RFK Jr has been my most trusted source on childhood vaccine safety since before COVID. I often defer to him or CHD rather than provide my own research on this topic. I REALLY trust his judgment. Could he be getting misled here? Consider the intelligence of RFK. If so, he'll figure it out. I also believe Trump is sincere in wanting to straighten out the epidemic of childhood disease. Is he being played too? The writer must think the Means are unusually clever.
One of the more discrediting statements the author made was:
" I used to believe that RFK Jr. shared a genuine passion for this agenda. Now I’m not so sure"
Considering what RFK has sacrificed for decades challenging the rich and powerful, and the personal hit he took to join Trump, I find this questioning his motives offensive.
Look at the people Trump is putting into office besides RFK Jr. You think these 2 can play off of them? Not buying it. If RFK Jr and the team nominated by Trump can't straighten it out, we're all screwed.
Here's a huge worry: in 2019, after Trump won the first time, Kennedy convinced him to hold an investigation into childhood vaccines. Not long after, Trump met with Gates (as he just did again a few days ago) and Trump decided after that meeting not to investigate vaccines. Did that happen again? With the sudden support of the country's billionaires, is Trump rejoining his class? Will he still be able to follow through on his campaign promises to his voters? We'll soon see. For what it's worth, I have trusted Kennedy on all his findings about vaccines, RoundUp, and all the rest. I am an enthusiastic reader of his books. But his interactions with Calley Means need a close look. We should never underestimate the ability of the Deep State and Big Pharma to control the narrative or to destroy those they deem a threat.
Believing that all this gross malfeasance is going to come to an abrupt halt in a short space of time, unfortunately, is simply being unrealistic. This current phase of evil and drive for totalitarianism began over 100 years ago. It has grown into a living, breathing culture involving multiple layers of actors, collectively being able to access virtually unlimited monetary resources - including our own tax dollars! Those resources are used to fund the capture of most governments across the world, their departments, local and global NGO's, educational, medical and military institutions and mainstream media. And I should add, as history reveals, established cultures are extremely difficult to change or extinguish.
The cabal's primary arsenal of weapons used in their assault upon our democracy and freedoms, include mind-control, reducing our cognitive capacity to think outside the box, constant fear, 'divide and conquer' and of course control over what we hear and what we say. We the people, have just 2 effective weapons. The courageous few who have stood staunchly against the cabal and continue to do so - and the growing numbers of citizens around the world who've been awakened, primarily due to the 'plandemic'. Of course our numbers will mean nothing if we allow ourselves to be divided and don't stand as one.
I think we need to be very careful when we begin questioning people's authenticity about who they might be and who they might not be. Particularly, when for all intents and purposes, they appear to be on the right side of the 'line in the sand'. I say give Trump and his team some space, if some of the players are working for the enemy, it won't take long before they're exposed. There's going to be many 'ebbs and flows' before this war is over - and never forget what our courageous 'front-liners' are up against, it's enormous...
There is always a certain energy I pick up when I see the blob trying to control the narrative; I do believe the Mean's are part of it. I love tucker, but I think he is part of it, maybe Joe Rogan (the eye in the center of his forehead is a clue). I dunno.... I wish we could just trust in some people, but too many are controlled by different means, but how the Means family came out with their message and became so popular so quickly is a clear indication. If people are shadow-banned, those typically are truth tellers. Not lackeys. ugh. It's so hard to discern sometimes. Thank you for sharing!
When I watched the Tucker-Means interview I kept thinking what is so special about these two for Tucker to literally gush over them. There are plenty of people in the holistic health space that have been speaking to the health, regenerative soil etc narrative for a very long time. The entire interview felt staged/phony to this holistic nutritionist. I'll stick with the people who have been speaking out long before 2020.
Exactly. All old info better articulated by the truly brave long before these two plopped on the scene. And as for Grady the father? Yikes. A totalitarian salesman. At best.
