Another $3 went into to my IDF fund for your thankfully brief but inane comment.
Every sentence you write is pure projection.
There was no terrorism in the ME before the arrival of the Stern Gang, Haganah, and the rest of those satanic fiends.
Who blew up the King David Hotel? And why?
Hint for idiots: it wasn't the Arabs....
> There was no terrorism in the ME before the arrival of the Stern Gang
As the Arabs engaged in violence by more conventional means before repeated defeats caused them to resort to terrorism.
Name one instance of the "conventional" means used by Arabs to dispel the illegal invaders of their land. JUST ONE! I'll wait! :))
Still waiting.........oh, I see now!
The "violence" and non-existent "terriorism" on the part of the Arab residents was just too discreet for the evil zionists,/ so they were "forced" (they REALLY didn't want to!), to jack up the violence by a thousand fold.
The Arabs MADE them create the massacre of Deir Yassin and bomb the King Davis Hotel. ****rolls eyes***
> Name one instance of the "conventional" means used by Arabs to dispel the illegal invaders of their land.
The Jews aren't "illegal invaders", but as for conventional attempts, let's see:
The 1948 Arab-Israeli War
The Six-Day War
The Yom Kippur War
You really seem to have remarkably strong opinions given how little you appear to know about the conflict.
Well, no. They are actually civilians.
https://youtube.com/shorts/HotR_h-puU4?si=t9b2URXx_tkxFyKQ
It's about time someone did this. It should have been done 75 years ago.
The court is an agency of the UN that allowed the Zionists to cause the problem in the first place.
The court is an agency of the UN which is of grave concern.
The Zionists however defined, are clearly not the cause of the problem, as far as I can see from the facts divorced of the propaganda and unfounded ethnic hostilities.
I recently saw a video of "Palestinians" driving cars in England (London I think), waving flags and shouting the most violent, hateful things against Israelis.
Do Israelis conduct themselves like this anywhere?
If I had been the one in London with unlimited power to act, those "Palestinians" would have been arrested and deported, along with their supporters.
Such conduct is completely unacceptable.
Is splitting on Christian officials as they pass in the West Bank, "acceptable" behavior" in your book?
Not just officials, participants in ceremonies and processions.
Of course not.
Why ask?
I am not claiming that all Arabs or Jews are devils or angels.
I am frankly troubled by those who do.
People who are closed to any input, other than their own, are the those who enable holocausts.
Closed minded people, who believed the lies and refused to receive any other input regardless, are the ones who enabled the covid crisis.
Turning on innocent fellow citizens, supporting media vilification, persecution and police brutality without any just cause, reveals a person's character.
Being brought up on charges for genocide is unacceptable, but committing genocide is fine?
Israel's Zionists are as responsible for the Gaza genocide as the US Army was for the genocide of native Americans in America's westward expansion.
Lincoln hung a few Indians
If that is as far as you can see, you need an optometrist.
Respectful communication has integrity.
Disrespectful communication invites disrespect.
That was respectful. What is disrespectful is deliberately misunderstanding the reality that Israel is committing genocide. They aren’t even trying to hide it. Be respectful of the people of Gaza and call them out for this heinous crime.
No, what is disrespectful is stating your political opinion as fact.
Good point.
We need to find an international lawyer smart enough to evict the UN for their mountain of unpaid parking tickets and turn their building into the replacement for Ellis Island that became a tourist trap.
Hypocrisy on steroids by ethic-cleansing South Africa.
Just visit this X account to see how State-sponsored racism+communism in South Africa have turned a prosperous country into a society collapsing from murder, rape, savage brutality and theft.
https://x.com/k9_reaper?s=21&t=AuwkS69LUgCQwbNTQq8gww
P.S. this is already happening in large US cities.
No matter what others have done/are doing, Israel is committing genocide. You can never undo this fact, even if you whataboutism for eternity.
Not everyone is accepting your assertion that the IDF’s pursuit of Hamas into their bunkers below the civilian population of Gaza, who one could believably assert are being used as (oftentimes, if not usually) unwilling human shields (were there not reports of Hamas shooting at fleeing Gazan civilians to keep them where they could be used as human shields).
