The situation is very different than when Boris Johnson scuttled a peace deal 2 years ago while now Zelensky is looking down the barrel of a gun and his handlers are about to be replaced
Zelensky is a pompous ass if he thinks that will ever happen. The Ukrainians started this with our State Department Victoria Nuland and both should be hung out to dry.
Back before clothspins a twisted set of two ropes is what held clothes on a line. You would stick their evil necks and run the rope out above the ground. You'd get to watch them try to keep strangulation from happening from the choking off of the carotid artery.
Now I still believe in a reasonable exile to perhaps some Siberian outback island with a cabin where they get a wood stove, an axe , twice a year rations and kitchen gear and an outhouse and piss bucket. I am, a reasonable man.
"Zelensky suggested a ceasefire could be possible if NATO protects Ukraine’s controlled territories in an interview aired Sunday, signaling a shift in strategy to end the war."
The illegitimate president of 404 STILL believes he can weasel out of the mess of his own making... He is in NO position to negotiate anything; the ONLY possible outcome is capitulation.
In the beginning (of this saga, that is :) ) Biden and Zelensky decided to tell Putin that Ukraine would join NATO and Putin's red line could go to hell, as this document shows. https://www.state.gov/u-s-ukraine-charter-on-strategic-partnership/ | U.S.-Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership - United States Department of State
Putin had already given the final warning, but in order to keep alive the myth that Trump was colluding with Putin, Russia had to remain as the international enemy #1 for the eternal war (as in the book "1984"). Thus, the goal of Biden/Obama/Clinton and the WEF/UN was to instigate a long lasting war, especially in Ukraine, because Ukraine is a bread basket for many countries. The war could have been provoked in some poor African country (and they have plenty of them), but food disruption on a large scale killed lots more people and created worldwide food price inflation with just the one war. Let us not forget that the WEF/UN were influencing other countries to stop food production by various means, such as bankrupting Sri Lanka and forcing Dutch farmers* to sell their land to government for building 15 minute "smart" concentration camps.
*who are (were?) among the top 5 food exporters in the world and mainly to the poor countries in Africa - the WEF hates blacks unless they can use them. So here we are about 5 years later and Zelensky is still talking about an affiliation with NATO.
HOW FREAKING STUPID CAN HE BE? The war is still going on, people are getting killed every day as a result of his failures and now he wants to NATO protection. That is what he wanted in the first place but as a NATO member, but being protected by NATO and being a member of NATO are hardly different. He is just trying to prolonging the war which is what this war is all about.
what a puppet... what a weak man in a position of powder which he really never had! They Coreographed him to walk about in a compat green T shirt! Did he think he's Che!? Wife on the Vogue Cover? Fame & Fortune in the middle of a catastrophe planned to impversih Europe! They would have lined his pockets with $100 Bills... & he probably thought that the sun will never set! & now , he can see the bus coming & coming his way... the train is leaving.... & all the money laundering that he aided and abbetted to.... All the dead/Killed Young Ukraninas... what a dumb ass.
Russia has not forgotten or forgiven NAZO's aggression against Serbia in defense of NAZO 's al-Qaeda linked Kosovo Liberation Army buddies or its aggression against Libya. NAZO is hell bent on imposing US values of Islamization, child transgenderism and vaccine coercion. Their ain't going be no shotgun wedding.
I believe this is just delay tactics while NATO countries try to move 100,000 NATO troops into all areas of Ukraine as a "peacekeeping contingent" "...to freeze the Ukrainian conflict in order to restore the combat capability of the Ukrainian Armed Forces for an attempt at revenge."
"NATO is already setting up training centers in Ukraine, where it is expected to train at least a million mobilized Ukrainians , and is also actively working with Western military-industrial companies, demanding investment and sending specialists and equipment to Ukraine."
How many times will Zelensky write the same peace deal, but using different words?
The people in the ‘occupied' countries voted to join Russia and it’s a done deal. Period. And it was absolutely legal for them to do so because they have the right to self determination. And it was America that set the precedent.
