I've yet to see the origination or destination of the fight, or any stop off in between. Perhaps it's been published and I've just missed it.
The big change in the Proghozin agenda is the adventure in Africa. Supposedly, he would lead Wagner in a Russian version of the foreign legion in the helping central African governments throw out the european banks and UN-related debt parasites that have imperialistically raped those countries for decades.
Not that the native governments aren't at least as bad. The fact remains that the London and European banks have owned and controlled those puppet governments for decades.
The mere suggestion that Russia could and should usurp European and UN domination of the government culture and national economies would be killing' words to the proto-imperialists and preening globalist cretins now trying to eat the world.
I suspect the EU/NATO, City of London, Newland, Blinken and Blackrock/Vanguard considerably more than I'd suspect Putin at this stage. Putin doesn't need plausible deniability or covert action to smash Proghozin and his inner circle into an early grave.
Interesting. I certainly trust MacGregor. He's a faithful gift of experience and insight.
Perhaps there was never to be Wagner involvement in Africa. Or perhaps it hasn't yet happened.
There certainly seems to be great impetus to throw the Western nations (and particularly NATO, London banks, EU cartels and their NWO sycophants into the dust bin of history.
BTW, had planned to watch that interview tonight. Tucker with RFK, Jr and interviewing Jordan Peterson was really excellent.
I find MacGregor to be incredibly thoughtful and discerning. A true student of history.
I certainly don’t fault Africa for wanting autonomy. They have paid a high price for their own resources as well as the proclivity of leaders to betray.
Africa can only rise when they escape the banking and contract hegemony that now threatening to eat the world. One could well argue that Africa has resisted the criminal enterprise of modern government interlopers better than most other nations.
They are mostly unruled because they continue to be mostly unruleable.
We could learn a thing or two from them about individual freedom and authentic living.
As for comparing corrupt leaders, they are far less willing than we are to help the corrupt leader tell the lie.
At this point it's looking like the entire top command of Russian mercenary outfit Wagner Group was aboard the private plane that was downed northwest of Moscow hours ago. Wagner itself is confirming Yvgeny Prigozhin’s death, with Wagner-affiliated Telegram channel Grey Zone calling it a "murder".
The bodies of Prigozhin and his second-in-command Dmitry Utkin, have reportedly been identified, according to statements which have been quick to come out of Russian media. Russian news agency TASS has also made it official: "Evgeny Prigozhin and Dmitry Utkin were on board the crashed Embraer plane, the Federal Air Transport Agency reported."
After significant internet rumors emerged Tuesday, Russian state news agency RIA confirmed Wednesday that Gen. Sergei Surovikin has been fired as head of the country's air force. He has been "missing" - or believed under house arrest, since the Wagner mutiny events of June 23-24. He had for months prior overseen Russia's war efforts in Ukraine.
"The ex-Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces of Russia Sergei Surovikin has now been relieved of his post, Colonel General Viktor Afzalov, Chief of the General Staff of the Aerospace Forces, is temporarily acting as Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces," RIA reported based on single unnamed source.
Honestly, John, unless you were on that plane you wouldn't know who was there, if anybody. It could have been a drone or remotely piloted plane. This could all be a psyop to confuse military/political opponents. Between photoshopping and baldfaced lies in all media it is not possible to know the details of such an event. Time will probably tell.
Well, the CIA blew up Nord Stream, and they managed to blame that on Russia, so why wouldn't they think they could blame Putin?
The "Wagner revolt" was covered on page 1 by our obedient press; when Wagner Group paused their march on Moscow, conveniently miles closer to Kiev than before the "revolt," that development was barely covered, if at all.
There is no accountability. This is generally always the case in late stage empire. They are nobody special though. Opposite actually. Their arrogance will be their downfall. Sadly our country will pay the price too. Probably deserved for letting these psycopaths run amok
Years ago, people clamored over the UNs agendas but there was little proof. Now the WEF, WHO, and UN just lay it all out brazenly while feigning altruism. The CIA and other agencies apparently favor similar brazenness. Like the gas pipeline....
Funny you should ask that-I was just wondering that myself. This definitely isn't the first time something like this happened, and I would bet it won't be the last.
IF he is dead, the fasco-Marxist Deep State is in full monty mode now.
Shades of General Patton, JFK, and all those "mysterious" Clinton deaths, like their close advisor, Middleton, who both shot AND hung himself at the same time, flinging the shotgun 30' away from his body after he was dead... or Clinton death where the so-called judge ruled the person "fell asleep on the railroad tracks".... or Vince Foster, who killed himself, then FLEW into Ft. Marcy Park (there was no mud on his shoes).
Wasn't there a plane crash killing all 5 investigators who (finally) made it to the 2023 East Palestine, OH train derailment....as they were departing with their yet unreported (forever lost) findings?