Try to use less loaded language or at least put the qualifier alleged’ in your phrasing.
You or anyone else saying it is so doesn’t automatically make it so.
All you have done is appeal to authority, or asserted that you are the authority. Projection is the game leftists play
Truth is only loaded language to those whose heinous actions require the cover of lies.
You would have stopped the allies from bombing or invading Germany in WWII because of civilian casualties; similarly you would have kept the US from bombing Japan in WWII, in spite of the rape of Nanking, their atrocities in the Philippines and brutalization of captured US nurses. You have been brainwashed, totally blue pilled.
You don’t realize that you blonde pussy would be one of the first that these 6-7th century barbarians would rape should you fall into their hands, & they would as soon use you as a human shield over their own people.
It is so easy to get narcissitic sociopaths to reveal their true nature. All one need do is confront them with the truth about their actions.
Back at you
I don’t think that you are an arbiter of truth by any recognized authority, and certainly not of Truth by the Truth, the Way, and the Life.
Get off your high horse, if you please (and even if you don’t please.
Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy utilized by those who know they can’t to refute the facts. And you don’t get to tell me what to do, you arrogant misogynistic ass. I’ll ride as high a horse as I damn well please.
Who is the misogynist? I would say the one who defends the rape of Israeli women by Hamas, look in the mirror, sweetie pie.
Actually, it was Apartheid in SA, and bad as it was it doesn’t come close to the evil the Israelis have been inflicting on the Palestinian people since before Israel was imposed on them. The current SA government is not the one that practiced Apartheid, by the way. Maybe you should read a little more.
The current SA government is the one where the main political party sings "Kill the Boer" at its rallies.
It's been the evil of Muslims attacking Israeli's for ages, learn some history. The Israeli's defend themselves, they aren't the aggressors.
That is a bald faced lie. Historically, Jews were safer in Arab lands than in Europe. Why do you think the fled there during the Pogroms? But again, even if it had been true, genocide is wrong. It is the ultimate evil only the vilest would ever consider. Nothing you can ever say will justify the death of a single baby.
The Jews were either expelled or prosecuted in the Arab lands, there are few left.
Not until they started slaughtering the Palestinians. Your narcissism precludes your ever asking what the Israelis have done and are doing to engender so much hatred. Much easier to pretend you are the innocent victim then to face reality.
It boils down to each and every time Israel defends itself, from the aggression, they're condemned. I guess they want Israel to surrender.
They were treated as Dhimmis, throughout history. In 1948, when the Arab League attacked, they were murdered, driven out and had all their property confiscated in all Arab lands. This is basic history.
> Nothing you can ever say will justify the death of a single baby.
So the West was wrong do say fight the Nazis during WWII?
Seriously, your philosophy would require you to cede anything you have to anyone even slightly ruthless who comes along.
EVERYTHING that you just posted justifies the resistance of the Palestinians to the illegal invaders in Palestine.
Irony is not your wrong suit, is it?
Well, logic does not appear to be yours.
Israel’s collective punishment of Gaza is justification for the Hamas raid. All the claims that there are no innocent in Gaza means logically there are no innocents in Israel.
Not if it is a Jewish baby. Then it is time to look they other way.
There is now a second Apartheid in AS, if you haven’t noticed.
Hypocrisy is attempting to obfuscate the crimes of Israel by diverting attention away from the genocide it is currently carrying out with the full support of Israeli people and their Zionist supporters here.
You would think that a country filing a suit about genocide would be a country that isn't actively committing genocide. South Africa is committing genocide against white farmers and the land being taken by blacks who are unable to actually use the land to produce food. It is one of those things, be careful what you ask for, you just may get it. When SA is experiencing a famine because they are unable to produce enough food for their population because they displaced the white farmers, you can be sure Israel will not be on the list of those providing aid in the form of food. In reality, no country should be on the list, it is the whole "Reap what you sow" thing.