When I started reading this article, I was thinking of Robert Malone and AMD on the issue of movements tearing themselves up from within. I got into the Means backstory and agreed it raised questions — about them. But when I got to her final condemnation of RFKJr, it smacked of Malone's "purity spirals." It's very inexpensive on her part to assert what RFKJr should have done if he were "really" a warrior and not simply a politico bending to powerful influences. I just don't buy it.
If it turns out that in the long run he does nothing about COVID, she may have a case to a limited extent. But his fight has been with the corruption and capture, which spreads out far beyond COVID. Cutting off those roots cuts off the COVID panoply, like killing the fungal channels in forest soil that feeds trees will eventually kill the trees. If he ends up taking no good-faith action on those issues, Ms. Lerman will have had a point. But we are not there yet. He's not even in that role, and it almost seems that she is doing her best to see that he doesn't get there.
Well said Mr. Atlee. It seems entirely possible that folks we can trust can be corrupted, but lets give em a few at bats before we unceremoniously dump them.
Thank-you for sharing Deb's substack. Great research and analysis of the podcasts and conversation.
I don't like to be part of a firing squad either, but I do think it's important that we keep our eyes open and have discernment about who we're listening to and relying on. Like many, I had never heard of the Means until they popped up on Tucker's podcast. (And then my husband surprised me with her book).
I agree, the health info they share is very basic, nothing new that pioneers before them haven't already shared. However, they are so young (30s), perhaps it's new to them and they are just waking up to the power of nutrition, sleep, sunshine on their own health.
Or, perhaps it's something more sinister as Deb suggests and they have been falsely elevated and introduced to RFK Jr and Trump to help shut down any discussions and research into the c0v1d shots and all vaccines. Either way, my hope is in the Lord! So I'll continue to pray for President Trump and RFK Jr...
What I took away from Debbie's excellent research is the Means know how to use the political process and political connections combined with a "compelling" personal narrative to bring attention to themselves and advantage their multiple business interests. It's a crowded field. Nothing they are saying isn't already being said by many, many others.
I think Deb's right .....in a previous life , I sold high end cars .....I know a sales pitch when I see it .....and that Tucker Carlson interview was more than what you saw ...... fries and burgers and red cordial have never been mandated , but as for the " vaccine schedule " .... how much choice do you or your child have there ? Don't be distracted ..... Arron Siri and Del Bigtree are right .....the only " toxin" designed to mess with our immune system is .....a vaccine .....and the declining health of the west mirrors that schedule ....🤷♂️🦧🤷♂️🙏
Meryl you are better than this. Okay so the Means don't talk about vaccines. They DO talk convincingly about topics vital to the nation's health. We need all of it. Can we stop the circular firing squad? Can we stop cannibalizing our own? It's articles like this and authors like Deb Lerman who feed the interests of Big Pharma and Big Food - not the Means.
The fact that changing one's diet can eliminate diabetes proves that not ALL ill health is vaccine-related. The diet and food contribution to ill health is huge. Leave the Means alone and let them contribute to the cause as they do best.
Give me a break. I had patients reverse diabetes with diet 25 years ago. I produced 2 symposia on the attack on our food. Of course the issue is critical. But these two were never whistleblowers nor were they pioneers in this area. They have wrapped themselves in a mantle they do not deserve.
Bravo Meryl! You are absolutely correct - if dissenters aren’t smoked out The sheeple will continue to follow them. When Dr Bowden (who has paid her dues and was incredibly gracious) and Kruse pressed Means about stopping the vax - his response said it all - I believe in choice but more importantly, he said it (the vax) needs more study? WTRF - how many people must die or be injured before it is stopped AND now that the stats are officially skewed upwards for myo/pericarditis, deaths, etc from 2021, subsequent years’ high death rate won’t be unusual as the vax continues to kill. So be warned of wolves in sheep clothing aka the Means, chaos agents.
They may not have been the first to the party but they are articulate, great communicators. Calley Means' interview with Tucker Carlson was the number one most shared podcast last year. What does that mean? That a huge number of people got the message about nutrition, big food, big pharma, and health. I fail to see how that's a bad thing, or how that makes them evil.
