Make Election Day a Federal Holiday, paper hand counted ballots, in-person voting with proof of residence and citizenship, disabled persons must be certified by their physician to vote by absentee ballot, polls open 6:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Do not allow msm coverage of results until all polls, including Alaska and Hawaii, are closed.
Good ones! If Rosa Parks day is now a holiday, change that to Election Day. Medicare requires 1 in-person visit per year, so make the “disabled” an annual certification. Prevent “calling elections” before all polls are closed because we can’t control social media.
Zero information, regarding the status of the election, should be given to anyone including social media. until all polls are closed. I like your suggestion to make “disabled” an annual certification. If a disabled person can leave their home, they can vote in person. Have a special line for them. “Home bound” disabled should be able to vote by absentee ballot.
Extra layer of protection, someone above said they won't matter if you handcount them within hours, but why have one lock on your door when you can have two?
Bill needs a provision for college students to vote absentee from their home base (not the university town) if they so choose. Also need a means to vote for people away on business travel, at funerals, away for winter vacations (e.g., northerners who flew South), etc.
Don't the rules we have to return to, have to be the rules that are written in the Constitution? If the Constitution is changed, doesn't it have to be amended?
"In the 1980s, people concerned about democracy noticed that U.S. voter turnout rates were significantly lower than in other established democracies. Some states relaxed their voting requirements to encourage more people to vote.
"Increasing access to voting by absentee ballot was one strategy. Today, more people vote by absentee ballot. According to the MIT Election Data Science Lab, absentee voting increased from 7.5% in 1992 to 21.1% in 2016.
"Ultimately, these numbers show an increase in participation in democracy. - 'plus some cheating [fixed it for you].'"
ALSO, scroll down!!! There are 25 states with no-Excuse Absebtee Ballots now!!! WOW!!
Do we pledge allegiance to the flag for which our democracy stands? Or, is our pledge to the Republic for which it stands?
Tench Coxe in 1787 (at our founding he was more influential than Madison, Hamilton, and Jay) said of the guaranteed Republican form of Article IV Section 4 Clause 1, that those who should change that form shall be guilty of High Treason.
That shows you how far Cornell and Findlaw have fallen into the tyranny of man that consumes us?
I agree. Obviously most people don't take their vote that seriously, even myself, if I was sick or injured or out hiking in the wilderness, I'm not going to whine about not being able to vote, nor would I even give a damn. The probability that your failure to vote will change anything is just too low to get excited about. But you should vote if it is reasonably convenient, as it should be, keyword here is reasonably.
What helps a whole lot is just what the bill states, small precincts @ the neighborhood level. Vote with little or no line-ups at the closest school or church. Votes tallied at each precinct by hand = fast reliable results. Each precinct reports its results directly to a central tabulating station and to a public website, full transparency. That makes it far easier to prevent shenanigans from happening. Granular data, readily available. And with that method you should have election results within one hour of polls closing. No one week or two week delays.
I'd like NO automatic voter registration. If someone can't get off the couch enough to provide proof of citizenship and intent to vote, then let's be charitable to them and not let them vote against their will.
CA has a month! The House seats that flipped blue in red districts only did so about a month post election. Same with unpopular ballot proposals. Well gollygee, that prop DID pass! /s 😣
I disagree. It's a privilege to vote and if it's important enough you should be present to vote. Come "home" you must no exceptions. It becomes a slippery slope otherwise and everyone starts asking for exceptions. Period.
Exactly. Those so distressed over possibly missing an election, and so asking for more carve outs to get a perfect voting system where nobody ever misses out but nobody cheats are aiming for the impossible. Secure elections are far more important than being able to vote if you happen to be out of town. The crafters of this bill know it's not ideal for legitimate voters to miss out, but also know that's a trade we must make.
SteelJ. Spot on. I forgot to mention also it ONLY happens ONE TIME EVERY FOUR YEARS for presidential and one time every two years (midterms) which by past history most people can't be bothered with on a consistent basis. Lastly. We expect our representatives to be present we must practice what we preach!! Act like an American and man up!!
Crawling to your polling place will be easier with this bill. Precincts are limited to 1,500 registered voters which currently averages a 5,000 population. There are nominally 177,000 precincts in America.
William Blackstone, the legal scholar most quoted by our founders, labeled those voting areas as the most "minute districts" (My Nute)
no it is not a privilege. We have this piece of paper known as the Constitution, and it enshrined rights that citizens have. Driving on the motorways is also a right and not a privilege despite was the DMV maintains.