This is insanity. Taking Israel to court for genocide is morally corrupt and a disgrace and insult to all the Jews and Israelis that have been murdered and savaged throughout the centuries by Muslims. To support this is to be completely ignorant of all that Israel has done for the Arabs, Christian and Muslim, in Israel and areas occupied by the Arabs. It is to be ignorant of history. Supporting this lie is supporting the PLO and Hamas. Ask the majority of Israeli Arabs whether they want to remain in Israel or move to "Palestinian" governed areas. Oh, they have. The majority voted to stay in Israel where they have freedom of thought and speech, education, and all the rights of all Israelis. How can so-called intelligent people not know this? The Gazans and Muslims living in Judea and Samaria have been polled asking if they support Hamas. The majority average Gazan citizen, and those in Judea and Samaria, voted in support of Hamas. Young children and women followed the savages into the attacked kibbutzim. They revealed to the barbarians where Israelis were hiding. They sat in their kitchens and living rooms. They ate their food and they stole their money and credit cards along with their possessions.. All documented. Israelis have given medical care to the Muslims, including the butcher Sinwar ,whose life Israeli doctors saved when removing a brain tumor. What about all the Gazans Israeli pro-peace kibbutzniks picked up at the border fence and drove to Israeli hospitals?for medical care and life-saving operations? I wonder how those who invited Gazans into their homes, gave their children birthday parties, and befriended, think now? I wonder how they feel now after being mutilated and burned to the point of non-recognition? I wonder how the murdered parents of the baby roasted in an oven felt? I wonder how the peace-loving women felt as they were raped and simultaneously mutilated felt? The genocidal "From the river to the sea" belongs to the Muslims. Wake up.
“From the river to the see” was coined by Zionist Likud party, and co-opted by Palestinians. The lies that have poured out of the Israelis nonstop about everything that happened on, before, and after October 7th should be enough to inform you they are desperately trying to hide what they are doing, but thanks to the internet, the entire world can plainly see the truth.
What lies?
The lies of the zio-nazis and their hand maidens in the MSM.
Thanks for posting them!
So you can refute said "lies", right?
YES
40 beheaded babies, mass rapes, burned bodies, (this was done by IDF) The body count all attributed to Hamas when many were murdered by IDF tanks and helicopters using weapons Hamas didn’t have, baby baked in oven, Hamas command center in Al Shifa hospital, no Christians in Gaza. All of these have been repeatedly claimed by officials of Israeli government and all have been thoroughly debunked. When you are doing the right thing, you don’t make up lies to justify it.
This was filmed by Hamas killers. They were laughing about it. Please. Return to Harvard or where ever you have been brainwashed to accept atrocities against Jews.
Even Chris Cuomo saw the horror
Fredo would spend a lot of time gazing lovingly into a mirror. How could he not see the horror?
Yet more agitprop. I’m curious, are you really this thoroughly indoctrinated, or do you honestly think we’re that stupid?
Yes, you're that stupid. You refuse to see the facts, you believe the Islamic propaganda.
"Operation Himmler, also called Operation Konserve, consisted of a group of 1939 false flag undertakings planned by Nazi Germany to give the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany. The Germans then used propaganda reports of the events to justify their invasion of Poland, which started on 1 September 1939. Operation Himmler included the Germans staging false attacks on themselves—directed at innocent people, such as civilians and concentration camp prisoners. The operation arguably became the first act of the Second World War in Europe.[1]"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Himmler
https://freeread.causeaction.com/2023/12/14/chris-cuomo-after-seeing-film-of-what-hamas-did-on-october-7-israel-is-doing-far-less-than-it-could/
Article below describes a Muslim woman testifying to the horror of what Hamas did
https://www.newsweek.com/i-saw-children-hamas-beheaded-my-own-eyes-shame-queen-rania-opinion-1855472?utm_source=push_notification&utm_source=pushnami&utm_medium=Push_Notifications&utm_campaign=fullauto&utm=1703639223411
https://gellerreport.com/2023/12/brainwashing-muslim-children-in-jew-hatred-and-genocide.html/?lctg=71126631
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/12/28/shredded-into-pieces-witnesses-share-graphic-details-of-hamas-sexual-violence-against-israeli-women-1423309/?utm_campaign=bizpac&utm_content=Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_source=Get%20Response&utm_term=EMAIL
Duane, as a Paul Ryan/John McCain/Mitt Romney/Lindsey Graham faction Republican, it's important for you to keep in mind that you may be a little gullible or credulous. Remember when COLON.Powell stood up in the UN and showed the photographic evidence of Saddam's WMDs? I didn'tfall for the BS for a nanosecond. However, remember your reaction, if you haven't memory holed it and confabulated a fantasy to replace your memory of what happened? Remember how you swallowed what COLON and Dubya were saying, hook, line and sinker? None of us really knows how much of what we're being told about what Hamas did is true and how much is US-style propaganda.
