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My good friend and excellent scientist/physician Michael Palmer wrote the following, with which I agree:

The very discovery of viruses arose from the observation of contagion and experimental transmission -- the infectious agent could not be seen under the light microscope and could not be removed from the infectious material by filtration; but the reliable transmission and the characteristic symptoms that arose in the experimentally infected animals or plants had led to the recognition of many different viruses, even before the first viral particles were actually visualized.

In 1937, the virologist Thomas Rivers wrote:

"The exact nature of these agents is not known; some may be the midgets of the microbial universe, others may represent forms of life unfamiliar to us, while still others may be inanimate incitants of disease. Regardless of lack of complete knowledge of their nature, it is decidedly incorrect to say that these agents are unknown. The incitants of smallpox, vaccinia, poliomyelitis, yellow fever, fowl plague and tobacco mosaic are known; they can be recognized or identified in a variety of ways; they can be separated one from another and from other kinds of infectious agents; they can be used for extensive experiments conducted either in vivo or in vitro."

Rivers, T.M. (1937) Viruses and Koch's Postulates. J. Bacteriol. 33:1-12 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=16559982

Two years later appeared the first study showing viral particles (tobacco mosaic virus) in the electron microscope. As you know, there is meanwhile a plethora of EM studies showing such particles in vivo and in vitro. Nowadays we even have crystal structures of some viruses. This paper reports the crystal structure of the complete Hepatitis A virus particle:

Wang, X. et al. (2014) Hepatitis A virus and the origins of picornaviruses. Nature 517:85-88 http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature13806

As you know, crystallization is not only good for obtaining structures, but also an excellent purification method. In such crystals, the virus particles are present as highly pure and concentrated as is practically feasible. Therefore, these crystals should be acceptable to both sides as sample materials.

If you want to convince me that these particles are not viruses and are not related to the disease (hepatitis A), please do the following:

1. obtain such particles from the excrement of healthy persons,

2. crystallize them and demonstrate that they are equivalent in every respect to those reported in the above study,

3. take a spoonful of those crystals and don't fall sick with hepatitis A. Should you already have immunity to the disease, please find a non-immune volunteer to take your place.

You see, both sides can play the game of "demanding proof."

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Hello!! Dr. Palmer!! Just so we are on the same page please cite the original paper claiming to have isolated the tobacco mosaic virus. Will go through it with a fine tooth comb tomorrow along with wanger and get back to you.

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Speaking of your "excellent scientist" friend, I'm still waiting for his promised reply to my response to his yes-virus claims:

https://christinemasseyfois.substack.com/p/some-responses-to-bhakdi-and-palmers

Interestingly he deleted my comments under his response to Torsten Engelbrecht, something I have never done under any of my dozens of articles:

https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/2024-06-22-my-comments-deleted-by-Palmer.pdf

As I explained to him, story-telling and reification fallacies don't cut it, Meryl - not when it comes to "viruses" or claims of contagion. And any scientist realizes that exposing animals in an unnatural manner makes an experiment invalid, as does the lack of a valid independent variable (purified particles suspected of being a "virus"). And you have no excuse at this point for not being aware of the many failed attempts at demonstrating transmission of symptoms even via bogus methods (injection of brews never shown to contain a particle claimed to be a "virus" with the purported genome and proteins). Or the Rosenau Spanish flu study.

And frankly anyone should realize that pointing at tiny particles doesn't make them "viruses" and isn't evidence that they are. I can point at a man in a red suit at the mall and insist that he's Santa but that isn't valid evidence that he is. It's just more story-telling and we're too old for this nonsense.

Not buying into your inane attempt at reversing the burden of proof or demanding that I conduct experiments (although I do agree with your characterization of your attempt as "playing a game").

Those making the positive claim have the burden. And I see that you've cited zero scientific studies.... as usual and just like all the other "virus" story-tellers.

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p.s. It's pretty funny that you write "I have a lot of unique information on monkeypox and bird flu, and I've made over 50 slides for each" but don't even attempt to cite evidence of either "virus", even when challenged to.