O.k. truth seeker you take that mandated shot as a enshrined citizen too because it's "others" "right" to be "protected" at my expense. Just because it's your enshrined "right" is NOT over the bodies of others.
Rebecca, you have the God-given unalienable Rights (among others) to Life, Liberty, [Property], and the pursuit of Happiness. (2nd sentence of 1st law of 1776)
No one must sacrifice their life to protect another person.
as a college student living in the town the college was in and being directly affected by local legislation, I always voted where I lived at when elections came around
College students have a choice. When I was in college, I mostly stayed on the (large) campus ("gown") and did not mix in with "town" activites. I wanted to vote from my home town (in another state), from which I had a driver's license, paid taxes, and returned home on vacations and summers (incl summer job).
If one person votes twice, that is wrong. Not sure if it is a felony - if a very young person (18) is mixed up, possibly he/she gets a warning? Or maybe a felony? Depends on the state laws.
All votes including absentee should be tabulated at the polls and nowhere else! In Quincy, MA elections wins are flipped from Republican to Democrat after the polls close on election night once the votes that are tabulated in the privacy of Democrat run City Hall basement are added to the final polling numbers.
Definitely, 100%, that is far more important than people realize. And with that method there is no excuse for results not to be available within 2 hrs of polls closing. The key is small sized precincts, at the closest neighborhood school or church. And if it costs a bit more to do it that way, that expense is a triviality, well worth paying even if it was a 100X more costly.
This is pretty much how it works in Costa Rica, where I live. The government provides a citizen ID card for free, which you need for everything anyway. If you are not in your local town where you stated you live when you got your ID card, you travel to that town or do not vote. Many political parties transport folks.
This last election showed no military votes from out of the country.... wonder if they were ever counted... they would have been 99% Trump! The Biden cult said they had been mailed too late....
I like most of these except maybe for a few exceptions like Americans working or living abroad and people not living in their registered state or county. But if you vote you should still be able to prove with picture ID to someone that you are a legal citizen of the USA.
No it won't. Too many people like the commenters here who want expanded mail in ballots. They seem to prefer massive Democrat cheating to missing out on their personal vote. Expanded mail in voting means more cheating. Somehow they don't understand that.
Back to the old days and the way it should be. Employers used to give election day, or part of that day off so that workers could go to the polling place and cast their vote.
Mailed ballots are restricted to active-duty military personnel stationed away from their jurisdiction and voters with physician-certified medical conditions preventing in-person voting."
Doesn't allow missionaries, people away for funerals and business travel, etc. to vote? I voted by mail from Germany in 1976. This provision seems a bit draconian. Sorry, can't quite like.
It would be great to have totally secure absentee ballots so nobody is ever disenfranchised. We don't live in such a perfect world. I'm pretty sure Sessions and the others behind this bill thought of your objections. After all your objections are obvious and totally valid. But they opted to follow the KISS principle. For good reason. The perfect is the enemy of the good. If I'm out of town, I don't vote. I'll trade that loss for secure elections any day.
Missionaries and other official groups (like military contractors) could be included in the mail in. But the business travel, funerals, etc are too easy to manipulate. Most could work around with 3 days, esp if election day was a federal holiday.
Prepare for a category five shit storm from the left. Why, how dare we reinstate honesty in America. What nerve we have. Hurumph. Next thing you know everyone must speak English and recognize only two sexes. We are wading into deep kimchee for sure. 🖕🏻🤭
So, it's your position that, in order to solve a nonexistent problem, if I and my fellow disabled citizens want to vote we must obtain a passport, with the not inconsiderable expense and difficulty involved, then show up at the appropriate polling place, assuming it's fully accessible, to vote instead of being able to mail in our ballots?
And what about that section you seem to have missed where the name on the proof of citizenship must match the name on the birth certificate? If my state opts to disallow marriage licenses as proof of identity, does that mean I and my fellow married women don't get to vote at all?
Not at all. There is no evidence supporting the Republican Party contention millions of noncitizens are voting in elections. None. Zero. Zip. There is, however, considerable evidence that the party's ongoing attacks on eligible voters on the basis of their myth has removed several million actual citizens from the rolls. You could be next.
I'm sure the cognitive dissonance generated by what I just wrote will cause immediate rejection, because that's what the best propaganda is designed to do. It's fine if you do, because it won't change either the facts or reality; and there may be one or two people willing to go research the subject and realize why that bill our hostess is so gung-ho about is, in fact, a first step toward reversing 100 years of suffrage gains to once again limit voting to white male property owners.