I'm the polar opposite of that cabal of rhinos. I remember the UN presentation. Powell fell for it along with the UN. Then I thought it was the height of stupidity to engage in the rushed invasion. A better approach would be strike back hard if WMD are used, like Obama should have done when Assad gassed the Syrians, the "Red Line"
https://www.jphilll.com/p/a-jewish-case-against-zionism?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2023/12/the-open-air-prison-of-gaza#
He calls Gaza an open air prison, he says Jews steal land in the west bank. The west bank is owned by Israel. 85% of the west bank are Palestinians, only 15% are Jews. Here's an article on Gaza
Wow, the author is so uniformed. Supposedly a Jew, wanting to protect Jews, yet can't understand why there is apartheid. Could the hundreds of suicide bombers, knife attacks, gun shots victims have anything to do with having a border wall? Then he doesn't understand the "violence". 12,000 rockets fired into Israel, and he can't comprehend why Israel defends itself?
https://www.newsweek.com/i-saw-children-hamas-beheaded-my-own-eyes-shame-queen-rania-opinion-1855472?utm_source=push_notification&utm_source=pushnami&utm_medium=Push_Notifications&utm_campaign=fullauto&utm=1703639223411
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190726-how-israel-teaches-its-children-to-hate/
https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/watch-bone-chilling-video-captures-evil-lessons-hamas-mom-teaches-children-jews?utm_source=Truth
Since Palestinians fire over 12,000 rockets into Israel, have sent suicide bombers, have conducted knife attacks, shot Israeli's including American tourists, no wonder they have a border wall, no wonder Israeli's have a negative view of Palestinians.
Yes, let’s look at all the Israelis killed by the “rockets” Hamas has fired. Vs. the Palestinians killed by Israelis before the current genocide. The scale is very lopsided on Israelis killing many times more, and you know it.
Lets look at what a "proportional response" would be. That would be the rape, torture, burning to death, taking innocent civilian hostages.
https://gellerreport.com/2023/12/brainwashing-muslim-children-in-jew-hatred-and-genocide.html/?lctg=71126631
No more blatant Zionist propagandist than Geller. Citing her as a source for facts is laughable.
No one can prove what she says is incorrect.
Please, so Israeli text books have an "anti-Palestinian bias" that takes a grievance studies major to see. Palestinian textbooks literally say "kill the Jews".
No. they don't LIAR.
Links, please. Oh, wait there are none....
From this very thread:
https://merylnass.substack.com/p/south-africa-takes-israel-to-the/comment/46308841
This has been thoroughly debunked.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/12/28/shredded-into-pieces-witnesses-share-graphic-details-of-hamas-sexual-violence-against-israeli-women-1423309/?utm_campaign=bizpac&utm_content=Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_source=Get%20Response&utm_term=EMAIL
You can cite propaganda all day. It doesn’t alter the facts.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/12/28/shredded-into-pieces-witnesses-share-graphic-details-of-hamas-sexual-violence-against-israeli-women-1423309/?utm_campaign=bizpac&utm_content=Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_source=Get%20Response&utm_term=EMAIL
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2023/12/what-hamas-did-to-the-girls-and-women-in-gaza#
It's amazing how easy it is to argue for any position if you dismiss all contrary evidence as "propaganda".