Who's "our"? They're not mine. Sorrynotsorry, but blindly accepting the proffered experts that we're expected to accept is not good enough. People who've awakened to how we're being herded by approved narratives should be better than this.
I'd never heard of these people until recently and I've been following these health related angles for about 25 years. There was something kind of bizarre about their sudden explosion onto the scene and I had to wonder, if these people are so famous in these circles, why had I not heard of them? Not to worry: if they've got something valid to add, I'll welcome them.
So I looked at their own site and information and it was some of the most vanilla, mediocre, entry-level garden variety information that should be second nature by now; certainly not revolutionary nor revelatory. And if I remember correctly, isn't Callie Means still recommending statins? If there's one litmus test for a physician who is either not clued in or is an outright freedom fraud, it's one who still recommends that garbage.
IMO: they're a limited hang out that has been developed to be used to drive us down the approved paths and away from what "our" quest is really for: true health information by people who want to be free to make truly informed choices.
Exactly. For about 2 weeks, I signed up to receive her emails. She's nuts. She recommends drum circles and other New Age nonsense that sounds like an echo from the 1990s. Yes, they are a limited hangout whose only message is stuff we've already heard and known about.
If you listen, they are not articulate at all! Calley changes topics mid-sentence and he speaks so rapidly, you cannot follow him from one sentence to the next. He jumps from subject to subject. It's annoying at best, but I suspect it is signaling something else: he's lousy at memorizing his scripts.
Precisely. I really don't care who gets the credit. And Malone addressed that very point recently after that Bowden/Kruse pile-on. I care about getting the truth, no matter where it comes from. “There is no limit to the amount of good you can do if you don't care who gets the credit.”
And when it comes to the numbers, given the chronic disease rates (particularly obesity, diabetes, and other metabolic disorders), I think vaccine damage has a worthy competitor. The battle the Means are fighting is just as worthy and maybe even more so than spreading the truth about vaccines.
*Both* are important.
A man most here probably respect, Jay Bhattacharya, if he makes it through the Senate confirmation process, will soon be head of the NIH. He believes (or did at least last year) that the clotshots saved millions of lives. I'm okay with that given his boss (RFK, Jr., who also has to make it through) and what the commitments they've made will do. Transparency. Funding of actual safety studies. Do those two things and you won't *have* to ban mRNA. There will be no market left for them.
I don't care that the Means aren't part of the movement to expose the truth about vaccines. But I will be majorly pissed off it that movement eats alive another important movement: food safety.
Being “articulate, great communicators” just proves the point. People can say all the right words and phrases and people will flock to them. Prepare now to believe the person that promises “peace and safety.” That isn’t going to end well for so many.
I agree with both of you. If the right message is being spread and any means, yes pun, why not. Whether the Means are coming across as saviours is irrelevant but something to keep an eye on should they start steering people one way or another. If they help people be informed about nutrition, and it’s the right message, not sure the problem atm. A caveat though is I’m basing my comment on a Means interview with Joe Rogan I say over a year ago. They were saying all the right things then and not sure what has transpired since. Someone in the comments said they were disparaging RFK?
Since we've known about the connection between diet and illness for years now and there have been people who have been speaking out about it (Dr. Ken Berry, for one), and since the Medical Freedom movement grew out of the covid and vaccine lies, where were the Means? Why didn't they have something to say when it first mattered? And, mind you, Calley was directly asked on a podcast if he thought the mRNA shots should be pulled from the market and all he would say (after repeated requests) was that they should not be mandated. That was not what he was being asked. Why would he refuse to call for an end to them and why will he not speak about their dangers? Those shots are still killing people.
How did the article “feed the interest of big pharma and big food?” Dean, you are heading down a very dangerous path when you blindly believe what anyone says as long as they sound good.