WADR Liz, stop and think about CA where illegals are registered to vote when they get their DL’s. We can print our own ballots and envelopes under the “remote access” program. It was started for the disabled (who can’t get their mail anymore?? /s) but suddenly this year, okay for anyone to use. Ask yourself why it took a month for two House seats in red districts to flip blue, “by the slimmest of margins.” Seriously? BTW, it’s not just conservatives who believe we need secure elections. It’s just that the D’s benefit the most so they don’t complain.
Facts help. And to put the icing on the cak…er, cookie, the Ohio bakery cookie poll was only “wrong” once since the 1980s. That was 2020.🤣 Cookie sales even predicted the 2024 landslide.
As to your last point, marriage licenses do not require any form of citizenship requirement, do they? IDK, but it’s actually easy to verify your legal name after marriage.
Well if you look at the # of votes Bidenski got in 2020, vs the fact that apart from 2020 Democrat votes were very stable, 20M voters came out of nowhere for a brain dead candidate. Add to that there is massive amounts of evidence of non-citizen voters, you don't know what you are talking about.
Liz really? "100s of years". Bring the receipts. If you actually looked into your self proclaimed "myths" yourself you'd fine they have democrat origin of removing names as well as absolute evidence your "zero zip none" has democrat fingerprints. It's the long game...first evidenced by illegal immigration. But you brought it up. Bring the receipts!!
No cognitive dissonance here. So much evidence…. and it’s likely to be revealed. What’s not true, of course is that actual citizens have been removed from the rolls.
There were so many “irregularities” in AZ during the Nov 2022 election, that Republican County Supervisors Tom Crosby and Peggy Judd, Stevens were prepared to count ballots by hand. A judge stopped it and forced them to sign off on the results over their legitimate objections.
Obtaining a passport is a small price to pay to insure everyones' vote counts. We are not the only country to have tried mass mail in voting and found it vulnerable to fraud. Some reading on the subject: "Why do most countries ban mail-in ballots?: They have seen massive vote fraud problems" .John R. Lott, Jr. President Crime Prevention Research Center 2020, and https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3756988
Most other countries also make it as easy as possible for people to vote, a point those opposing mail-in ballots invariably choose not to mention. Here in the US, to the contrary, entire sections of major cities are denied sufficient polling sites, polling site hours are strictly limited, and casting votes in rural areas can require literally hours of travel time.
See, that's the danger of posting propaganda hoping the target will stop after reading the headline. You risk running into someone who's already studied the subject.
Ojh, and "obtaining a passport is a small price to pay" has to be one of the most privileged examples of elitist thinking I've seen today. Congratulations.
The problems you mention, where and if they exist, can be addressed much more readily than the problems with mail in voting and electronic voting machines which are vulnerable on multiple fronts. Humans are not infallible which is why it is unwise to open the door wider than it needs to be. We have many problems with securing elections, ie cleaning voter rolls, making sure donations are legit, and stopping censorship of pertinent news because of partisanship, to mention a few. To hear some speak you would think we live in a world of Honest Abes. It is unfortunate that there was so much propaganda about the 2020 election being the most "safe and secure." before there had even been time to investigate. That alone should have been a warning to anyone awake and not unduly partisan. This is not about Donald Trump, it is about the sanctity of our elections going forward. Secure elections are the cornerstone of the Constitution without which we do not have a country. Everyone should be onboard, because we can't trade in a more secure method of voting because some are affected. We can only help those who are.
Again the key is small precincts widely distributed, small lineups if any, far, far more important than the things you mention. Personally I won't stand in a long lineup to vote, screw that, that is a major impediment to voting. Small precincts. No need for lineups.
Apart from that mail-in can be done, but only if it is done in an utterly incontrovertible method. And discouraged. Numbers should be a small percentage of total votes.
I don’t argue about facts with those who don’t have any. Our colleague Adrian is simply repeating the same tired arguments conservatives haul out thinking they can gaslight their audience with their eloquence, but you’ll note there’s no reference to any actual information included. And yes, saying obtaining a passport is easy when there are eligible voters who are struggling to buy food is the epitome of elitism. Unless, of course, you’re of the opinion poor people have no right to vote.