"Genocide Joe" Biden and his neocon handlers are the real war criminals here.
They are definitely war criminals. They are also complicit in genocide in both Yemen and Gaza. But Netanyahu’s government are the ones carrying out the actual massacres and wanton destruction. I shudder to think what will rain down on Israeli’s for this.
Nah.
Over 500,000 killed in Syria, 380,000 killed in Yemen, 240,000 killed in Afghanistan, 500 000 killed in Sudan, 300,000 killed in Iraq and all South Africa cares about is Gaza???? And where was South Africa when millions of dollars in humanitarian aid was used instead for the terror tunnels. Did they care about Gazans then?
Who cares? They after doing the right thing now. Let’s celebrate that.
They're only doing it because it's a chance to go after Jews. They wouldn't care if anti-semitism wasn't involved.
Based on what evidence? Couldn’t it be retribution for Israel’s support of the former apartheid government? Or that their people can identify with the Palestinians? I’m just glad someone is doing something.
Thank God, someone finally sees the truth about what Israel is doing and has been doing for years.
Israel has bent over backwards for years to achieve peace in the region. They gave back the entire Sinai Peninsula to Egypt, they allowed the Palestinians to occupy the west bank that Israel owned, they completely left Gaza in 2005, they offered a independent state to the Palestinians in 8 or 9 deals. It's always the Muslims attacking Israel, no matter how much they do or give away.
Lies. Norman Finkelstein has written extensively utterly debunking this laughable claim. But it is irrelevant, because even if Israel had been totally in the right before now, this genocide proves they are now utterly, irrevocably, evil.
https://gellerreport.com/2023/12/the-evil-that-is-norman-finkelstein.html/?lctg=71126631
Citing an Israeli propaganda cite does nothing to bolster your case.
Yes, we get it. Everyone who disagrees with you is an "Israeli propagandist".
Finkelstein is a well known antisemite, propagandist, what ever he says is a joke. No one believes him.
More lies. How dare you! His entire extended family died in Nazi extermination camps with the exception of his parents. He is anti- Zionist not anti semite. He doesn’t ask you to believe him, he presents documented evidence of facts.
I don't know what Finkelsteins problem is but he's out in outer space. See, Geller report, the evil that is Finkelstein
https://gellerreport.com/2023/12/the-evil-that-is-norman-finkelstein.html/?lctg=71126631
Again with your shameful slander of a good man. But then, it is foolish to expect anything else from you.
From before it was recognized as the modern state of Israel. Zionism is a racial supremest philosophy that justifies covetousness,theft, murder, rape and lies, pretty much violates all Ten Commandments, so ironic that the Christian Zionists blindly support even genocide if Israel does it.
I do not agree with ANY genocide. However, the biggest genocide in history is occurring now via the actions of the NWO/UN/WHO/BG/ etc. Actually, it consists of DEMOCIDE. We need to dismantle the UN and the WHO and look at our state and federal laws to rid them of the laws that are making the scamdemic/democide legal though not lawful.
Agreed. And Israel’s government was a big player in this as well. Bibi sold out his people Pfizer.
Thank you, Meryl. You continue to impress me with your honesty and you love of truth.
It would be nice if DC would be called out for funding both sides of yet another blood bath.
You’ll be happy to know that genocide Joe stopped all funds to Gaza.
One of the few things he has ever done correctly.
But South Africa is not trying to take Hamas to court - b/c clearly everything Hamas did to Israeli Jews and Arabs and international people on Oct 7th, and in particular, over the years (and still - where do you think your "humanitarian aid" in going), to the Gazans, was "just fine." After all, beheading, mutilating, raping, burning, parading bleeding bodies, taking innocent hostages - including a 9 month old - that's what we all do in the nam of fredom.