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That's the power of PowerPoint: it absolves you of the need to cite evidence.

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Brilliant!! Im still waiting for Dr. Palmer‘s paper on the tobacco mosaic ‘virus‘ for Meryls article on birdy flu and monkeypox.

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Regarding Palmer's citation of the Wang-er paper: A lot of fancy crystallography jargon, yet no demonstration has been made of an isolated, purified, and sequenced 'Hep A Virus' throughout the paper.

Regarding the toxicity of the crystals Palmer dares us to consume, crystallography employs certain substances used in the preparation, purification, or crystallization process that could be hazardous if ingested, such as chemical reagents, heavy metals, cryoprotectants, and Ethidium Bromide.

In any case, there is no 'virus' to see here.

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Dear Meryl/Dr. Palmer,

Sanjoy Mahajan has given an excellent breakdown of the original Monkeypox paper. If he has got anything wrong please feel free to comment:

"I agree with you that the respective vaccines are poisons that should be avoided by anyone sane. However, how can one have reliable information about a disease when its so-called virus never been shown to exist?!

To see the problem, look at the original moneypox paper:

von Magnus et al. (1959). A pox-like disease in cynomolgus monkeys. Acta Pathologica Microbiologica Scandinavica 46(2):156--176.

https://sci-hub.ru/https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1699-0463.1959.tb00328.x

The so-called new disease was first noted in 1958 (and reported in 1959 in the paper above). A small fraction of monkeys came down with pox-like lesions 51 and 62 days after their arrival in the Danish Statens Seruminstitut. And these monkeys had been shipped there, 1000 of miles from home, to be used in polio-vaccine development.

Rather than attribute the disease, which anyway took around 2 months to develop,

- to the trauma of being kidnapped and transported across the world,

- to the living conditions in the Seruminstitute, or

- to the monkeys' being force injected with god knows what to develop polio vaccines,

the researchers conclude that these lesions must be due to a virus!

And then they "prove" it using the usual virology pseudoscience "isolation" of the "virus" by mixing samples with a witches brew of biological materials. It's a sad joke.

And, surprise, the first human "outbreak" was during a smallpox-vaccination campaign (in 1970 in the DRC). What a surprise that mass poisoning on a large scale -- with a vaccine known to cause death and disfigurement including pox-like lesions (and that "eradicates" smallpox through the magic trick of renaming the disease to other -poxes) -- will cause cases of pox-like lesions.

For the smallpox-vaccination connection and much else, see this excellent debunking of the whole moneypox fraud:

https://northerntracey213875959.wordpress.com/2022/05/26/everything-you-never-thought-youd-need-to-know-about-monkeypox/"

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I also always find it fascinating how the background and circumstances of such actions, such as the procurement of animals for research facilities, are swept under the carpet.

How are monkeys actually 'recruited for research'?

Is there a call for applications and interviews in the jungle, do you negotiate verbally with the future test subjects about their commitment?

Or are the monkeys captured with bait, family groups are torn apart, terror and fear are spread among the animals, they are anaesthetised with chemicals to sedate them and treated with all kinds of other anaesthetics and drugs before and during transport so that they do not introduce any 'unknown, dangerous zoonotic diseases' before they are used for deviant research? You'll never find out about this because anyone with even a single brain cell will immediately recognise where the cause of 'symptoms' lies. The whole thing is disgusting.

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It's analogous to the story of the Spanish invaders carrying smallpox and thereby killing the Indians, who allegedly had no immunity to this "Old World" disease. But, as I learnt from the excellent "Viral Delusion" documentary and from the Lesters' _What Really Makes You Ill_, that story is just apologia for the genocide.

After all, what's more likely to have killed the Indians? A disease caused by a virus never shown to exist, or mass displacement, enslavement, and murder (i.e., genocide)?

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Sanjoy, when you go to India you see a lot of pock-marked faces: people who survived smallpox. You did not learn from Suzanne Humphries that viruses don't exist.

And you separate two things that go togehter.