Liz. Yes thank you for giving addl evidence to my point. Instead of complaining and being victimized, come up with or collaborate a solution instead of just complaining that someone else has more than you so they MUST give part of their hard earned "living" to you. It's a tired worn out entitled attitude.
Check with your state. People can get a non-driver ID at Motor Vehicle Administration. Staff will shoot your photo and give you a card with name, address and birth date. These are accepted everywhere. Very old people who gave up driving, tend to carry an MVA non-driver ID. But a few younger people have them also.
HI LIz - You mostly make good points. However, read the original article. It said
"2. Voter ID and Citizenship Requirements
"The bill requires every voter to present a government-issued photo ID – such as a driver’s license, passport, or military ID – and sign an affidavit in the paper poll book affirming U.S. citizenship and single-voting intent under penalty of felony charges."
Author of the article says a driver's license is adequate identification for voting. So a non-driver photo ID from the MVA is also adequate.
What the bill says and how it will be implemented at the state level are two different things, and the SCOTUS has ruled each state can establish its own election rules. My response addresses THAT, not what's in the bill as presented.
in Missouri a passport costs something like $145 after fees. too rich for my blood since I can't afford interstate travel much less international travel.
free would be lovely. $11 isn't prohibitive for most, but I'm sure the government would be happy to spend $10 for every $5 in actual cost and provide them to the desperate at no charge.
readily accessible? the DMV may suck but it's readily accessible. ADA accessible even.
There exists proof that the Georgia State Board of Elections (SBOE) created illegal cloned voter IDs in the thousands, capable of being activated to create certifiable voters in an election fraud scheme consistent with embedding cryptographic codes in SBOE voter registration databases. As reported on website, GodsFiveStones.com, Andrew Paquette, Ph.D., discovered these algorithms in New York, Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Arizona and will report on New Jersey, Texas, and Hawaii.
Because the Georgia SBOE gives the illegitimate clone voters legitimate Georgia SBOE ID numbers, the cloned votes are certifiable. See how easy it is to create your so called “nonexistent” problem?
I would be very interested in reviewing that proof. Since you’re aware of it, I presume you have access to the actual documents and data reviewed by Dr. Paquette so we can verify his allegations, since none of it is available on the website you listed. I also can’t seem to find any support for those allegations anywhere; one would think showing the evidence widely would be standard procedure.
Make Election Day a Federal Holiday, paper hand counted ballots, in-person voting with proof of residence and citizenship, disabled persons must be certified by their physician to vote by absentee ballot, polls open 6:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Do not allow msm coverage of results until all polls, including Alaska and Hawaii, are closed.
Good ones! If Rosa Parks day is now a holiday, change that to Election Day. Medicare requires 1 in-person visit per year, so make the “disabled” an annual certification. Prevent “calling elections” before all polls are closed because we can’t control social media.
Zero information, regarding the status of the election, should be given to anyone including social media. until all polls are closed. I like your suggestion to make “disabled” an annual certification. If a disabled person can leave their home, they can vote in person. Have a special line for them. “Home bound” disabled should be able to vote by absentee ballot.
Mandatory exit polls as well.
Why exit polls?
Extra layer of protection, someone above said they won't matter if you handcount them within hours, but why have one lock on your door when you can have two?
Paper ballots counted within hours makes exit polling un-necessary.
Bill needs a provision for college students to vote absentee from their home base (not the university town) if they so choose. Also need a means to vote for people away on business travel, at funerals, away for winter vacations (e.g., northerners who flew South), etc.
Once you start carving out exceptions it's the slippery slope. If I'm out of town, I miss out. I'll trade that any day for secure elections.
These are reasons why absentee voting was allowed for over 50 years. Go back to old rules. Do not become more punitive.
That was before Democrats became so inclined to cheat and so good at it.
You mean since founding the party?
Don't the rules we have to return to, have to be the rules that are written in the Constitution? If the Constitution is changed, doesn't it have to be amended?
Baltimore student do elaborate. "Go back to old rules". What are you referring to please?
Rules vary by state. See https://www.findlaw.com/voting/my-voting-guide/absentee-voting-laws.html . Cornell and findlaw have tured lefty lately.
They say: "History of Absentee Voting
"In the 1980s, people concerned about democracy noticed that U.S. voter turnout rates were significantly lower than in other established democracies. Some states relaxed their voting requirements to encourage more people to vote.
"Increasing access to voting by absentee ballot was one strategy. Today, more people vote by absentee ballot. According to the MIT Election Data Science Lab, absentee voting increased from 7.5% in 1992 to 21.1% in 2016.