Russia will not accept a ceasefire that gives Ukraine time to rearm. They already did that with the 2 Minsk agreements.
THIS IS EXACTLY THE ONE THING PUTIN SAID WAS A RED LINE. HE DOESN'T WANT NATO ON HIS BORDER. THIS WASN'T IN THE PEACE DEAL THEY HAVE STRUCK TWICE SO NOW SUDDENLY ZELENSKY BRING UP THE ONE ISSUE THAT WOULD KILL IT.
At least its a start. Ukraine has no money to finance their NATO membership even if it was a good idea - its not. All this destruction and million dead and this could have been done before the st shot was taken. World leaders are stupid.
Zelensky "further explained that a ceasefire would be essential to ensure Russian President Vladimir Putin would not attempt to reclaim more Ukrainian land, adding that NATO should “immediately” cover the areas still under Kyiv’s control to prevent further Russian advances." Zelensky also talked about Ukraine's 1991 borders which are a myth.
2 points:
1. Putin will not stand for a NATO presence in "areas still under Kyiv's control and
2. Ukraine never fulfilled the UN requirements for there to be an internationally recognized border for Ukraine.
When you have a TV actor playing the role of "President" that is exactly what you have; an "actor" and not a "president."
Time to step down Mr. Actor and let someone "real" take over!
My reply to AwakeNotWoke: "imposing US values of Islamization"? Are you an Islamofascist? Islam must reform itself. And don't complain about the Old Testament or expressing concern about religious-based barbarism that occurred in the past. That's of import solely to historians. What people are concerned about today is today's threats. Most people just want to wake up in their beds and undertake the days tasks without getting blown up or kidnapped or beheaded. You will find in the Bible threats that God will admonish or smite the faithless, but not God commanding the faithful to kill or enslave (through Dhimminitude) peaceful non believers minding their own business. Consider also the quantity and character of Koranic commandments, which are universal by geography; directed to all Muslims; and must be enforced into perpetuity. (nothing like that in Leviticus or Deuteronomy.) Besides, the Koran is considered the direct word from God, unlike the Bible, where Judaic and Christian law are all human interpretations of God's laws. That's partly why islamic institutions and nations reward hate crimes (ie jihad) against infidels, whereas the western religions condemn and outlaw it.
Moreover, jews and christians don't act on any alleged hatedful philosophies in their scriptures. jihadists do. every day. How many rabbis issue fatwas? how many priests put prices on the heads of apostates? 20,000 islamic terrorist attacks within 10 yrs. 50,000 honor killings a year. wife beatings. forced marraiges and clitorectomies by the hundreds of thousands. stoning and beheading. who does this other than muslims adhering to mainstream islam? some hick in tennessee who flips out in the name of god is one individual acting on his own and condemned by the mainstream. In israel, such hatred by jews against those they are at seige against are outlawed as political parties, and jailed if they act on their hate. Same in holland and europe. But in gaza, or west bank, or syria, or yemen, or iran, or lebanon, if you killed christans or jews for being christians or jews, you get a parade honoring you. A school named after you etc.
Where is the "predominant" or "mainstream" islam? Malaysia where they kill apostates; cut off hands of theives; give 20 lashes for blasphemy; and bar israelis from entering their nation? in europe, where they riot and kill jews and cartoonists? "RESENTMENT" is not something you can inflict like a gun shot. Resentment derives from the person who feels inferior. Thus, how dare Israel excel in all areas of science and commerce and economics, thus making islamic nations next door look like utter failures----which they are! How dare the west succeed because of pluralism, freedom and gender equality, secular government, and tolerance etc. Ask yourself WHY was an autocrat like Mubarak in Egypt necessary, while non muslim nations were able to democratize by now? it is because islamists assassinate instead of debate. is it because they run for office and dismantle democracy once elected? see turkey. just like Hitler in 1930. Mubarak was the awful best option compared to islamofacists.
1. Was Putin SERIOUSLY threatened by encroachments of NATO bases?! For 75 years, NATO has proven to be exclusively a DEFENSIVE alliance among democracies. It's also a non sequitur to punish Ukraine with war crimes because some OTHER nation placed a military base inside its own borders?! By that logic, the U.S. has the right to bomb the civilians in Cuba!