The best genocide is the genocide you can't be accused of: spreading viruses deliberately using blankets would have been written off as accidental had Bousquet and Sir Jeffrey Amherst not corresponded about it--and the correspondence is in the British Museum in London.

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And the animals were treated with all kinds of antibiotics while there -- probably some as a matter of course, because of the unsanitary conditions, and others because the "outbreaks."

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"Dr. Palmer, can you provide a purified isolated and characterized paper finding either of bird flu or monkey pox as a virus particle? Indirect and inferred virus detection via genomes from a computer, shadows of unknown provenance on EM, or cell-cultures known to find virus looking particles even without patient sample, are not virus finding."

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I remember those EM pictures, one virus looks like a moon lander and the coronas where there already too. And nowadays, the corona virus pictures even show colors. Too bad they're not real.

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If you don’t get any bites I’d still attend the zoom presentations. Getting out ahead of this BS is critical.

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Virologists claim there are 200 million viruses in every exhaled breath but can't isolate and purify a single one from someone’s spit. Hmmm! How did they come up with that number?

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Same as stay 6' apart. 🙄🤨

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Symbolism for eugenics predictive programming: 6 feet under. Where those sociopaths want the bulk of humanity.

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Our beloved Dr. Fauci (six masks be upon him) explained that already during a recent senate hearing. Numbers like that "appear". He does not make them up. Because of his stated fact that they "appear" there is NO need, want, reason, or justification to "make them up" so anyone accusing him (or virologists) of "making them up" has NO respect for Science and should be re-educated in an appropriate government facility.

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God Bless You & Your Efforts! One suggestion to getting the information out is to be interviewed: Mike Adams the Health Ranger, Go on the Joe Rohan Podcast…any Alternative Media platform. 🙏

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Anyone spreading the fake virus narrative is laying the foundations for the biosecurity state to establish its reign of terror.

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Meryl, and team,

You're gonna love this!! A scientist has followed the cell culture protocols viroliegists use to "prove" the existence of "viruses" by starving then poisoning cell linings not once but over 12 seperate experiments. These experiments demonstrate that you can produce CPEs (cytopathic effects) without adding snot to cell cultures but just by adding antibiotics. Check out the details here: https://dpl003.substack.com/p/control-experiment-an-update-by-jamie?utm_source=podcast-email&publication_id=1240559&post_id=145885871&utm_campaign=email-play-on-substack&utm_content=watch_now_button&r=15fzgp&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

Sit back and enjoy the pseudoscience of viroliegy!! Meryl, did you know in your 30 plus years of research experience that this was doable? Producing CPEs by poisoning cells with antibiotics - who would have thought?

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Imagine ‘fictional‘ whitecoats in a science crime thriller helping to birth new Scamdemics and keep the memories of past ones afloat by 'isolating‘ 'viruses‘ through starving then poisoning cell cultures with antibiotics to produce (cytopathic) cell breakdown effects. Its like a twisted a twisted cooking show where chefs compete against each other to burn complex dishes. The winner is awarded huge incentives to be the first to scream, “See!! A “virus“ charred my dish!!“

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Monkeypox?? Nah-ss!! MONKEY BUSINESS!!

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I agree with you that the respective vaccines are poisons that should be avoided by anyone sane. However, how can one have reliable information about a disease when its so-called virus never been shown to exist?!

To see the problem, look at the original moneypox paper:

von Magnus et al. (1959). A pox-like disease in cynomolgus monkeys. Acta Pathologica Microbiologica Scandinavica 46(2):156--176.

https://sci-hub.ru/https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1699-0463.1959.tb00328.x

The so-called new disease was first noted in 1958 (and reported in 1959 in the paper above). A small fraction of monkeys came down with pox-like lesions 51 and 62 days after their arrival in the Danish Statens Seruminstitut. And these monkeys had been shipped there, 1000 of miles from home, to be used in polio-vaccine development.

Rather than attribute the disease, which anyway took around 2 months to develop,

- to the trauma of being kidnapped and transported across the world,

- to the living conditions in the Seruminstitute, or

- to the monkeys' being force injected with god knows what to develop polio vaccines,

the researchers conclude that these lesions must be due to a virus!