Worth reading: https://www.futureofjewish.com/p/the-most-humane-inhumane-war
Absolutely. Those IDF soldiers that blew the heads off Palestinian kids and laughed bigtime were perfectly within their rights. Only fair. Even Sephardim in Israel are treated lousy, never mind Islamists and Christians. Israel sounds like a great place to live, have children, and teach 'em to murder them furriners who stole the land from the rightful that purloined and butchered their way to take over land rightfully property of the native Palestinians. "It's our land, we stole it sayeth the Israeli ingrates".
You need to read the article again. They are calling for war crimes charges for Hamas. But you can list bad deeds by others till tge day you die and it will never erase the fact that Israel is slaughtering innocent women and children and other civilians, bombing hospitals, Christian churches, mosques, murdering journalists and teachers and doctors and innocent animals, all of which are completely and utterly immoral and inexcusable. The blood of innocents is on their hands. All decent people of the world are appalled. The entire world will hate you for this.
What is really going on in Israel & Gaza?
Max Blumenthal provided answers you won’t hear in US MSM:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/judging-freedom/id1591962689?i=1000640063187
Thank you for posting this. The constant killing, displacing, humiliation, deprivation of basic needs, denying of sovereignty, occupation of Palestinians has got to stop.
As much as I like and respect Jeremy Hammond, it is not possible to praise his knowledge of Israeli—Zionist history and I would be careful about vetting his reporting and analyses. I downloaded his collection of essays and quote from the very first one “The Simplicity of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict” Originally published at the Palestine Chronicle, May 24, 2010
“Contrary to popular myth, Israel was not created by the U.N. Israel
was born on May 14, 1948, when the Zionist leadership unilaterally
declared its existence. The neighboring Arab states took up arms against
the newly declared state in the war known to Israelis as the “War of
Independence” and to the Arabs as the “Nakba”, or “Catastrophe”.
During the war, 700,000 Arabs were either driven from their homes or
fled out of fear of further massacres such as had occurred at the village
of Deir Yassin shortly prior to the Zionist declaration.”
This makes it seem as though the Arabs took up arms against Israel because it declared itself an independent state, and thus The Nakba that followed in the wake of their defeat. This is what Israeli propaganda wants you to believe. In fact, the Nakba had begun long before Israel’s declaration of independence and its success had paved the way for this declaration. See any book with a real grip of history from the polemical Ralph Schoenmann’s “The Hidden History of Zionism” to the scholarly Ilan Pappe’s “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.” The infamous Deir Yassin massacre (read Schoenmann’s account), to which the Zionists pointed with emblematic pride as forcing all the Arabs to flee, occurred April 9, 1948.
A nation founded by atheist terrorists claiming God gave them the land is ludicrous. Regardless of what has gone before, nothing can ever justify the treatment of the Palestinians by Israelis. And this current genocide reveals to the world the true nature of Zionists. Only the corrupt governments of the US and its allies could ever condone this. But make no mistake, the American people abhor it, and we will never forget.
Do the American people abhor their unjustified, overt and covert, military and intelligence interventions in a string of nations, causing unbelievable amounts of suffering and death to untold numbers of innocent civilians?
Will they never forget this?
https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-launched-251-military-interventions-since-1991-469-since-1798/5793867
https://www.globalresearch.ca/since-9-11-americas-insane-foreign-policy-continued-under-obama-has-killed-a-million-and-created-isis/5472808
https://www.globalresearch.ca/western-interference-subversion-abroad-2/5842944
Many of us do, yes.
Only if we are omniscient and have all the facts, can we hope to be able to rightly judge a situation.
The world is a BIG jigsaw puzzle.
If we only have part of the puzzle put together, we can have a totally mistaken idea of what the whole picture looks like.
Same with the Israeli/Arab conflict.
I accidentally came across a video recently, where two alternative commentators were kicking a geopolitical ball around, and I realised that they were right on top of the plays on the board, like skilled chess players analysing the moves, while I was only an observer, who didn't even really know the rules or even begin to understand the plays.
I learnt from that experience.