I had a number of former imbecile friends that thought Clinton was just dandy. Hey, such a grooovy guy, and he "felt your pain" while theatrically biting his bottom lip. And that hipster, groovy sax playing on the Arsenio Hall show!
These people are too stupid to vote.
And for Obama, one called me "racist" for not voting for him. "Gee," I responded, "I voted for the 100% - not 50% - black Alan Keyes, who is the true son of a slave, not Obama, who has zero slave background, in the 2000 primaries. "Who did you vote for?" Of course, it was the white guy, Al Gore. Never heard back from him.
Leftist hypocrisy is a bitch, isn't it.
I finally gave up on those friends. You can't help stupid
Since it’s conception, the CIA remains “Innocent of All Crimes it Commits,” and the U.S. State Department, DOJ and FBI—who never investigates any public official of any government agency within the U.S.—and will deny their own Intelligent-Deniability-Methods so to never need a reason to investigate any criminality within the U.S. Federal or State Governments, particularly within the CIA, DOJ, FBI or State Department—even if their own lawyers must insist upon more (no-so-secret) murders to cover it up—in which they will deny knowing anything.
And, no, nothing I just said was supposed to make any sense, whatsoever, just like the media spokespersons and security briefers of these corrupt agencies.
Honestly, though, I grew up around one or two lawyers, police officers, soldiers…who I loved and respected, but have grown to distrust and hate most who “serve” us today, undeniably.
Is he actually dead? Just because he was on the manifest.....
A manifest can be wrong...or a name deleted.
Probably on some tropical island somewhere.
I've yet to see the origination or destination of the fight, or any stop off in between. Perhaps it's been published and I've just missed it.
The big change in the Proghozin agenda is the adventure in Africa. Supposedly, he would lead Wagner in a Russian version of the foreign legion in the helping central African governments throw out the european banks and UN-related debt parasites that have imperialistically raped those countries for decades.
Not that the native governments aren't at least as bad. The fact remains that the London and European banks have owned and controlled those puppet governments for decades.
The mere suggestion that Russia could and should usurp European and UN domination of the government culture and national economies would be killing' words to the proto-imperialists and preening globalist cretins now trying to eat the world.
I suspect the EU/NATO, City of London, Newland, Blinken and Blackrock/Vanguard considerably more than I'd suspect Putin at this stage. Putin doesn't need plausible deniability or covert action to smash Proghozin and his inner circle into an early grave.
Col Doug MacGregor said in his interview with Tucker there is no Wagner presence in Africa.
As far as he knows or tells. Up to the moment he knew. Situations can and do change.
Interesting. I certainly trust MacGregor. He's a faithful gift of experience and insight.
Perhaps there was never to be Wagner involvement in Africa. Or perhaps it hasn't yet happened.
There certainly seems to be great impetus to throw the Western nations (and particularly NATO, London banks, EU cartels and their NWO sycophants into the dust bin of history.
BTW, had planned to watch that interview tonight. Tucker with RFK, Jr and interviewing Jordan Peterson was really excellent.
I find MacGregor to be incredibly thoughtful and discerning. A true student of history.
I certainly don’t fault Africa for wanting autonomy. They have paid a high price for their own resources as well as the proclivity of leaders to betray.
Ditto.
Africa can only rise when they escape the banking and contract hegemony that now threatening to eat the world. One could well argue that Africa has resisted the criminal enterprise of modern government interlopers better than most other nations.
They are mostly unruled because they continue to be mostly unruleable.
We could learn a thing or two from them about individual freedom and authentic living.
As for comparing corrupt leaders, they are far less willing than we are to help the corrupt leader tell the lie.
I agree!
At this point it's looking like the entire top command of Russian mercenary outfit Wagner Group was aboard the private plane that was downed northwest of Moscow hours ago. Wagner itself is confirming Yvgeny Prigozhin’s death, with Wagner-affiliated Telegram channel Grey Zone calling it a "murder".
The bodies of Prigozhin and his second-in-command Dmitry Utkin, have reportedly been identified, according to statements which have been quick to come out of Russian media. Russian news agency TASS has also made it official: "Evgeny Prigozhin and Dmitry Utkin were on board the crashed Embraer plane, the Federal Air Transport Agency reported."
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/prigozhins-dead-after-his-business-jet-10-people-board-has-crashed
AND...
After significant internet rumors emerged Tuesday, Russian state news agency RIA confirmed Wednesday that Gen. Sergei Surovikin has been fired as head of the country's air force. He has been "missing" - or believed under house arrest, since the Wagner mutiny events of June 23-24. He had for months prior overseen Russia's war efforts in Ukraine.
"The ex-Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces of Russia Sergei Surovikin has now been relieved of his post, Colonel General Viktor Afzalov, Chief of the General Staff of the Aerospace Forces, is temporarily acting as Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces," RIA reported based on single unnamed source.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-fires-general-who-ran-ukraine-war-wake-wagner-mutiny-events
Who would be dumb enough to put all top brass on same plane? Aunt and uncle never flew together for children's sake. And they were "just parents"
Both planes flew, as usual, but the top guys were all in one, not as usual.