And then they "prove" it using the usual virology pseudoscience "isolation" of the "virus" by mixing samples with a witches brew of biological materials. It's a sad joke.

And, surprise, the first human "outbreak" was during a smallpox-vaccination campaign (in 1970 in the DRC). What a surprise that mass poisoning on a large scale -- with a vaccine known to cause death and disfigurement including pox-like lesions (and that "eradicates" smallpox through the magic trick of renaming the disease to other -poxes) -- will cause cases of pox-like lesions.

For the smallpox-vaccination connection and much else, see this excellent debunking of the whole moneypox fraud:

https://northerntracey213875959.wordpress.com/2022/05/26/everything-you-never-thought-youd-need-to-know-about-monkeypox/

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On disease renaming as "eradication": https://viroliegy.com/2024/06/28/the-magic-trick/

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A treasure chest 🫅

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Hello, Ive posted your excellent breakdown of the original Monkey business, sorry Monkeypox paper for Meyl/Dr. Palmer to comment on as well as requests for paper on birdy flu. I think hell will freeze over before either of them are willing to cite a paper for birdy flu or monkey business/pox. 😃😃

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Where did you post it? On Meryl’s substack? My note began as a comment on Meryl’s bird-flu substack piece. However, as far as I can tell, neither she nor Palmer have commented on it there. But I am about to check (substack notifications are not fully reliable, I have found).

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If I haven't subscribed to your newsletter please send link. Cheers 🍻

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If you just click on my name in any of the replies, it should take you there. But I have neglected it (haven’t written a new article there for some time, to my chagrin — I keep getting involved in shorter tactical combats, which may be a bad choice).

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Brlliant breakdown of yet another brick in the fraudulent wall of viroliegy BS. Now, I know why Dr. Palmer is waffling on about fake tobacco mosaic ‘‘virus‘ in Meryls article about birdy flu and monkeypox. He can't cite any evidence other than the monkey businesses you deftly outlined.

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As always, thanks for all the endless effort and research! I’m trying to stay up to date on bird flu because this will be their next pandemic to push on us

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I am going to keep an eye on this news from you, Meryl and when the time is right, send it straight to all our Belgian newspapers who have been doing a lot of fear mongering to nudge us back towards vaccinations.

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I was going to watch RFK jr but they're cutting to the parasitic twin douchebags debating, and I"m not sure I wouldn't put my fist through my computer screen lol. Anyway, it seems like it depends on whom you are trying to reach, or whether you might like to reach different audiences, i.e. medical professionals and/or the public. For the public, I'd say Dark Horse with Bret Weinstein, although the very scientifically and medically literate watch him too,Neil Oliver at GB News, Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, maybe an FLCCC Wednesday webinar (that audience is public as well as professional). You might even try Jordan Peterson. He just interviewed the whistleblower in TX whom the Biden administration is targeting over secret trans surgeries and medicaid fraud. He interviewed Naomi Wolf also. He's got a huge audience and is currently doing a tour called We Who Wrestle with God. It just depends who you want to reach. I don't know what the venues are for medical professionals that you wouldn't have to bring up to speed on the terminology and concepts, but there must be some. You have a strong riveting story, after the medical board and Faust debacle, your history with anthrax vaccines, your fight with Door to Freedom stopping the WHO, but it depends who you want to reach.

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It's on already? Damn I'm missing it. I'm in BC, what time was it supposed to be on here?

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Every time I see a child in a mask,

I think:

“ Kid we’re doing everything we can for you. It’s your parents and their doctors that are killing you. “

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We are watching and communicating on our networks. Don’t feel alone. Keep the info coming

Steve Birkholz m.d.

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@Dr. Meryl - offer to do a zoom webinar on the subject to WCH and then all the material will be out, be seen by relevant people and be on record for the world to see and to use - yes/no?

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I am doing it with Bruce de Torres, an excellent interviewer who can stop me when it isn't clear -- which I think is the best way to present it.

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