I have NEVER trusted these folks! The way they magically appeared on the scene and are *cashing in* on "MAHA" instantly made me suspicious. Sure, they're saying some good things, but that's about it. Where were these people 5 years ago? Where were they 10 years ago? I tend to only trust (but I still try and stay objective) people like Dr Nass, Tenpenny, and others who have been speaking out for years and decades. Those who may make a bit of money with their activism, but would still do it even if they never made a dime.
Thanks for cross posting Lerman. I saw Calley at the CHD rave in Greenwich Village in December. Sad to say, I agree with every assessment made in the article. It is a most disconcerting development to witness an organization whose leadership I admire and respect now embrace a blatant sham like Means. Indeed it feels very similar to the disappointment I felt when RFKJ withdrew his candidacy and threw in with the soon to be inaugurated Shaman in Chief.
Frankly, I fail to understand the fascination with the Means. I watched Tucker's interviewing them, basically, the message was, "shop @ local farm markets, eat organic, don't take pharma drugs for what can be fixed with diet/life style changes" duh. I didn't buy the book, I looked at her website, selling pretty much everything and the kitchen sink. But I was totally appalled by Dr. Kruse & Dr. Bowden's interview of Calley, especially when Dr. Kruse used Calley's mother's autopsy report trying to trap Calley on his "motivations." Dr. Bowden didn't stop this horrendous public violation of this man's privacy for the sake of... an argument! And yes, I know that in many states autopsy reports are public, still, it was totally inappropriate to club this man with his own mother's autopsy results to win an argument! It was my first and last "experience" with Dr. Kruse's interviewing "style." But Dr. Bowden seriously dropped in my eyes, since this entire debate was about violation of our rights/bodies/careers with mandatory Covid-19 vaccines, and she just let this shit happen during the interview to promote own agenda (which btw I totally agree with), I just detest Dr. Bowden's methods.
Wow, very ambitious siblings, which is fine, but there is a conflict of interest if Casey is pushing metabolic dysfunction due to a toxic environment as the fundamental cause of illness, while selling treatment for metabolic dysfunction. Plus, she's wrong by virtue of omission. Sam Bailey and her followers don't believe that SarsCoV2 was a problem because viruses and contagion according to their belief system don't exist. GoF SarsCoV2 has caused a lot of harm, and the experimental mRNA shots have caused even more harm. The 'shots' and the dangers of GoF experiments when not included result in a lopsided representation. These siblings are entrepreneurs, and they are orchestrating events to align with their goals, and it is working it seems. I am in agreement with their criticisms of the current medical system. It seems RFK Jr. is straddling two horses, leaning more toward one. He may be able to move more toward balance once he is actually in a position of power. Politics is a tricky game. We have two issues, toxic drugs, the assault on health with food toxins, air pollution etc....The other issue is our natural right of personal sovereignty in many areas, especially in what we choose to allow into our bodies. The rights elucidated in the Nuremburg code. Calley must have made good connections while in the White House and has behind the scenes information which he could use to his advantage. We will see what pans out in the next year.
Thank you, Dr. Nass for posting this. My vibe-meter went off when I listened to the Carlson interview. My VM is never , ever wrong. There are many people being conned today into believing false actors and expecting a Utopia to begin Tuesday. They have no idea of how dangerous this all is.
Thank You Dr. Nass for featuring Debbie Lerman’s articles. Her research uncovered enough discrepancies, questions, and anomalies relating to the Means to open very important points of reference and discernment of their agenda.
RFK Jr has been my most trusted source on childhood vaccine safety since before COVID. I often defer to him or CHD rather than provide my own research on this topic. I REALLY trust his judgment. Could he be getting misled here? Consider the intelligence of RFK. If so, he'll figure it out. I also believe Trump is sincere in wanting to straighten out the epidemic of childhood disease. Is he being played too? The writer must think the Means are unusually clever.
One of the more discrediting statements the author made was:
" I used to believe that RFK Jr. shared a genuine passion for this agenda. Now I’m not so sure"
Considering what RFK has sacrificed for decades challenging the rich and powerful, and the personal hit he took to join Trump, I find this questioning his motives offensive.