2. If Putin had a valid dispute about territory, why didn't he take the matter to the UN to resolve it? Minsk was a treaty. When treaties are violated, the wronged party brings the dispute to the UN for a resolution. The first step is not to bombard innocent civilians killing hundred of thousands of them!! Are you "anti-war" MAGAs now going to defend China's war on the Philippines?! Or Iran's was against Israel?! Where's your moral authority?
3. It's a war crime to torture civilians, kidnap children and bomb hospitals, schools and apartment buildings?
The axis of aggressors (Russia, Iran, China, and N Korea) will get another wrong message if the US and NATO doesn't back Ulraine. Yes, offer Russia an off ramp while supporting Ukraine. If we learned anything after WWII, it's that it's not in the interests of the US to allow Russia to gobble up territory merely because you guys claim Minsk was violated. Putin uses that as a pretext. What he really wants is to make Russia great again, by re-acquiring the Eastern bloc territories, yet again by brutality.
Zelensky is a pompous ass if he thinks that will ever happen. The Ukrainians started this with our State Department Victoria Nuland and both should be hung out to dry.
My bet their both related to the devil
(…out to dry)?
roped.
Back before clothspins a twisted set of two ropes is what held clothes on a line. You would stick their evil necks and run the rope out above the ground. You'd get to watch them try to keep strangulation from happening from the choking off of the carotid artery.
Now I still believe in a reasonable exile to perhaps some Siberian outback island with a cabin where they get a wood stove, an axe , twice a year rations and kitchen gear and an outhouse and piss bucket. I am, a reasonable man.
We promised that there would be no NATO in Ukraine. What needless slaughter mainly caused by the west
Like most wars
"Zelensky suggested a ceasefire could be possible if NATO protects Ukraine’s controlled territories in an interview aired Sunday, signaling a shift in strategy to end the war."
The illegitimate president of 404 STILL believes he can weasel out of the mess of his own making... He is in NO position to negotiate anything; the ONLY possible outcome is capitulation.
He'll be running for his life before long - from actual fascists, of course, Western "allies".
In the beginning (of this saga, that is :) ) Biden and Zelensky decided to tell Putin that Ukraine would join NATO and Putin's red line could go to hell, as this document shows. https://www.state.gov/u-s-ukraine-charter-on-strategic-partnership/ | U.S.-Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership - United States Department of State
Putin had already given the final warning, but in order to keep alive the myth that Trump was colluding with Putin, Russia had to remain as the international enemy #1 for the eternal war (as in the book "1984"). Thus, the goal of Biden/Obama/Clinton and the WEF/UN was to instigate a long lasting war, especially in Ukraine, because Ukraine is a bread basket for many countries. The war could have been provoked in some poor African country (and they have plenty of them), but food disruption on a large scale killed lots more people and created worldwide food price inflation with just the one war. Let us not forget that the WEF/UN were influencing other countries to stop food production by various means, such as bankrupting Sri Lanka and forcing Dutch farmers* to sell their land to government for building 15 minute "smart" concentration camps.
*who are (were?) among the top 5 food exporters in the world and mainly to the poor countries in Africa - the WEF hates blacks unless they can use them. So here we are about 5 years later and Zelensky is still talking about an affiliation with NATO.
HOW FREAKING STUPID CAN HE BE? The war is still going on, people are getting killed every day as a result of his failures and now he wants to NATO protection. That is what he wanted in the first place but as a NATO member, but being protected by NATO and being a member of NATO are hardly different. He is just trying to prolonging the war which is what this war is all about.
what a puppet... what a weak man in a position of powder which he really never had! They Coreographed him to walk about in a compat green T shirt! Did he think he's Che!? Wife on the Vogue Cover? Fame & Fortune in the middle of a catastrophe planned to impversih Europe! They would have lined his pockets with $100 Bills... & he probably thought that the sun will never set! & now , he can see the bus coming & coming his way... the train is leaving.... & all the money laundering that he aided and abbetted to.... All the dead/Killed Young Ukraninas... what a dumb ass.