"Ultimately, these numbers show an increase in participation in democracy. - 'plus some cheating [fixed it for you].'"
ALSO, scroll down!!! There are 25 states with no-Excuse Absebtee Ballots now!!! WOW!!
Do we pledge allegiance to the flag for which our democracy stands? Or, is our pledge to the Republic for which it stands?
Tench Coxe in 1787 (at our founding he was more influential than Madison, Hamilton, and Jay) said of the guaranteed Republican form of Article IV Section 4 Clause 1, that those who should change that form shall be guilty of High Treason.
That shows you how far Cornell and Findlaw have fallen into the tyranny of man that consumes us?
I agree. Obviously most people don't take their vote that seriously, even myself, if I was sick or injured or out hiking in the wilderness, I'm not going to whine about not being able to vote, nor would I even give a damn. The probability that your failure to vote will change anything is just too low to get excited about. But you should vote if it is reasonably convenient, as it should be, keyword here is reasonably.
What helps a whole lot is just what the bill states, small precincts @ the neighborhood level. Vote with little or no line-ups at the closest school or church. Votes tallied at each precinct by hand = fast reliable results. Each precinct reports its results directly to a central tabulating station and to a public website, full transparency. That makes it far easier to prevent shenanigans from happening. Granular data, readily available. And with that method you should have election results within one hour of polls closing. No one week or two week delays.
I'd like NO automatic voter registration. If someone can't get off the couch enough to provide proof of citizenship and intent to vote, then let's be charitable to them and not let them vote against their will.
All good points.
CA has a month! The House seats that flipped blue in red districts only did so about a month post election. Same with unpopular ballot proposals. Well gollygee, that prop DID pass! /s 😣
Where is convenient written in the laws to which everyone who swears an oath swears?
I disagree. It's a privilege to vote and if it's important enough you should be present to vote. Come "home" you must no exceptions. It becomes a slippery slope otherwise and everyone starts asking for exceptions. Period.
Exactly. Those so distressed over possibly missing an election, and so asking for more carve outs to get a perfect voting system where nobody ever misses out but nobody cheats are aiming for the impossible. Secure elections are far more important than being able to vote if you happen to be out of town. The crafters of this bill know it's not ideal for legitimate voters to miss out, but also know that's a trade we must make.
SteelJ. Spot on. I forgot to mention also it ONLY happens ONE TIME EVERY FOUR YEARS for presidential and one time every two years (midterms) which by past history most people can't be bothered with on a consistent basis. Lastly. We expect our representatives to be present we must practice what we preach!! Act like an American and man up!!
Agree! I would have crawled to the polling station with a broken leg on Nov 5th.
Fred! Kudos! You are the poster child for fighting voter fraud and patriotism at the same time!! Land of the free and home of the brave!!
Crawling to your polling place will be easier with this bill. Precincts are limited to 1,500 registered voters which currently averages a 5,000 population. There are nominally 177,000 precincts in America.
William Blackstone, the legal scholar most quoted by our founders, labeled those voting areas as the most "minute districts" (My Nute)
no it is not a privilege. We have this piece of paper known as the Constitution, and it enshrined rights that citizens have. Driving on the motorways is also a right and not a privilege despite was the DMV maintains.
O.k. truth seeker you take that mandated shot as a enshrined citizen too because it's "others" "right" to be "protected" at my expense. Just because it's your enshrined "right" is NOT over the bodies of others.
Rebecca, you have the God-given unalienable Rights (among others) to Life, Liberty, [Property], and the pursuit of Happiness. (2nd sentence of 1st law of 1776)
No one must sacrifice their life to protect another person.
"...pursuit of Happiness."
Baloney. To believe that we exist to be happy or to pursue such a thing is an infantile, though seductive, concept.
The evidence is that we are here to struggle and to beget more strugglers. Prove me wrong.
I believe those who wrote our Constitution considered voting a duty?
They were mostly a collection of financially elite con artists and few had much if tolerance for democracy or voting, in fact.
as a college student living in the town the college was in and being directly affected by local legislation, I always voted where I lived at when elections came around
College students have a choice. When I was in college, I mostly stayed on the (large) campus ("gown") and did not mix in with "town" activites. I wanted to vote from my home town (in another state), from which I had a driver's license, paid taxes, and returned home on vacations and summers (incl summer job).
Where is it written in foundational documents that students have a choice of where to vote?