Can't ask them why now.
Urgent meeting?
Honestly, John, unless you were on that plane you wouldn't know who was there, if anybody. It could have been a drone or remotely piloted plane. This could all be a psyop to confuse military/political opponents. Between photoshopping and baldfaced lies in all media it is not possible to know the details of such an event. Time will probably tell.
They took pictures of burned bodies on the ground.
Prigozhin had a lot of enemies, and Wagner was useful-but-too-pushy.
There was the matter of revenge from Ukraine and justice from Russia. MI-6 and CIA always like hit-jobs.
I read various confirmations from the airport that Prigozhin and top-brass were on that plane.
We don't need absolute certainty here, and we can adjust if there is some new development down the line.
As it is, none of the enemies is taking credit, which is also interesting.
I understand. But this is one bizarre story (mutiny and makeup) after another. Time will tell, maybe.
Well, the CIA blew up Nord Stream, and they managed to blame that on Russia, so why wouldn't they think they could blame Putin?
The "Wagner revolt" was covered on page 1 by our obedient press; when Wagner Group paused their march on Moscow, conveniently miles closer to Kiev than before the "revolt," that development was barely covered, if at all.
Plane crashes are favored for "elimination."
Most likely no survivors.
Post-crash fire destroys the evidence.
😲🤔
Yes, I remember Lorretta Fuddy.
We need a site dedicated listing all the govt crimes. It's hard to remember all of them!
More likely they know they can do anything they want and get away with it.
Have they ever had any consequences ever for anything?
There is no accountability. This is generally always the case in late stage empire. They are nobody special though. Opposite actually. Their arrogance will be their downfall. Sadly our country will pay the price too. Probably deserved for letting these psycopaths run amok
yep crashed into a SAM Missile
I suspect the same nation behind blowing up the pipe line was involved in this. Nothing to see here.
Putin could be playing like he died on the plane and then blame it on the CIA, so that Putin could take out the CIA. Now, there's a nice thought!
Years ago, people clamored over the UNs agendas but there was little proof. Now the WEF, WHO, and UN just lay it all out brazenly while feigning altruism. The CIA and other agencies apparently favor similar brazenness. Like the gas pipeline....
No bout adoubt it
Funny you should ask that-I was just wondering that myself. This definitely isn't the first time something like this happened, and I would bet it won't be the last.
IF he is dead, the fasco-Marxist Deep State is in full monty mode now.
Shades of General Patton, JFK, and all those "mysterious" Clinton deaths, like their close advisor, Middleton, who both shot AND hung himself at the same time, flinging the shotgun 30' away from his body after he was dead... or Clinton death where the so-called judge ruled the person "fell asleep on the railroad tracks".... or Vince Foster, who killed himself, then FLEW into Ft. Marcy Park (there was no mud on his shoes).
General Alexander Lebed sez hold my pivo.
Surely Putin wouldn’t tolerate US aircraft entering his airspace?
DEW from space
Aha, possibly.
But that would be an outright UN/USA declaration of war that would be met with force… by Russia and possibly China.
WTH are the morons running the show doing. Looks like they WANT WW3.
Wasn't there a plane crash killing all 5 investigators who (finally) made it to the 2023 East Palestine, OH train derailment....as they were departing with their yet unreported (forever lost) findings?
I had a number of former imbecile friends that thought Clinton was just dandy. Hey, such a grooovy guy, and he "felt your pain" while theatrically biting his bottom lip. And that hipster, groovy sax playing on the Arsenio Hall show!
These people are too stupid to vote.
And for Obama, one called me "racist" for not voting for him. "Gee," I responded, "I voted for the 100% - not 50% - black Alan Keyes, who is the true son of a slave, not Obama, who has zero slave background, in the 2000 primaries. "Who did you vote for?" Of course, it was the white guy, Al Gore. Never heard back from him.
Leftist hypocrisy is a bitch, isn't it.
I finally gave up on those friends. You can't help stupid
Since it’s conception, the CIA remains “Innocent of All Crimes it Commits,” and the U.S. State Department, DOJ and FBI—who never investigates any public official of any government agency within the U.S.—and will deny their own Intelligent-Deniability-Methods so to never need a reason to investigate any criminality within the U.S. Federal or State Governments, particularly within the CIA, DOJ, FBI or State Department—even if their own lawyers must insist upon more (no-so-secret) murders to cover it up—in which they will deny knowing anything.
And, no, nothing I just said was supposed to make any sense, whatsoever, just like the media spokespersons and security briefers of these corrupt agencies.
Honestly, though, I grew up around one or two lawyers, police officers, soldiers…who I loved and respected, but have grown to distrust and hate most who “serve” us today, undeniably.
The Clintons will hate that they can't kill DJT on Trump 1 the same way. They will surely try.