POS first class!
Put differently, Zelensky's proposed solution is what started the war in the first place?
Exactly!
I don't think his dad Vlad will agree to him marrying NATO.
Russia has not forgotten or forgiven NAZO's aggression against Serbia in defense of NAZO 's al-Qaeda linked Kosovo Liberation Army buddies or its aggression against Libya. NAZO is hell bent on imposing US values of Islamization, child transgenderism and vaccine coercion. Their ain't going be no shotgun wedding.
Agreed. Putin has already stated that Ukraine is NEVER to join NATO.
Go to the video below and click on the "Show More" button:
Calling Putin's Bluff: Defense Sec. Austin Sees No Russian Nuclear Threat
https://www.brighteon.com/1a64f7df-322f-409e-b55d-215cf895512c
I believe this is just delay tactics while NATO countries try to move 100,000 NATO troops into all areas of Ukraine as a "peacekeeping contingent" "...to freeze the Ukrainian conflict in order to restore the combat capability of the Ukrainian Armed Forces for an attempt at revenge."
"NATO is already setting up training centers in Ukraine, where it is expected to train at least a million mobilized Ukrainians , and is also actively working with Western military-industrial companies, demanding investment and sending specialists and equipment to Ukraine."
What did Trump tell Mark Rutte, the head of NATO last week in Mar a Lago? I think this is all bluster from the neocons
Also, just now on RT:
West plotting to ‘occupy’ Ukraine – Russian intel
https://www.rt.com/russia/608376-svr-west-kiev-troops/
Meryl,
Substack won't let me post a reply to you that's longer than just a few lines. I'll post m reply in the main Comments box
Yes they've started doing that.
Lord Let Me In The Lifeboat: Sidney Bechet
https://youtu.be/2Tg5U37XLic
I think there needs to be an election in Ukraine first; the elected head of state can then offer terms to Putin.
How many times will Zelensky write the same peace deal, but using different words?
The people in the ‘occupied' countries voted to join Russia and it’s a done deal. Period. And it was absolutely legal for them to do so because they have the right to self determination. And it was America that set the precedent.
Russia will not accept a ceasefire that gives Ukraine time to rearm. They already did that with the 2 Minsk agreements.
Zelensky won't survive this, it's already over for him - he is desperate and knows, what's coming for him.
THIS IS EXACTLY THE ONE THING PUTIN SAID WAS A RED LINE. HE DOESN'T WANT NATO ON HIS BORDER. THIS WASN'T IN THE PEACE DEAL THEY HAVE STRUCK TWICE SO NOW SUDDENLY ZELENSKY BRING UP THE ONE ISSUE THAT WOULD KILL IT.
Screw Zelensky the Jewtard who acts like he’s looking out for Ukraine.
At least its a start. Ukraine has no money to finance their NATO membership even if it was a good idea - its not. All this destruction and million dead and this could have been done before the st shot was taken. World leaders are stupid.
But, Zelensky has pilfered millions of U.S. taxpayer dollars given to Ukraine; so, if he makes it out of this alive, he will retire in comfort.
Agreed. But the operative word there is "if" ....
F—/ scab first class
Zelensky "further explained that a ceasefire would be essential to ensure Russian President Vladimir Putin would not attempt to reclaim more Ukrainian land, adding that NATO should “immediately” cover the areas still under Kyiv’s control to prevent further Russian advances." Zelensky also talked about Ukraine's 1991 borders which are a myth.
2 points:
1. Putin will not stand for a NATO presence in "areas still under Kyiv's control and
2. Ukraine never fulfilled the UN requirements for there to be an internationally recognized border for Ukraine.
When you have a TV actor playing the role of "President" that is exactly what you have; an "actor" and not a "president."
Time to step down Mr. Actor and let someone "real" take over!