Look at the people Trump is putting into office besides RFK Jr. You think these 2 can play off of them? Not buying it. If RFK Jr and the team nominated by Trump can't straighten it out, we're all screwed.
Here's a huge worry: in 2019, after Trump won the first time, Kennedy convinced him to hold an investigation into childhood vaccines. Not long after, Trump met with Gates (as he just did again a few days ago) and Trump decided after that meeting not to investigate vaccines. Did that happen again? With the sudden support of the country's billionaires, is Trump rejoining his class? Will he still be able to follow through on his campaign promises to his voters? We'll soon see. For what it's worth, I have trusted Kennedy on all his findings about vaccines, RoundUp, and all the rest. I am an enthusiastic reader of his books. But his interactions with Calley Means need a close look. We should never underestimate the ability of the Deep State and Big Pharma to control the narrative or to destroy those they deem a threat.
Believing that all this gross malfeasance is going to come to an abrupt halt in a short space of time, unfortunately, is simply being unrealistic. This current phase of evil and drive for totalitarianism began over 100 years ago. It has grown into a living, breathing culture involving multiple layers of actors, collectively being able to access virtually unlimited monetary resources - including our own tax dollars! Those resources are used to fund the capture of most governments across the world, their departments, local and global NGO's, educational, medical and military institutions and mainstream media. And I should add, as history reveals, established cultures are extremely difficult to change or extinguish.
The cabal's primary arsenal of weapons used in their assault upon our democracy and freedoms, include mind-control, reducing our cognitive capacity to think outside the box, constant fear, 'divide and conquer' and of course control over what we hear and what we say. We the people, have just 2 effective weapons. The courageous few who have stood staunchly against the cabal and continue to do so - and the growing numbers of citizens around the world who've been awakened, primarily due to the 'plandemic'. Of course our numbers will mean nothing if we allow ourselves to be divided and don't stand as one.
I think we need to be very careful when we begin questioning people's authenticity about who they might be and who they might not be. Particularly, when for all intents and purposes, they appear to be on the right side of the 'line in the sand'. I say give Trump and his team some space, if some of the players are working for the enemy, it won't take long before they're exposed. There's going to be many 'ebbs and flows' before this war is over - and never forget what our courageous 'front-liners' are up against, it's enormous...
The problem is that Trump thinks in terms of money and power. He admires and trusts big business leaders and generals.
I hear you FarmCountry
Sayanim are liberally placed in many blogs and substacks. Easy to differentiate, though. Blatant, obnoxious, self perceived as clever.
There is always a certain energy I pick up when I see the blob trying to control the narrative; I do believe the Mean's are part of it. I love tucker, but I think he is part of it, maybe Joe Rogan (the eye in the center of his forehead is a clue). I dunno.... I wish we could just trust in some people, but too many are controlled by different means, but how the Means family came out with their message and became so popular so quickly is a clear indication. If people are shadow-banned, those typically are truth tellers. Not lackeys. ugh. It's so hard to discern sometimes. Thank you for sharing!
Completely agree. I look up the Means glucose device in pure curiosity. When I saw the price, I said no way.
With shots of all kinds, I say JUST SAY NEVER!
When I watched the Tucker-Means interview I kept thinking what is so special about these two for Tucker to literally gush over them. There are plenty of people in the holistic health space that have been speaking to the health, regenerative soil etc narrative for a very long time. The entire interview felt staged/phony to this holistic nutritionist. I'll stick with the people who have been speaking out long before 2020.
Exactly. All old info better articulated by the truly brave long before these two plopped on the scene. And as for Grady the father? Yikes. A totalitarian salesman. At best.
Actually, the Means' book was already #1 on Amazon! THAT is one OBVIOUS reason that Tucker (or anyone) would GUSH.
C'mon, why do some people seem to become paranoid and conspiracy-hunting??