You have a choice to register where you live; that is where you vote on paper and where you sign your name on a paper poll book.
Right now, many students vote in both places.
Thank you Fred!
You bring to mind a CRITICAL REASON for a single day of voting!
That is why Constitutional law says voting is on election day.
Do you mean a large fraction now votes near the college and an opposite fraction votes from their home town? Or that one student votes twice?
Students can register to vote where they attend college and also vote absentee from their home state (of course, if they’re different).
But each student can only vote once. So pick whether vote in hte college town or back home.
Who checks across state lines? Our family member could easily have voted twice, and no one the wiser.
If they sign paper poll books in two plsces for one election, could that be prosecuted as a felony?
If one person votes twice, that is wrong. Not sure if it is a felony - if a very young person (18) is mixed up, possibly he/she gets a warning? Or maybe a felony? Depends on the state laws.
All votes including absentee should be tabulated at the polls and nowhere else! In Quincy, MA elections wins are flipped from Republican to Democrat after the polls close on election night once the votes that are tabulated in the privacy of Democrat run City Hall basement are added to the final polling numbers.
Definitely, 100%, that is far more important than people realize. And with that method there is no excuse for results not to be available within 2 hrs of polls closing. The key is small sized precincts, at the closest neighborhood school or church. And if it costs a bit more to do it that way, that expense is a triviality, well worth paying even if it was a 100X more costly.
THANK YOU SMITH FS
This is a very important discussion. How do I save it for presentation in my Commissioners Court.?
This is pretty much how it works in Costa Rica, where I live. The government provides a citizen ID card for free, which you need for everything anyway. If you are not in your local town where you stated you live when you got your ID card, you travel to that town or do not vote. Many political parties transport folks.
Excellent! My suggestion was free easily obtainable passports, but a difficult to fabricate ID would work.
Nothing is foolproof, but anything would be an improvement.
This last election showed no military votes from out of the country.... wonder if they were ever counted... they would have been 99% Trump! The Biden cult said they had been mailed too late....
Didn’t hear that. Thanks. 😡
I like most of these except maybe for a few exceptions like Americans working or living abroad and people not living in their registered state or county. But if you vote you should still be able to prove with picture ID to someone that you are a legal citizen of the USA.
Yes! We so need this! I think it will pass with flying colors. I'm an optimist too!
No it won't. Too many people like the commenters here who want expanded mail in ballots. They seem to prefer massive Democrat cheating to missing out on their personal vote. Expanded mail in voting means more cheating. Somehow they don't understand that.
I still think there are more who do want this than who don't and that we outnumber them. At least I hope so.
I hope you're right but doubt it. We'll see.
Back to the old days and the way it should be. Employers used to give election day, or part of that day off so that workers could go to the polling place and cast their vote.
Or change the new Rosa Parks day to election day? We don’t need two more federal holidays.
"4. Limited Mailed Ballots
Mailed ballots are restricted to active-duty military personnel stationed away from their jurisdiction and voters with physician-certified medical conditions preventing in-person voting."
Doesn't allow missionaries, people away for funerals and business travel, etc. to vote? I voted by mail from Germany in 1976. This provision seems a bit draconian. Sorry, can't quite like.
That attitude results in making cheating easier. You're not willing to miss an occasional election in return for secure elections? I sure am.
Overkill. Just require the absentee ballot be directly (each time) and securely requested. Are you implying fake voters use fake secure ID?
It would be great to have totally secure absentee ballots so nobody is ever disenfranchised. We don't live in such a perfect world. I'm pretty sure Sessions and the others behind this bill thought of your objections. After all your objections are obvious and totally valid. But they opted to follow the KISS principle. For good reason. The perfect is the enemy of the good. If I'm out of town, I don't vote. I'll trade that loss for secure elections any day.
Missionaries and other official groups (like military contractors) could be included in the mail in. But the business travel, funerals, etc are too easy to manipulate. Most could work around with 3 days, esp if election day was a federal holiday.
Excellent.
Let’s get it it passed and return to integrity voting🎉
Prepare for a category five shit storm from the left. Why, how dare we reinstate honesty in America. What nerve we have. Hurumph. Next thing you know everyone must speak English and recognize only two sexes. We are wading into deep kimchee for sure. 🖕🏻🤭
And all tabulation all the way to the last one must be manual as well. Absolutely no computers.
what i want is my own receipt with the candidates that i voted for.