My reply to AwakeNotWoke: "imposing US values of Islamization"? Are you an Islamofascist? Islam must reform itself. And don't complain about the Old Testament or expressing concern about religious-based barbarism that occurred in the past. That's of import solely to historians. What people are concerned about today is today's threats. Most people just want to wake up in their beds and undertake the days tasks without getting blown up or kidnapped or beheaded. You will find in the Bible threats that God will admonish or smite the faithless, but not God commanding the faithful to kill or enslave (through Dhimminitude) peaceful non believers minding their own business. Consider also the quantity and character of Koranic commandments, which are universal by geography; directed to all Muslims; and must be enforced into perpetuity. (nothing like that in Leviticus or Deuteronomy.) Besides, the Koran is considered the direct word from God, unlike the Bible, where Judaic and Christian law are all human interpretations of God's laws. That's partly why islamic institutions and nations reward hate crimes (ie jihad) against infidels, whereas the western religions condemn and outlaw it.
Moreover, jews and christians don't act on any alleged hatedful philosophies in their scriptures. jihadists do. every day. How many rabbis issue fatwas? how many priests put prices on the heads of apostates? 20,000 islamic terrorist attacks within 10 yrs. 50,000 honor killings a year. wife beatings. forced marraiges and clitorectomies by the hundreds of thousands. stoning and beheading. who does this other than muslims adhering to mainstream islam? some hick in tennessee who flips out in the name of god is one individual acting on his own and condemned by the mainstream. In israel, such hatred by jews against those they are at seige against are outlawed as political parties, and jailed if they act on their hate. Same in holland and europe. But in gaza, or west bank, or syria, or yemen, or iran, or lebanon, if you killed christans or jews for being christians or jews, you get a parade honoring you. A school named after you etc.
Where is the "predominant" or "mainstream" islam? Malaysia where they kill apostates; cut off hands of theives; give 20 lashes for blasphemy; and bar israelis from entering their nation? in europe, where they riot and kill jews and cartoonists? "RESENTMENT" is not something you can inflict like a gun shot. Resentment derives from the person who feels inferior. Thus, how dare Israel excel in all areas of science and commerce and economics, thus making islamic nations next door look like utter failures----which they are! How dare the west succeed because of pluralism, freedom and gender equality, secular government, and tolerance etc. Ask yourself WHY was an autocrat like Mubarak in Egypt necessary, while non muslim nations were able to democratize by now? it is because islamists assassinate instead of debate. is it because they run for office and dismantle democracy once elected? see turkey. just like Hitler in 1930. Mubarak was the awful best option compared to islamofacists.
My message to the America haters and neo-anti-war conservative lemmings who are doves because Trump cannot justify being a chicken hawk:
Read about the brave anti war, pro democracy Russians who live in a real police state, as do Iranians, Chinese, and N Koreans:
People of Conscience
November 20, 2024
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/people-of-conscience/
ASK YOURSELF
1. Was Putin SERIOUSLY threatened by encroachments of NATO bases?! For 75 years, NATO has proven to be exclusively a DEFENSIVE alliance among democracies. It's also a non sequitur to punish Ukraine with war crimes because some OTHER nation placed a military base inside its own borders?! By that logic, the U.S. has the right to bomb the civilians in Cuba!
2. If Putin had a valid dispute about territory, why didn't he take the matter to the UN to resolve it? Minsk was a treaty. When treaties are violated, the wronged party brings the dispute to the UN for a resolution. The first step is not to bombard innocent civilians killing hundred of thousands of them!! Are you "anti-war" MAGAs now going to defend China's war on the Philippines?! Or Iran's was against Israel?! Where's your moral authority?
3. It's a war crime to torture civilians, kidnap children and bomb hospitals, schools and apartment buildings?
The axis of aggressors (Russia, Iran, China, and N Korea) will get another wrong message if the US and NATO doesn't back Ulraine. Yes, offer Russia an off ramp while supporting Ukraine. If we learned anything after WWII, it's that it's not in the interests of the US to allow Russia to gobble up territory merely because you guys claim Minsk was violated. Putin uses that as a pretext. What he really wants is to make Russia great again, by re-acquiring the Eastern bloc territories, yet again by brutality.