When I started reading this article, I was thinking of Robert Malone and AMD on the issue of movements tearing themselves up from within. I got into the Means backstory and agreed it raised questions — about them. But when I got to her final condemnation of RFKJr, it smacked of Malone's "purity spirals." It's very inexpensive on her part to assert what RFKJr should have done if he were "really" a warrior and not simply a politico bending to powerful influences. I just don't buy it.
If it turns out that in the long run he does nothing about COVID, she may have a case to a limited extent. But his fight has been with the corruption and capture, which spreads out far beyond COVID. Cutting off those roots cuts off the COVID panoply, like killing the fungal channels in forest soil that feeds trees will eventually kill the trees. If he ends up taking no good-faith action on those issues, Ms. Lerman will have had a point. But we are not there yet. He's not even in that role, and it almost seems that she is doing her best to see that he doesn't get there.
Well said Mr. Atlee. It seems entirely possible that folks we can trust can be corrupted, but lets give em a few at bats before we unceremoniously dump them.
And if those 'bats' don't carry a certain virus! (love puns) e.g. We assert the right not to BARE arms.
After the last few years of craziness I'm not sure I would take a shot from the same vile that RFK had one from, or vial!
I agree. And her conclusion sounds like sour grapes.
Thank-you for sharing Deb's substack. Great research and analysis of the podcasts and conversation.
I don't like to be part of a firing squad either, but I do think it's important that we keep our eyes open and have discernment about who we're listening to and relying on. Like many, I had never heard of the Means until they popped up on Tucker's podcast. (And then my husband surprised me with her book).
I agree, the health info they share is very basic, nothing new that pioneers before them haven't already shared. However, they are so young (30s), perhaps it's new to them and they are just waking up to the power of nutrition, sleep, sunshine on their own health.
Or, perhaps it's something more sinister as Deb suggests and they have been falsely elevated and introduced to RFK Jr and Trump to help shut down any discussions and research into the c0v1d shots and all vaccines. Either way, my hope is in the Lord! So I'll continue to pray for President Trump and RFK Jr...
What I took away from Debbie's excellent research is the Means know how to use the political process and political connections combined with a "compelling" personal narrative to bring attention to themselves and advantage their multiple business interests. It's a crowded field. Nothing they are saying isn't already being said by many, many others.
They look and speak like smooth talking Barbie and Ken pharmaceutical sales reps…
Interesting get together with Calley Means and Dr. Jack Kruse. I don’t trust Means. He comes off as a textbook politician.
https://youtu.be/gXjj2EoElFg?feature=shared
I think Deb's right .....in a previous life , I sold high end cars .....I know a sales pitch when I see it .....and that Tucker Carlson interview was more than what you saw ...... fries and burgers and red cordial have never been mandated , but as for the " vaccine schedule " .... how much choice do you or your child have there ? Don't be distracted ..... Arron Siri and Del Bigtree are right .....the only " toxin" designed to mess with our immune system is .....a vaccine .....and the declining health of the west mirrors that schedule ....🤷♂️🦧🤷♂️🙏
Meryl you are better than this. Okay so the Means don't talk about vaccines. They DO talk convincingly about topics vital to the nation's health. We need all of it. Can we stop the circular firing squad? Can we stop cannibalizing our own? It's articles like this and authors like Deb Lerman who feed the interests of Big Pharma and Big Food - not the Means.
The fact that changing one's diet can eliminate diabetes proves that not ALL ill health is vaccine-related. The diet and food contribution to ill health is huge. Leave the Means alone and let them contribute to the cause as they do best.
Give me a break. I had patients reverse diabetes with diet 25 years ago. I produced 2 symposia on the attack on our food. Of course the issue is critical. But these two were never whistleblowers nor were they pioneers in this area. They have wrapped themselves in a mantle they do not deserve.