Only if we are omniscient and have all the facts, can we hope to be able to rightly judge a situation. >> This is wrong on its face, isn't it? We must be both omniscient and know all the (relevant) before we judge rightly. This would lead to political and intellectual paralysis. I pointed out a fundamental error of fact from a Hammond essay and suggested going cautiously before embracing what he said. It would not be surprising if--thirteen years later--he got the current genocide and its current legal status exactly right. With all due respect your remark is both mistaken and off point. If Meryl took your advice she would have done and concluded far far far less than she has.
Take your point to some extent.
My point is simply, that we cannot be dogmatic about our conclusions, if we do not have all the facts.
Even if we did all have all the known facts, we could still end up polarised, based upon our interpretation of the facts.
We can only draw our conclusions from the facts we have integrated.
This forum is a case on point - basically polarised opinion.
Either the facts are different, incomplete, or the interpretation is just different.
I am not advocating doing nothing until we have all the facts.
I am saying that we cannot be sure of our conclusions, if we do not have all the facts.
Meryl is fine - she knows how to fly with the facts she has on board, while remaining wisely open to any new information, that might change her conclusions and necessitate course corrections.
We have all the facts we need to conclude that Israel is committing a genocide. You can play word games and tie your brain in complicated knots, but nothing you can conclude will change the facts. If your morality is such that anything justifies this, you are a sorry excuse for a human being.
Again Debbie, respectful comments generate respect.
Disrespectful comments the opposite.
Are others denigrating you?
Then kindly refrain from denigrating others.
Thank you.
You denigrate all of humanity by refusing to see the genocide being perpetrated on Gaza. How would you feel if the world all just denied the Nazi Holocaust? Is it only a Holocaust if it happens to Jews?
So I guess other nations should not have fought the Nazis, because we certainly didn’t have perfect knowledge of that situation.
Well, you're the one who's on record opposing US involvement in WWII.
Long winded of way of saying “It’s complicated”. It isn’t. It is the most evil and brutal genocide. I was taught in school two wrongs don’t make a right.
One has to wonder why these books are so heavily censored by Amazon. The Zionist started recruiting Jews to move to the area in the 1920s, at first they purchased land - then they just took it. So what did the area of Palestine look like in 1910? 96 % of the population was Muslims and Christians (which owned 99% of the land) and 4% were Jews. They lived in peace and were as advanced as those in the US or Europe. This video the Mystery of Israel - explains much https://stopworldcontrol.com/israel/ - but I wonder how long it will be available.
Much of what they “purchased” was from far off people who never lived on it. It was given to them by some conquering government or other. But the families living there had been working that land for many generations.
Thank you for this post. Jews and arabs and their non-Christian religions and disputes are not really my cup of tea and are not ordinarily of much interest to me. Although I was aware that Israel had supervised the Lebanese Christians when they carried out the Sabre and Shatila massacre in 1982, during which their victims were mutilated and had their genitalia stuffed in the mouths of their corpses, I did not have specfic knowlege of other Israeli-perpetrated atrocities. Only recently did I learn about the Tantura massacre and the eyewitness and archaelogical evidence of Israel having perpetrated mass murder during it. Alleged Israeli perpetrators appear to have confessed to committing rape of young girls during it. I knew nothing of the Deir Yassin massacre. I am thankful to you that I am now aware of it. The attack by Hamas on the Nova dance festival shocked me. The subsequently reported claim that it might have been, at least in part, a false flag operation by the Israelis also shocked me. However, people have pointed out that the German Nazis behaved in a similar mannet to what the Israelis are accused of. Are you aware of Operation Himmler?
"Operation Himmler, also called Operation Konserve, consisted of a group of 1939 false flag undertakings planned by Nazi Germany to give the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany. The Germans then used propaganda reports of the events to justify their invasion of Poland, which started on 1 September 1939. Operation Himmler included the Germans staging false attacks on themselves—directed at innocent people, such as civilians and concentration camp prisoners. The operation arguably became the first act of the Second World War in Europe.[1]"
Spot on
It would be great if all the of the members of the UN that got snubbed by the UN security council veto by the US jumped onto this as co-plaintiffs, or whatever they are called.