So, it's your position that, in order to solve a nonexistent problem, if I and my fellow disabled citizens want to vote we must obtain a passport, with the not inconsiderable expense and difficulty involved, then show up at the appropriate polling place, assuming it's fully accessible, to vote instead of being able to mail in our ballots?
And what about that section you seem to have missed where the name on the proof of citizenship must match the name on the birth certificate? If my state opts to disallow marriage licenses as proof of identity, does that mean I and my fellow married women don't get to vote at all?
Hahaha! Nonexistent problem. Are you being ironic?
Not at all. There is no evidence supporting the Republican Party contention millions of noncitizens are voting in elections. None. Zero. Zip. There is, however, considerable evidence that the party's ongoing attacks on eligible voters on the basis of their myth has removed several million actual citizens from the rolls. You could be next.
I'm sure the cognitive dissonance generated by what I just wrote will cause immediate rejection, because that's what the best propaganda is designed to do. It's fine if you do, because it won't change either the facts or reality; and there may be one or two people willing to go research the subject and realize why that bill our hostess is so gung-ho about is, in fact, a first step toward reversing 100 years of suffrage gains to once again limit voting to white male property owners.
WADR Liz, stop and think about CA where illegals are registered to vote when they get their DL’s. We can print our own ballots and envelopes under the “remote access” program. It was started for the disabled (who can’t get their mail anymore?? /s) but suddenly this year, okay for anyone to use. Ask yourself why it took a month for two House seats in red districts to flip blue, “by the slimmest of margins.” Seriously? BTW, it’s not just conservatives who believe we need secure elections. It’s just that the D’s benefit the most so they don’t complain.
Objective data:
https://lidblog.com/2020-election-is-deeply-puzzling/
https://www.westernjournal.com/gen-flynn-exclusive-10-indisputable-facts-2020-election-argue-audits/
Facts help. And to put the icing on the cak…er, cookie, the Ohio bakery cookie poll was only “wrong” once since the 1980s. That was 2020.🤣 Cookie sales even predicted the 2024 landslide.
As to your last point, marriage licenses do not require any form of citizenship requirement, do they? IDK, but it’s actually easy to verify your legal name after marriage.
Well if you look at the # of votes Bidenski got in 2020, vs the fact that apart from 2020 Democrat votes were very stable, 20M voters came out of nowhere for a brain dead candidate. Add to that there is massive amounts of evidence of non-citizen voters, you don't know what you are talking about.
Yep, 81M votes for the basement guy. Even the D’s were wondering why, with the great 2024 turnouts, those votes disappeared.
Liz really? "100s of years". Bring the receipts. If you actually looked into your self proclaimed "myths" yourself you'd fine they have democrat origin of removing names as well as absolute evidence your "zero zip none" has democrat fingerprints. It's the long game...first evidenced by illegal immigration. But you brought it up. Bring the receipts!!
No cognitive dissonance here. So much evidence…. and it’s likely to be revealed. What’s not true, of course is that actual citizens have been removed from the rolls.
Your declaration no actual citizens have been removed is the definition of cognitive dissonance, luv.
There were so many “irregularities” in AZ during the Nov 2022 election, that Republican County Supervisors Tom Crosby and Peggy Judd, Stevens were prepared to count ballots by hand. A judge stopped it and forced them to sign off on the results over their legitimate objections.
Irregularities according to whom, Fred? It always seems those “irregularities” only show up when the Republican candidates lose.
Obtaining a passport is a small price to pay to insure everyones' vote counts. We are not the only country to have tried mass mail in voting and found it vulnerable to fraud. Some reading on the subject: "Why do most countries ban mail-in ballots?: They have seen massive vote fraud problems" .John R. Lott, Jr. President Crime Prevention Research Center 2020, and https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3756988
Most other countries also make it as easy as possible for people to vote, a point those opposing mail-in ballots invariably choose not to mention. Here in the US, to the contrary, entire sections of major cities are denied sufficient polling sites, polling site hours are strictly limited, and casting votes in rural areas can require literally hours of travel time.
See, that's the danger of posting propaganda hoping the target will stop after reading the headline. You risk running into someone who's already studied the subject.
Ojh, and "obtaining a passport is a small price to pay" has to be one of the most privileged examples of elitist thinking I've seen today. Congratulations.