Bravo Meryl! You are absolutely correct - if dissenters aren’t smoked out The sheeple will continue to follow them. When Dr Bowden (who has paid her dues and was incredibly gracious) and Kruse pressed Means about stopping the vax - his response said it all - I believe in choice but more importantly, he said it (the vax) needs more study? WTRF - how many people must die or be injured before it is stopped AND now that the stats are officially skewed upwards for myo/pericarditis, deaths, etc from 2021, subsequent years’ high death rate won’t be unusual as the vax continues to kill. So be warned of wolves in sheep clothing aka the Means, chaos agents.
They may not have been the first to the party but they are articulate, great communicators. Calley Means' interview with Tucker Carlson was the number one most shared podcast last year. What does that mean? That a huge number of people got the message about nutrition, big food, big pharma, and health. I fail to see how that's a bad thing, or how that makes them evil.
"Can we stop cannibalizing our own?"
Who's "our"? They're not mine. Sorrynotsorry, but blindly accepting the proffered experts that we're expected to accept is not good enough. People who've awakened to how we're being herded by approved narratives should be better than this.
I'd never heard of these people until recently and I've been following these health related angles for about 25 years. There was something kind of bizarre about their sudden explosion onto the scene and I had to wonder, if these people are so famous in these circles, why had I not heard of them? Not to worry: if they've got something valid to add, I'll welcome them.
So I looked at their own site and information and it was some of the most vanilla, mediocre, entry-level garden variety information that should be second nature by now; certainly not revolutionary nor revelatory. And if I remember correctly, isn't Callie Means still recommending statins? If there's one litmus test for a physician who is either not clued in or is an outright freedom fraud, it's one who still recommends that garbage.
IMO: they're a limited hang out that has been developed to be used to drive us down the approved paths and away from what "our" quest is really for: true health information by people who want to be free to make truly informed choices.
Exactly. For about 2 weeks, I signed up to receive her emails. She's nuts. She recommends drum circles and other New Age nonsense that sounds like an echo from the 1990s. Yes, they are a limited hangout whose only message is stuff we've already heard and known about.
If you listen, they are not articulate at all! Calley changes topics mid-sentence and he speaks so rapidly, you cannot follow him from one sentence to the next. He jumps from subject to subject. It's annoying at best, but I suspect it is signaling something else: he's lousy at memorizing his scripts.
Precisely. I really don't care who gets the credit. And Malone addressed that very point recently after that Bowden/Kruse pile-on. I care about getting the truth, no matter where it comes from. “There is no limit to the amount of good you can do if you don't care who gets the credit.”
And when it comes to the numbers, given the chronic disease rates (particularly obesity, diabetes, and other metabolic disorders), I think vaccine damage has a worthy competitor. The battle the Means are fighting is just as worthy and maybe even more so than spreading the truth about vaccines.
*Both* are important.
A man most here probably respect, Jay Bhattacharya, if he makes it through the Senate confirmation process, will soon be head of the NIH. He believes (or did at least last year) that the clotshots saved millions of lives. I'm okay with that given his boss (RFK, Jr., who also has to make it through) and what the commitments they've made will do. Transparency. Funding of actual safety studies. Do those two things and you won't *have* to ban mRNA. There will be no market left for them.
I don't care that the Means aren't part of the movement to expose the truth about vaccines. But I will be majorly pissed off it that movement eats alive another important movement: food safety.
Being “articulate, great communicators” just proves the point. People can say all the right words and phrases and people will flock to them. Prepare now to believe the person that promises “peace and safety.” That isn’t going to end well for so many.
I agree with both of you. If the right message is being spread and any means, yes pun, why not. Whether the Means are coming across as saviours is irrelevant but something to keep an eye on should they start steering people one way or another. If they help people be informed about nutrition, and it’s the right message, not sure the problem atm. A caveat though is I’m basing my comment on a Means interview with Joe Rogan I say over a year ago. They were saying all the right things then and not sure what has transpired since. Someone in the comments said they were disparaging RFK?
Since we've known about the connection between diet and illness for years now and there have been people who have been speaking out about it (Dr. Ken Berry, for one), and since the Medical Freedom movement grew out of the covid and vaccine lies, where were the Means? Why didn't they have something to say when it first mattered? And, mind you, Calley was directly asked on a podcast if he thought the mRNA shots should be pulled from the market and all he would say (after repeated requests) was that they should not be mandated. That was not what he was being asked. Why would he refuse to call for an end to them and why will he not speak about their dangers? Those shots are still killing people.
How did the article “feed the interest of big pharma and big food?” Dean, you are heading down a very dangerous path when you blindly believe what anyone says as long as they sound good.
I have NEVER trusted these folks! The way they magically appeared on the scene and are *cashing in* on "MAHA" instantly made me suspicious. Sure, they're saying some good things, but that's about it. Where were these people 5 years ago? Where were they 10 years ago? I tend to only trust (but I still try and stay objective) people like Dr Nass, Tenpenny, and others who have been speaking out for years and decades. Those who may make a bit of money with their activism, but would still do it even if they never made a dime.
Thanks for cross posting Lerman. I saw Calley at the CHD rave in Greenwich Village in December. Sad to say, I agree with every assessment made in the article. It is a most disconcerting development to witness an organization whose leadership I admire and respect now embrace a blatant sham like Means. Indeed it feels very similar to the disappointment I felt when RFKJ withdrew his candidacy and threw in with the soon to be inaugurated Shaman in Chief.
Frankly, I fail to understand the fascination with the Means. I watched Tucker's interviewing them, basically, the message was, "shop @ local farm markets, eat organic, don't take pharma drugs for what can be fixed with diet/life style changes" duh. I didn't buy the book, I looked at her website, selling pretty much everything and the kitchen sink. But I was totally appalled by Dr. Kruse & Dr. Bowden's interview of Calley, especially when Dr. Kruse used Calley's mother's autopsy report trying to trap Calley on his "motivations." Dr. Bowden didn't stop this horrendous public violation of this man's privacy for the sake of... an argument! And yes, I know that in many states autopsy reports are public, still, it was totally inappropriate to club this man with his own mother's autopsy results to win an argument! It was my first and last "experience" with Dr. Kruse's interviewing "style." But Dr. Bowden seriously dropped in my eyes, since this entire debate was about violation of our rights/bodies/careers with mandatory Covid-19 vaccines, and she just let this shit happen during the interview to promote own agenda (which btw I totally agree with), I just detest Dr. Bowden's methods.
Wow, very ambitious siblings, which is fine, but there is a conflict of interest if Casey is pushing metabolic dysfunction due to a toxic environment as the fundamental cause of illness, while selling treatment for metabolic dysfunction. Plus, she's wrong by virtue of omission. Sam Bailey and her followers don't believe that SarsCoV2 was a problem because viruses and contagion according to their belief system don't exist. GoF SarsCoV2 has caused a lot of harm, and the experimental mRNA shots have caused even more harm. The 'shots' and the dangers of GoF experiments when not included result in a lopsided representation. These siblings are entrepreneurs, and they are orchestrating events to align with their goals, and it is working it seems. I am in agreement with their criticisms of the current medical system. It seems RFK Jr. is straddling two horses, leaning more toward one. He may be able to move more toward balance once he is actually in a position of power. Politics is a tricky game. We have two issues, toxic drugs, the assault on health with food toxins, air pollution etc....The other issue is our natural right of personal sovereignty in many areas, especially in what we choose to allow into our bodies. The rights elucidated in the Nuremburg code. Calley must have made good connections while in the White House and has behind the scenes information which he could use to his advantage. We will see what pans out in the next year.
Thank you, Dr. Nass for posting this. My vibe-meter went off when I listened to the Carlson interview. My VM is never , ever wrong. There are many people being conned today into believing false actors and expecting a Utopia to begin Tuesday. They have no idea of how dangerous this all is.
Thank You Dr. Nass for featuring Debbie Lerman’s articles. Her research uncovered enough discrepancies, questions, and anomalies relating to the Means to open very important points of reference and discernment of their agenda.