The problems you mention, where and if they exist, can be addressed much more readily than the problems with mail in voting and electronic voting machines which are vulnerable on multiple fronts. Humans are not infallible which is why it is unwise to open the door wider than it needs to be. We have many problems with securing elections, ie cleaning voter rolls, making sure donations are legit, and stopping censorship of pertinent news because of partisanship, to mention a few. To hear some speak you would think we live in a world of Honest Abes. It is unfortunate that there was so much propaganda about the 2020 election being the most "safe and secure." before there had even been time to investigate. That alone should have been a warning to anyone awake and not unduly partisan. This is not about Donald Trump, it is about the sanctity of our elections going forward. Secure elections are the cornerstone of the Constitution without which we do not have a country. Everyone should be onboard, because we can't trade in a more secure method of voting because some are affected. We can only help those who are.
Again the key is small precincts widely distributed, small lineups if any, far, far more important than the things you mention. Personally I won't stand in a long lineup to vote, screw that, that is a major impediment to voting. Small precincts. No need for lineups.
Apart from that mail-in can be done, but only if it is done in an utterly incontrovertible method. And discouraged. Numbers should be a small percentage of total votes.
Liz... "elitist"? Always come from a person with no argument other than I'm unique and entitled.
I don’t argue about facts with those who don’t have any. Our colleague Adrian is simply repeating the same tired arguments conservatives haul out thinking they can gaslight their audience with their eloquence, but you’ll note there’s no reference to any actual information included. And yes, saying obtaining a passport is easy when there are eligible voters who are struggling to buy food is the epitome of elitism. Unless, of course, you’re of the opinion poor people have no right to vote.
Liz. Yes thank you for giving addl evidence to my point. Instead of complaining and being victimized, come up with or collaborate a solution instead of just complaining that someone else has more than you so they MUST give part of their hard earned "living" to you. It's a tired worn out entitled attitude.
Rebecca, dear heart, I don’t know who you’re responding to, but it certainly isn’t me.
Check with your state. People can get a non-driver ID at Motor Vehicle Administration. Staff will shoot your photo and give you a card with name, address and birth date. These are accepted everywhere. Very old people who gave up driving, tend to carry an MVA non-driver ID. But a few younger people have them also.
Getting a photo ID isn't relevant to the point, luv. Please take a moment and read my original response.
HI LIz - You mostly make good points. However, read the original article. It said
"2. Voter ID and Citizenship Requirements
"The bill requires every voter to present a government-issued photo ID – such as a driver’s license, passport, or military ID – and sign an affidavit in the paper poll book affirming U.S. citizenship and single-voting intent under penalty of felony charges."
Author of the article says a driver's license is adequate identification for voting. So a non-driver photo ID from the MVA is also adequate.
What the bill says and how it will be implemented at the state level are two different things, and the SCOTUS has ruled each state can establish its own election rules. My response addresses THAT, not what's in the bill as presented.
Iiz. you can't possibly know what your state is going to do until they do it. You're arguing a nonexistent problem.
That needs to change. CA and other states provide DL’s to illegals, and register them to vote at the same time.
in Missouri a passport costs something like $145 after fees. too rich for my blood since I can't afford interstate travel much less international travel.
but a non driver state ID is $11.
Hence our suggestions for a free and readily accessible voter ID.
free would be lovely. $11 isn't prohibitive for most, but I'm sure the government would be happy to spend $10 for every $5 in actual cost and provide them to the desperate at no charge.
readily accessible? the DMV may suck but it's readily accessible. ADA accessible even.
There exists proof that the Georgia State Board of Elections (SBOE) created illegal cloned voter IDs in the thousands, capable of being activated to create certifiable voters in an election fraud scheme consistent with embedding cryptographic codes in SBOE voter registration databases. As reported on website, GodsFiveStones.com, Andrew Paquette, Ph.D., discovered these algorithms in New York, Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Arizona and will report on New Jersey, Texas, and Hawaii.
Because the Georgia SBOE gives the illegitimate clone voters legitimate Georgia SBOE ID numbers, the cloned votes are certifiable. See how easy it is to create your so called “nonexistent” problem?
I would be very interested in reviewing that proof. Since you’re aware of it, I presume you have access to the actual documents and data reviewed by Dr. Paquette so we can verify his allegations, since none of it is available on the website you listed. I also can’t seem to find any support for those allegations anywhere; one would think showing the evidence widely would be standard procedure.
If you read the comments, those obstacles can be easily overcome. You raise some good points; welcome to the discussion.
YesLiz z Burton that is exactly what it means!!
We can hope!